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Ring of Fires Farron Cousins discusses how Hillary Clinton has a major problem attracting voters under the age of 35.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)which is a fraud: Hillary over all has more young peoples votes
than Sanders: young people that are not white have voted
in great numbers for Hillary.
Hillary tells the truth the Senate may vote for more affordable college
in a budget: but unless the Dem take the house there will be no
free college.
mountain grammy
(26,568 posts)he puts forth good policies that are completely realistic if we elect people who will work for the people.
Let me say that again, Bernie Sanders promises nothing. Show me one speech or statement where he promises anything other than he will work for the people.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Sanders has not turned out more Dems": he has turned
out young people wanting free college.
mountain grammy
(26,568 posts)are you not concerned? I'm sorry you're not paying attention.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)anothergreenbus
(110 posts)If you let the DNC do its thing, the votes go down. I wonder why?
mountain grammy
(26,568 posts)and in caucus states, turnout was huge.. long lines in Colorado, Bernie won big.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)u said a mouthful with that!
mountain grammy
(26,568 posts)but endless war.. count on that!
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)when it was HRC was President and waging endless war. Only a President can wage war. More Right wing attacks.
mountain grammy
(26,568 posts)She's a hawk. If you support her, own it! Stand up for her. Defend her. I see Hillary with a foreign policy based on aggression and interference. Why on earth would the right wing attack her on this.. those are their policies too.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)mountain grammy
(26,568 posts)administration the OK to go to war. Me, sitting at home, knew the Bush administration was lying.. but not Hillary! I would rather not have someone with such bad judgement as Commander in Chief.
anothergreenbus
(110 posts)Hillary promises cash on the barrelhead. No bribe left behind.
mountain grammy
(26,568 posts)in the pocket of Wall Street, she is.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Sanders "free college" is not a fraud. He has shown how he intends to pay for it. You can go to his website and read about it.
I think you are likely right about Senate and Congress.
Perogie
(687 posts)many colleges used to be free in this country.
but if you want to sound like a Republican go right ahead. Dems promise free stuff, Dems promise free stuff.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Perogie
(687 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Well except the subject line of course.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)And by the way, millenial females also back Sanders. Overwhelmingly too.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)jalan48
(13,797 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)This younger generation has a very accurate bullshit detection ability. That's why they're rejecting religion, too.
jalan48
(13,797 posts)anothergreenbus
(110 posts)Thank you for your passion, energy and smarts.
And thanks for not watching TeeVee.
The digitally networked youth are actually informed--not propagandized.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Not only would I be young and shiny, I'd fit in better with my peers. I was never good with the Reagan Youth I had to go to school with in the 80s.
anothergreenbus
(110 posts)Time flys when you're embroiled in politics.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)It's hard to believe she's ahead by over 300 delegates and millions of votes.
Crabby Abbey
(66 posts)now that they know what their actual options were!
Go Bernie!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the real problems of today. When this all started some months ago - my daughter and her union husband were going to vote for Hillary. When I asked her why she said, "because the economy was really good when they were in office." She was not thinking about the roll Bill's administration played in the downfall since then.
When I asked about the dirty tricks she said, "that's politics." As if it is okay to win by stuffing a card up your sleeve.
It was when I started talking about the problems of her children and my great grandchildren that they realized that Bernie was the answer to today.
I think Hillary has the same problem they had. Still thinking that the politics we have practiced since 1980 is going to get us ahead. Because it did get her and Bill ahead - but we cannot all gives speeches to Goldman-Sacs. Nor does it effect her daughter and her grandchild. They also have earned their money in the same way Hillary and Bill did. She just does not see the problem.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Are you mad at Obama for the Republican Congress?
Looks to me like that's the problem right there.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
Crabby Abbey
(66 posts)Bush was horrible but Clinton did not have his hands clean either.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)yourout
(7,520 posts)His signature is on many things that enabled Bush to do his damage.
anothergreenbus
(110 posts)Hillary is paid not to worry about tomorrow. Isn't that the Clinton's theme song?
polly7
(20,582 posts)They see and know first-hand what issues make them concerned and even afraid for and are not being addressed. They also have a much better grasp on what's happening not just for them, but for the world with the internet to search and decide what is truth to them.
They don't depend on Fox News or any other of the MSM to dictate how and what they should know.
