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Voters Under Age 35 Continue to Reject Hillary (Original Post) GoLeft TV Mar 2016 OP
No mostly young white males are not voting for Clinton: Sander is promising free college lewebley3 Mar 2016 #1
Sanders promises nothing.. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #3
Sanders politicies are empty without votes in the Senate: Dem voting is low lewebley3 Mar 2016 #8
He's turned out young people concerned about their future mountain grammy Mar 2016 #21
Dem turnout is low because Hillary is not an inspirational candidate. PotatoChip Mar 2016 #28
If you count votes for Sanders the voting is up. anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #35
And there you have it.. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #41
"Bernie Sanders promises nothing" Cryptoad Mar 2016 #24
and Hillary promises nothing mountain grammy Mar 2016 #39
Remind us again Cryptoad Mar 2016 #42
It is absolutely not a right wing attack. Don't hide behind that. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #45
still waiting for when she was waging war as per ur post Cryptoad Mar 2016 #48
She voted to give a corrupt, incompetent, and dishonest mountain grammy Mar 2016 #49
Sanders promises politicians with empty pockets. anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #32
Yeah, Hillary's got the cash all right mountain grammy Mar 2016 #40
My grandkids and their friends are young women for Bernie. Duval Mar 2016 #4
you might not be old enough Perogie Mar 2016 #22
There were never free colleges : Tax payers paid: and we use to tax the Rich lewebley3 Mar 2016 #62
Technically you are correct, they were paid through taxes Perogie Mar 2016 #63
Lol, you copy/pasted this whole text haven't you? BeanMusical Mar 2016 #27
No just stating the truth lewebley3 Mar 2016 #61
Woosh! BeanMusical Mar 2016 #64
White people don't count? Why not? JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #52
Lots of old people too. bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #2
I live in a retirement community. Most are for Bernie. Duval Mar 2016 #5
Let's face it. Hillary comes across as just another politician. Young people don't dig that. jalan48 Mar 2016 #6
She's phony, and they know it. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #15
Yes-how many people actually come out to hear her? Where's the enthusiasm for her? jalan48 Mar 2016 #25
I love this younger generation. They get it and want their democracy back. anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #36
Me too. I wish I were a Millennial rather than an old Gen Xer. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #54
Old Gen Xer? Bite your tongue. anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #57
With all this anti-Hillary propaganda SFnomad Mar 2016 #7
Lots of people voted early - would love to see how many have buyer's remorse Crabby Abbey Mar 2016 #13
I think Hillary's problem is that she is out of touch with jwirr Mar 2016 #9
Are you blaming Bill Clinton for the Bush economy? ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2016 #10
Glass Steagall repeal caused the global financial meltdown. Crabby Abbey Mar 2016 #16
Bingo! Roland99 Mar 2016 #18
He is certainly not completely blameless. yourout Mar 2016 #17
People come around when they actually think it through. anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #37
Young people are the ones who are out and about the most. polly7 Mar 2016 #11
+1 Very well said. BeanMusical Mar 2016 #29
As well as a lot of older voters. SheilaT Mar 2016 #12
Young people generally are on the right side of history, just saying. Tragl1 Mar 2016 #14
Yeah, we did so well when we went all out for George McGovern. pnwmom Mar 2016 #20
Hmmm Nixon vs Trump Tragl1 Mar 2016 #33
Of course I'm not saying it was wrong. But as to Hillary, her favorability ratings pnwmom Mar 2016 #46
I disagree, I think Bernie is the better choice. Tragl1 Mar 2016 #51
There is a reason for her ratings noiretextatique Mar 2016 #65
For more than 20 years, people have trained by RW based media attacks not to like her. pnwmom Mar 2016 #66
Oh yeah...it's the rw, not her noiretextatique Mar 2016 #67
"How stupid are you" latching onto all the RW lies? nt pnwmom Mar 2016 #68
The Vietnam war ended because young people felt a moral responsibility to oppose it. anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #38
I was out there protesting like Bernie. And I was devastated when pnwmom Mar 2016 #47
What nonsense. anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #53
Even after everything we now know you still don't think A Simple Game Mar 2016 #56
Who are they going to vote for? Trump? Cruz? pnwmom Mar 2016 #19
Hillary Clinton (and Bill) represent the ideal of another generation Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2016 #23
Hey the Alero has it's fine points astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #30
And on a related note ... Texano78704 Mar 2016 #26
Because they've heard of Hillary for 25 years zalinda Mar 2016 #44
Right ... Texano78704 Mar 2016 #58
It's not deliberate ignorance. zalinda Mar 2016 #59
So ... Texano78704 Mar 2016 #60
It's not just about "free college" - and that's not free, either. davidthegnome Mar 2016 #31
They will be the vast majority of grownups... morningglory Mar 2016 #34
tick, tick, tick Cryptoad Mar 2016 #43
Mathematics also yuiyoshida Mar 2016 #50
Isn't life simple? anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #55
So do many of us over 35. nt TBF Mar 2016 #69
 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
1. No mostly young white males are not voting for Clinton: Sander is promising free college
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:31 PM
Mar 2016


