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irisblue

(32,967 posts)
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:01 PM Jun 2014

Why did Billie Joe McAllister jump off the Tallahatchie Bridge?

"It was the third of June, another sleepy, dusty, delta day
I was out choppin' cotton and my brother was balin' hay
And at dinner time we stopped and walked back to the house to eat
And Mama hollered out the back door, "Y'all remember to wipe your feet"
Then she said, "I got some news this mornin' from Choctaw Ridge
Today Billie Joe McAllister jumped off the Tallahatchie Bridge"
Since I am unsure if I copy and paste the whole song I'd get in trouble, I'll just say look the lyrics up. I heard the song when it first came out in 1967. Susie Barbie & I combined our allowances and bought the 45 for 39 cents. We played it until the vinyl was wavy.

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Why did Billie Joe McAllister jump off the Tallahatchie Bridge? (Original Post) irisblue Jun 2014 OP
Have to ask Bobbie Gentry. Downwinder Jun 2014 #1
that musical hook can still grab... irisblue Jun 2014 #4
Remember when someone like Bobbie Gentry would have a hit and sing it on every damn show on TV? Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2014 #2
we didn't get TV till 1970. irisblue Jun 2014 #3
I grew up in northwest Ohio. LeftofObama Jun 2014 #16
Really? What part of NW Ohio? I'm there now and madmom Jun 2014 #45
this song haunts me to this day... hopemountain Jun 2014 #5
According to the song Billie was a he. Laffy Kat Jun 2014 #28
Weird, I crossed the Tallahatchie yesterday and thought of that song. denbot Jun 2014 #6
The bridge mentioned in the song collapsed in June 1972. Downwinder Jun 2014 #8
More importantly... Wounded Bear Jun 2014 #7
I always thought they were throwing off a body. KamaAina Jun 2014 #30
I think it's more likely they just broke up Art_from_Ark Jun 2014 #40
Winner! lastlib Jun 2014 #41
There's a port on a western bay, and it serves 100 ships a day Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #9
Long Beach, California. jmowreader Jun 2014 #17
Makes sense. Somehow, I'd always pictured it as Oakland Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #19
If they consider the fishing fleet as ships, there are a couple other choices jmowreader Jun 2014 #27
The only Brandy I know lives in Morgantown, WV KamaAina Jun 2014 #31
Sailors drink whisky and wine there Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2014 #33
Likely at the pub where her partner is the chef KamaAina Jun 2014 #35
Billie Joe was pushed... gmoney Jun 2014 #10
wow - Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #11
Whoa. Best idea ever. We always went with the baby theory. nolabear Jun 2014 #34
Excellent... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #36
"Warning movie spoilers" Tabasco_Dave Jun 2014 #12
must have missed something. what were they throwing off the bridge? n/t orleans Jun 2014 #14
Spoiler Tabasco_Dave Jun 2014 #15
Video of Bobbie Gentry performing Ode to Billie Joe... pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #13
My guess is he wanted to end it all. nt raccoon Jun 2014 #18
I always thought it was because... Phentex Jun 2014 #20
My mom died on the 3rd of June... Tom_Foolery Jun 2014 #21
... LiberalEsto Jun 2014 #22
Long ago I saw a TV movie that implied Billie Joe and the girl had tossed their baby off the bridge Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #23
I've thought that, too... malthaussen Jun 2014 #24
That was always my interpretation as well..."Ode to Billie Joe" as a murder ballad. Chan790 Jun 2014 #26
Still remember all the words from when I was a kid and I found the movie disappointing. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2014 #38
I dunno. Depends on what Billie Joe and the narrator were throwing off the bridge previous, I guess. Iggo Jun 2014 #25
Remember the song "Timothy"? Laffy Kat Jun 2014 #29
How about cannibalism? MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #37
"Hungry as hell, no food to eat, and Joe said.... lastlib Jun 2014 #42
What I heard was Billie Joe let Preacher Taylor talk him into having Becky struggle4progress Jun 2014 #32
Isn't that "Double Indemnity"? gmoney Jun 2014 #39
The last lines of the song are Mr.Bill Jun 2014 #43
She didn't know that bungee jumping requires you to have a line atatched DFW Jun 2014 #44

irisblue

(32,967 posts)
4. that musical hook can still grab...
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:38 PM
Jun 2014

until tonight, I didn't realize she also wrote and preformed 'Fancy', Reba Mac Entires' cover was the one I knew. Huh, learned something today...

irisblue

(32,967 posts)
3. we didn't get TV till 1970.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:26 PM
Jun 2014

Radio, of course, music of course...I grew up Motown, the first religion, Tiger Baseball was second, then your church was 3rd in the mid/late 60s in Detroit for a lot of us. (CKLW for music, WJR for baseball, WJLB for summer night music...anyone? please? )

LeftofObama

(4,243 posts)
16. I grew up in northwest Ohio.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:15 AM
Jun 2014

Many's the day I would sit outside with my transistor radio listening to CKLW! It was the coolest station around.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
5. this song haunts me to this day...
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:45 PM
Jun 2014

all kinds of reasons for jumping off a bridge. i wondered, what did she look like? how old? what time of day or night? who found her? or, was billie a he?

Laffy Kat

(16,377 posts)
28. According to the song Billie was a he.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jun 2014

"He put a frog down my back at the Carroll County Picture Show."

denbot

(9,899 posts)
6. Weird, I crossed the Tallahatchie yesterday and thought of that song.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:51 PM
Jun 2014

I was headed from Tennessee to Georgia and crossed a pretty low bridge. I thought that Billy Jo would have really regretted that move if this was in fact the bridge, but I don't know where Choctaw Ridge is from where I crossed that little river. I can't even remember if I was in Mississippi, or Alabama when I crossed it.