I hope so much all those millions attending the rallies, volunteering and dreaming of a better future with Sanders get their wish and can see a more hopeful future than is offered with more of the same. This isn't just in the U.S., it's all over the world - young people are finally realizing they have voices and need to use them. This planet cannot survive without huge changes right now.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I have a 30 year old niece who is a Hillary fan, and I'm very disappointed in her. I honestly think she's simply caught up in the giddy prospect of a woman President without looking at what Hillary's real accomplishments have been.
Bernie got more delegates yesterday than Hillary did. And upcoming primaries and caucuses favor Bernie.
I am genuinely depressed at the prospect of a Hillary Presidency. Her supporters will simply never understand how much damage she will do.
And DON"T even bother to say Well at least she's better than Trump or Cruz. It's sort of like asking someone if they'd rather be boiled in oil or burned at the stake. Both very unpleasant, both kill you.
Tragl1
(104 posts)Vietnam, Segregation, Iraq War, in general the youth tend to be on the right side morally in history. So...yeah.
GO BERNIE!
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)We won one whole state with that youth vote thing!
Tragl1
(104 posts)This isn't 1972, besides are you saying the youth's anti-Vietnam War Movement was wrong? Bernie stomps Trump in polling, Hillary's unfavorable ratings are astronomical and just growing, so...I think you missed my point but maybe you will catch my second one.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)have been steady and the attacks are all too familiar. Bernie's unfavorability ratings would shoot up if he were in the general and the Rethugs were aiming their attacks at him. There's plenty of crap they could throw at him.
Either one of them can defeat Trump, but Hillary would be the better President, as she showed once again in her speech at Stanford about ISIS.
Tragl1
(104 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)People do not like or trust her. I don't understand the obstinence about this. It's not propaganda...it's her.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)I like Hillary a lot. I think the attacks have been unfair since the very beginning, when she was excoriated for saying that she wanted to do serious work as First Lady, not just bake cookies.
And then she was accused of killing Vince Foster and on and on and on to Benghazi, and the ridiculous email kerfuffle.
Hillary is a serious person, highly dedicated and experienced and -- yes -- driven, and keeps going no matter what the haters throw at her. And I admire her for that and so do millions of other supporters.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)You are foolish enough to believe people do not know the difference? How stupid are you?
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)anothergreenbus
(110 posts)Where were you? Chanting USA! USA! ?
What is wrong with you? Do you have any sense of morality or obligation to other human beings?
Here is some reading on Clinton's callous indifference to the lives of other human beings. I'm sure it will only reinforce your idolization of her:
Honduras:
As Greg Grandin recently noted in the Nation, Zelayas ouster paved the way for an all-out assault on these decent peopletorture, murder, militarization of the countryside, repressive laws, such as the absolute ban on the morning-after pill, the rise of paramilitary security forces, and the wholesale deliverance of the countrys land and resources to transnational pillagers.
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslatinamericaforeignpolicy.html
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/09/24/hillary-clinton-emails-and-honduras-coup
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/18/hillary_must_answer_for_honduras_partner/
http://www.thenation.com/article/as-the-united-states-votes-honduras-kills/
Libya:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/08/politics/hillary-clinton-libya-election-2016/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/libya-isis-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/07/hillary-libya-nato-qaddafi-obama/
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)George McGovern lost by 49 states.
But, compared to most of the protesters, Hillary got more done working as a lawyer with the Children's Defense fund. I admire her for her steady, persistent work trying to make the world a better place, one step at a time.
anothergreenbus
(110 posts)Ending the Vietnam war was less significant than Hillary's Children's Defense Fund?
"Hillary, as First Lady, advocated strongly for the restructuring of welfare. Her former co-workers at CDF, on the other hand, were infuriated. CDF founder and President Marian Wright Edelman declared that President Clintons signature on this pernicious bill makes a mockery of his pledge not to hurt children.
Hillary Clinton is an old friend, but they are not friends in politics, the CDF president told Democracy Now in a 2007 interview. At the time, CDF profoundly disagreed with the forms of the welfare reform bill, and we said so, Marian Wright Edelman explained."
Isn't if funny that every claim by Hillary Clinton supporters can be revealed as a falsehood with two minutes of Googling?
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)McGovern would have made a better President than Nixon?