which is a fraud: Hillary over all has more young peoples votes
than Sanders: young people that are not white have voted
in great numbers for Hillary.

Hillary tells the truth the Senate may vote for more affordable college
in a budget: but unless the Dem take the house there will be no
free college.

mountain grammy

(26,568 posts)
3. Sanders promises nothing..
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

he puts forth good policies that are completely realistic if we elect people who will work for the people.

Let me say that again, Bernie Sanders promises nothing. Show me one speech or statement where he promises anything other than he will work for the people.

 

lewebley3

(3,412 posts)
8. Sanders politicies are empty without votes in the Senate: Dem voting is low
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:13 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders has not turned out more Dems": he has turned
out young people wanting free college.

mountain grammy

(26,568 posts)
21. He's turned out young people concerned about their future
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:59 PM
Mar 2016

are you not concerned? I'm sorry you're not paying attention.

 

anothergreenbus

(110 posts)
35. If you count votes for Sanders the voting is up.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:59 PM
Mar 2016

If you let the DNC do its thing, the votes go down. I wonder why?

mountain grammy

(26,568 posts)
41. And there you have it..
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:25 PM
Mar 2016

and in caucus states, turnout was huge.. long lines in Colorado, Bernie won big.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
42. Remind us again
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:30 PM
Mar 2016

when it was HRC was President and waging endless war. Only a President can wage war. More Right wing attacks.

mountain grammy

(26,568 posts)
45. It is absolutely not a right wing attack. Don't hide behind that.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:42 PM
Mar 2016

She's a hawk. If you support her, own it! Stand up for her. Defend her. I see Hillary with a foreign policy based on aggression and interference. Why on earth would the right wing attack her on this.. those are their policies too.

mountain grammy

(26,568 posts)
49. She voted to give a corrupt, incompetent, and dishonest
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:03 PM
Mar 2016

administration the OK to go to war. Me, sitting at home, knew the Bush administration was lying.. but not Hillary! I would rather not have someone with such bad judgement as Commander in Chief.

 

anothergreenbus

(110 posts)
32. Sanders promises politicians with empty pockets.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:49 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary promises cash on the barrelhead. No bribe left behind.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
4. My grandkids and their friends are young women for Bernie.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:40 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders "free college" is not a fraud. He has shown how he intends to pay for it. You can go to his website and read about it.
I think you are likely right about Senate and Congress.

Perogie

(687 posts)
22. you might not be old enough
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:00 PM
Mar 2016

many colleges used to be free in this country.
but if you want to sound like a Republican go right ahead. Dems promise free stuff, Dems promise free stuff.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
52. White people don't count? Why not?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:53 PM
Mar 2016

And by the way, millenial females also back Sanders. Overwhelmingly too.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
15. She's phony, and they know it.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:54 PM
Mar 2016

This younger generation has a very accurate bullshit detection ability. That's why they're rejecting religion, too.

 

anothergreenbus

(110 posts)
36. I love this younger generation. They get it and want their democracy back.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:03 PM
Mar 2016

Thank you for your passion, energy and smarts.
And thanks for not watching TeeVee.
The digitally networked youth are actually informed--not propagandized.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
54. Me too. I wish I were a Millennial rather than an old Gen Xer.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:03 PM
Mar 2016

Not only would I be young and shiny, I'd fit in better with my peers. I was never good with the Reagan Youth I had to go to school with in the 80s.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
7. With all this anti-Hillary propaganda
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016

It's hard to believe she's ahead by over 300 delegates and millions of votes.

 

Crabby Abbey

(66 posts)
13. Lots of people voted early - would love to see how many have buyer's remorse
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:50 PM
Mar 2016

now that they know what their actual options were!

Go Bernie!

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
9. I think Hillary's problem is that she is out of touch with
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:17 PM
Mar 2016

the real problems of today. When this all started some months ago - my daughter and her union husband were going to vote for Hillary. When I asked her why she said, "because the economy was really good when they were in office." She was not thinking about the roll Bill's administration played in the downfall since then.

When I asked about the dirty tricks she said, "that's politics." As if it is okay to win by stuffing a card up your sleeve.

It was when I started talking about the problems of her children and my great grandchildren that they realized that Bernie was the answer to today.

I think Hillary has the same problem they had. Still thinking that the politics we have practiced since 1980 is going to get us ahead. Because it did get her and Bill ahead - but we cannot all gives speeches to Goldman-Sacs. Nor does it effect her daughter and her grandchild. They also have earned their money in the same way Hillary and Bill did. She just does not see the problem.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
10. Are you blaming Bill Clinton for the Bush economy?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:22 PM
Mar 2016

Are you mad at Obama for the Republican Congress?

Looks to me like that's the problem right there.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

 

Crabby Abbey

(66 posts)
16. Glass Steagall repeal caused the global financial meltdown.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:54 PM
Mar 2016

Bush was horrible but Clinton did not have his hands clean either.

yourout

(7,520 posts)
17. He is certainly not completely blameless.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:54 PM
Mar 2016

His signature is on many things that enabled Bush to do his damage.

 

anothergreenbus

(110 posts)
37. People come around when they actually think it through.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:06 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary is paid not to worry about tomorrow. Isn't that the Clinton's theme song?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
11. Young people are the ones who are out and about the most.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:23 PM
Mar 2016

They see and know first-hand what issues make them concerned and even afraid for and are not being addressed. They also have a much better grasp on what's happening not just for them, but for the world with the internet to search and decide what is truth to them.

They don't depend on Fox News or any other of the MSM to dictate how and what they should know.

I hope so much all those millions attending the rallies, volunteering and dreaming of a better future with Sanders get their wish and can see a more hopeful future than is offered with more of the same. This isn't just in the U.S., it's all over the world - young people are finally realizing they have voices and need to use them. This planet cannot survive without huge changes right now.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
12. As well as a lot of older voters.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:49 PM
Mar 2016

I have a 30 year old niece who is a Hillary fan, and I'm very disappointed in her. I honestly think she's simply caught up in the giddy prospect of a woman President without looking at what Hillary's real accomplishments have been.

Bernie got more delegates yesterday than Hillary did. And upcoming primaries and caucuses favor Bernie.

I am genuinely depressed at the prospect of a Hillary Presidency. Her supporters will simply never understand how much damage she will do.

And DON"T even bother to say Well at least she's better than Trump or Cruz. It's sort of like asking someone if they'd rather be boiled in oil or burned at the stake. Both very unpleasant, both kill you.

 

Tragl1

(104 posts)
14. Young people generally are on the right side of history, just saying.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:53 PM
Mar 2016

Vietnam, Segregation, Iraq War, in general the youth tend to be on the right side morally in history. So...yeah.



GO BERNIE!

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
20. Yeah, we did so well when we went all out for George McGovern.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:59 PM
Mar 2016

We won one whole state with that youth vote thing!

 

Tragl1

(104 posts)
33. Hmmm Nixon vs Trump
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:55 PM
Mar 2016

This isn't 1972, besides are you saying the youth's anti-Vietnam War Movement was wrong? Bernie stomps Trump in polling, Hillary's unfavorable ratings are astronomical and just growing, so...I think you missed my point but maybe you will catch my second one.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
46. Of course I'm not saying it was wrong. But as to Hillary, her favorability ratings
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:47 PM
Mar 2016

have been steady and the attacks are all too familiar. Bernie's unfavorability ratings would shoot up if he were in the general and the Rethugs were aiming their attacks at him. There's plenty of crap they could throw at him.