You really think a vote for McGovern was a wasted vote, wow, it takes all kinds. I think many of us knew at the time and most of us now know that those voting for Nixon made the mistake not those voting for McGovern.
As a poster up thread said, history has proven the youth right every time. I am proud to have been one of them against the war in the '60s. I was against the first invasion of Iraq and also knew that there were no WMD's in Iraq the second time when we again invaded an innocent Country.
It will never cease to amaze me how some will not vote for the best candidate and wonder why we get crap for Presidents.
But what the hell, an opportunity to bash liberals can't be wasted can it?
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)And if they don't vote at all, that's not unusual. Their participation rate is usually low compared to older age groups.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)The Clinton brand always led with selling an ideal rather than selling ideology, but that ideal of the perfect, accomplished Boomer woman slash power-couple resonates about as strongly with young people as an Oldsmobile Alero.
Larry David ranting and sweating through his shirt isn't going to solve their problems, but they don't feel like they're sitting at the kids table.
astrophuss42
(290 posts)Texano78704
(309 posts)Minority voters continue to reject Bernie.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)Bernie, only a year. Better to vote for the devil you know.
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Texano78704
(309 posts)It has to be because of their ignorance.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)The MSM have done very little to promote Bernie. His rallys are barely mentioned and even when he wins a state, you have to go look for the results, instead of hitting you in the face with the headlines. The vast majority of people do not have the time or energy to keep up with politics, they are treading water as fast as they can to keep their heads above water, rather than read up on politics.
It used to be that you could sit down at 6 o'clock and get the local news and at 6:30 get the world news and it would all be truthful and informative. It is not that way any more. You can't even get the real news from newspapers any more. So unless you have time to did into the Internet and spend hours finding the most accurate news, you will go with what you know, rather than what you have to study up on. This is the same reason ineffective representatives keep getting elected all the time.
Z
It's "indeliberate ignorance," that only minorities experience?
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)I don't know what portion of young voters supports Clinton over Sanders or Sanders over Clinton or what their race, background, religion, gender, or anything else is... but for me, it's not about a young person wanting "free college".
It's about a young person wanting a chance, just a chance, to make it in today's economy. A system of higher education - and healthcare, funded by the public, would go a long way towards making that chance a reality. It's not "free stuff", it's an investment. If you invest in this Nations young people through progressive taxation to support a higher education system funded by the public... you will get an unbelievable return. Every dollar that goes into TANF, or EBT, or other social programs have demonstrated this, over and over and over again - that money goes back into the economy.
That education, funded by the public, will then continue to be funded by college grads, by people who have better jobs, higher wages - and ultimately, better lives, without the stagnation and brutality of vicious poverty.
That's why I support Bernie Sanders. I know we can't accomplish those progressive changes without a struggle, without a fight, without one hell of an uphill battle... but when has it ever been otherwise? In regards to civil rights, to medicare, medicaid, to anything that people wanted - and fought for... and won? These things didn't just appear overnight, they were fought for - and fought for hard.
There is a lot of talk from some democrats and most republicans about "entitlements", about how we need to cut so called "entitlement" spending... things that the American tax payer has been paying for - and benefiting from - for many, many years. Not free stuff, but some good policies and programs that support the majority of Americans.
I hope that Clinton will support these things as well - and recent examples of her speeches and policies indicates that she will - though perhaps not as strongly, not as ideally, as Mr. Sanders.
A suggestion to everyone in this thread: millenials do not deserve your contempt. Their race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and socio-economic backgrounds are irrelevant in regards to many issues - particularly those which benefit all Americans. Even a whole lot of Clinton supporters want to have a higher education system and universal healthcare system funded by the public.
As a millenial currently buried under student debt, who has spent years working in the service industry for dirt wages, without health insurance and without many, many other things... I resent the notion that I am some spoiled brat demanding free stuff. No, I've already worked for it and been taxed for it, I've already suffered for it. I'll be glad to continue to do so because I believe we ALL deserve these things.
Sorry, guess I got a bit carried anyway. Anyhow... I do not reject Clinton. If she demonstrates reliability and strength in regards to progressive legislation, I will happily accept her - if and when she wins the nomination.
morningglory
(2,336 posts)in some year coming up. It is all over for the "establishment".
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,759 posts)involve division.