Either one of them can defeat Trump, but Hillary would be the better President, as she showed once again in her speech at Stanford about ISIS.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
65. There is a reason for her ratings
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:37 PM
Mar 2016

People do not like or trust her. I don't understand the obstinence about this. It's not propaganda...it's her.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
66. For more than 20 years, people have trained by RW based media attacks not to like her.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:45 PM
Mar 2016

I like Hillary a lot. I think the attacks have been unfair since the very beginning, when she was excoriated for saying that she wanted to do serious work as First Lady, not just bake cookies.

And then she was accused of killing Vince Foster and on and on and on to Benghazi, and the ridiculous email kerfuffle.

Hillary is a serious person, highly dedicated and experienced and -- yes -- driven, and keeps going no matter what the haters throw at her. And I admire her for that and so do millions of other supporters.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
67. Oh yeah...it's the rw, not her
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:46 PM
Mar 2016

You are foolish enough to believe people do not know the difference? How stupid are you?

 

anothergreenbus

(110 posts)
38. The Vietnam war ended because young people felt a moral responsibility to oppose it.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:14 PM
Mar 2016

Where were you? Chanting USA! USA! ?

What is wrong with you? Do you have any sense of morality or obligation to other human beings?
Here is some reading on Clinton's callous indifference to the lives of other human beings. I'm sure it will only reinforce your idolization of her:

Honduras:
As Greg Grandin recently noted in the Nation, Zelaya’s ouster paved the way for “an all-out assault on these decent people—torture, murder, militarization of the countryside, repressive laws, such as the absolute ban on the morning-after pill, the rise of paramilitary security forces, and the wholesale deliverance of the country’s land and resources to transnational pillagers.”

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslatinamericaforeignpolicy.html
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/09/24/hillary-clinton-emails-and-honduras-coup
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/18/hillary_must_answer_for_honduras_partner/
http://www.thenation.com/article/as-the-united-states-votes-honduras-kills/

Libya:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/08/politics/hillary-clinton-libya-election-2016/
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/libya-isis-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/07/hillary-libya-nato-qaddafi-obama/

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
47. I was out there protesting like Bernie. And I was devastated when
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:51 PM
Mar 2016

George McGovern lost by 49 states.

But, compared to most of the protesters, Hillary got more done working as a lawyer with the Children's Defense fund. I admire her for her steady, persistent work trying to make the world a better place, one step at a time.

 

anothergreenbus

(110 posts)
53. What nonsense.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:03 PM
Mar 2016

Ending the Vietnam war was less significant than Hillary's Children's Defense Fund?

"Hillary, as First Lady, advocated strongly for the restructuring of welfare. Her former co-workers at CDF, on the other hand, were infuriated. CDF founder and President Marian Wright Edelman declared that President Clinton’s “signature on this pernicious bill makes a mockery of his pledge not to hurt children.

“Hillary Clinton is an old friend, but they are not friends in politics,” the CDF president told Democracy Now in a 2007 interview. At the time, CDF “profoundly disagreed with the forms of the welfare reform bill, and we said so,” Marian Wright Edelman explained."

Isn't if funny that every claim by Hillary Clinton supporters can be revealed as a falsehood with two minutes of Googling?

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/the_worst_thing_hillary_clinton_has_ever_done/

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
56. Even after everything we now know you still don't think
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:08 PM
Mar 2016

McGovern would have made a better President than Nixon?

You really think a vote for McGovern was a wasted vote, wow, it takes all kinds. I think many of us knew at the time and most of us now know that those voting for Nixon made the mistake not those voting for McGovern.

As a poster up thread said, history has proven the youth right every time. I am proud to have been one of them against the war in the '60s. I was against the first invasion of Iraq and also knew that there were no WMD's in Iraq the second time when we again invaded an innocent Country.

It will never cease to amaze me how some will not vote for the best candidate and wonder why we get crap for Presidents.

But what the hell, an opportunity to bash liberals can't be wasted can it?

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
19. Who are they going to vote for? Trump? Cruz?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:58 PM
Mar 2016

And if they don't vote at all, that's not unusual. Their participation rate is usually low compared to older age groups.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
23. Hillary Clinton (and Bill) represent the ideal of another generation
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:02 PM
Mar 2016

The Clinton brand always led with selling an ideal rather than selling ideology, but that ideal of the perfect, accomplished Boomer woman slash power-couple resonates about as strongly with young people as an Oldsmobile Alero.

Larry David ranting and sweating through his shirt isn't going to solve their problems, but they don't feel like they're sitting at the kids table.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
44. Because they've heard of Hillary for 25 years
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:32 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie, only a year. Better to vote for the devil you know.

Z

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
59. It's not deliberate ignorance.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:22 AM
Mar 2016

The MSM have done very little to promote Bernie. His rallys are barely mentioned and even when he wins a state, you have to go look for the results, instead of hitting you in the face with the headlines. The vast majority of people do not have the time or energy to keep up with politics, they are treading water as fast as they can to keep their heads above water, rather than read up on politics.

It used to be that you could sit down at 6 o'clock and get the local news and at 6:30 get the world news and it would all be truthful and informative. It is not that way any more. You can't even get the real news from newspapers any more. So unless you have time to did into the Internet and spend hours finding the most accurate news, you will go with what you know, rather than what you have to study up on. This is the same reason ineffective representatives keep getting elected all the time.

Z

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
31. It's not just about "free college" - and that's not free, either.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:34 PM
Mar 2016

I don't know what portion of young voters supports Clinton over Sanders or Sanders over Clinton or what their race, background, religion, gender, or anything else is... but for me, it's not about a young person wanting "free college".

It's about a young person wanting a chance, just a chance, to make it in today's economy. A system of higher education - and healthcare, funded by the public, would go a long way towards making that chance a reality. It's not "free stuff", it's an investment. If you invest in this Nations young people through progressive taxation to support a higher education system funded by the public... you will get an unbelievable return. Every dollar that goes into TANF, or EBT, or other social programs have demonstrated this, over and over and over again - that money goes back into the economy.

That education, funded by the public, will then continue to be funded by college grads, by people who have better jobs, higher wages - and ultimately, better lives, without the stagnation and brutality of vicious poverty.

That's why I support Bernie Sanders. I know we can't accomplish those progressive changes without a struggle, without a fight, without one hell of an uphill battle... but when has it ever been otherwise? In regards to civil rights, to medicare, medicaid, to anything that people wanted - and fought for... and won? These things didn't just appear overnight, they were fought for - and fought for hard.

There is a lot of talk from some democrats and most republicans about "entitlements", about how we need to cut so called "entitlement" spending... things that the American tax payer has been paying for - and benefiting from - for many, many years. Not free stuff, but some good policies and programs that support the majority of Americans.

I hope that Clinton will support these things as well - and recent examples of her speeches and policies indicates that she will - though perhaps not as strongly, not as ideally, as Mr. Sanders.

A suggestion to everyone in this thread: millenials do not deserve your contempt. Their race, gender, sexual orientation, religion and socio-economic backgrounds are irrelevant in regards to many issues - particularly those which benefit all Americans. Even a whole lot of Clinton supporters want to have a higher education system and universal healthcare system funded by the public.

As a millenial currently buried under student debt, who has spent years working in the service industry for dirt wages, without health insurance and without many, many other things... I resent the notion that I am some spoiled brat demanding free stuff. No, I've already worked for it and been taxed for it, I've already suffered for it. I'll be glad to continue to do so because I believe we ALL deserve these things.

Sorry, guess I got a bit carried anyway. Anyhow... I do not reject Clinton. If she demonstrates reliability and strength in regards to progressive legislation, I will happily accept her - if and when she wins the nomination.

morningglory

(2,336 posts)
34. They will be the vast majority of grownups...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:57 PM
Mar 2016

in some year coming up. It is all over for the "establishment".

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