I tried to remember if that song stated why he jumped. Had not thought of that song in many, many years.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
8. The bridge mentioned in the song collapsed in June 1972.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:12 AM
Jun 2014

It crossed the Tallahatchie River at Money, about ten miles (16 km) north of Greenwood, Mississippi, and has since been replaced. The November 10, 1967 issue of Life Magazine contained a photo of Gentry crossing the original bridge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ode_to_Billie_Joe

Wounded Bear

(58,645 posts)
7. More importantly...
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:54 PM
Jun 2014
That nice young preacher Brother Taylor stopped by today.
and he'd be pleased to have dinner on Sunday, oh by the way...
He said he saw a girl, looked a lot like you up on Choctaw Ridge,
and she and Billy Joe was throwing something off the Tallahatchie Bridge.


What the hell were they throwing off the bridge?

And was the EPA informed?



Lots of mystery in that song.

lastlib

(23,213 posts)
41. Winner!
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:02 PM
Jun 2014

(This has always been my conjecture, FWIW...) She broke up with him, and he lost it and took the big dive.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
9. There's a port on a western bay, and it serves 100 ships a day
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:17 AM
Jun 2014

There's a girl in this harbor town, and she works laying whiskey down


So you tell me - where does Brandy live?


As for Billie Joe -- I've always assumed a woman was to blame.

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
17. Long Beach, California.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:31 AM
Jun 2014

Port of Long Beach and Port of Los Angeles butt up together. It's the only port complex in the US that could possibly deal with a hundred ships a day.

They won't be dealing with 100 post-Panamax container ships a day, but I don't think there are 100 of those ships in the first place.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
19. Makes sense. Somehow, I'd always pictured it as Oakland
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 09:53 AM
Jun 2014

...and yes - shipping has changed a bit since Brandy's day.

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
27. If they consider the fishing fleet as ships, there are a couple other choices
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jun 2014

Astoria and Seattle would work. Oakland would work.

And by stretching "western bay" out as far as you can, Western Harbor in Gloucester, MA, would work too.

gmoney

(11,559 posts)
10. Billie Joe was pushed...
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:25 AM
Jun 2014

Unless there was someone there to see, they wouldn't know if he jumped or fell or was pushed. Falling is unlikely, since they obviously spent a lot of time on this bridge. And since the preacher is bringing the news that he "jumped" -- chances are the preacher pushed him off because he wanted the narrator for himself.

Or, maybe it's all just songcraft, and the line sounds dramatic and enigmatic, and if the story had been clear, people wouldn't have wanted to hear it over and over looking for clues. That's what mysteries are all about.

Or, as Bob Dylan once told Jimmy Thudpucker, "Man, I just want it to rhyme."

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
11. wow -
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:31 AM
Jun 2014

The Preacher did it

now, I am really spooked out.

I will never listen to that song the same way again.

heavy, dude. that is real heavy.

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
34. Whoa. Best idea ever. We always went with the baby theory.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:39 PM
Jun 2014

Since I lived in Mississippi at the time it was a blast being "famous." Bobby Gentry was royalty. Darned fine song, too.

Tabasco_Dave

(1,259 posts)
15. Spoiler
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 04:55 AM
Jun 2014

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I remember it was her doll they used to play with when they where kids . Saw the movie 30 years ago so my memory is fuzzy.













 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
23. Long ago I saw a TV movie that implied Billie Joe and the girl had tossed their baby off the bridge
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:00 AM
Jun 2014

and that is why he eventually jumped. (At least, that is what is in my hazy memory.)

Mama said to me, "Child what's happened to your appetite?
I been cookin' all mornin' and you haven't touched single bite
That nice young preacher Brother Taylor dropped by today
Said he'd be pleased to have dinner on Sunday, oh by the way
He said he saw a girl that looked a lot like you up on Choctaw Ridge
And she and Billie Joe was throwin' somethin' off the Tallahatchie Bridge"


malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
24. I've thought that, too...
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:17 AM
Jun 2014

... but it's hard to figure how she could have been pregnant without her mother (and that nosy preacher) knowing about it.

Metaphorically, it was probably their dreams of getting out of town they were throwing off the bridge.

Anyway, I always figured he jumped because the narrator wouldn't marry him. Hadn't thought about the preacher wanting her for himself.

-- Mal

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
26. That was always my interpretation as well..."Ode to Billie Joe" as a murder ballad.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:29 PM
Jun 2014

Specifically, that Billie Joe committed suicide after he and the unnamed narrator murdered their newborn child in order to conceal her ever having been pregnant. I mean it's ambiguous, but I've assumed from early-on it was a murder ballad. In HS, I had an English assignment where we were supposed to take a popular song with a narrative quality and write an interpretation of the lyrics. It was supposed to teach us about critical analysis of media and writings.

Mine was on "Ode to Billie Joe."

Iggo

(47,549 posts)
25. I dunno. Depends on what Billie Joe and the narrator were throwing off the bridge previous, I guess.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:05 PM
Jun 2014

All I know is that song scared the fuck out of me back when I was five years old.

Laffy Kat

(16,377 posts)
29. Remember the song "Timothy"?
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:56 PM
Jun 2014

Stuck in a mine. "Oh God what did we do?" Everyone was wondering what Timothy was. Some said he was a guy, others a mule.

lastlib

(23,213 posts)
42. "Hungry as hell, no food to eat, and Joe said....
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:08 PM
Jun 2014

...he would sell his soul for just a piece of meat." "...The only ones left to tell the tale were Joe--and me..." (A mule wouldn't've been telling the tale anyway. Who would care if they ate a mule to survive? Had to be a human Timothy.)

struggle4progress

(118,278 posts)
32. What I heard was Billie Joe let Preacher Taylor talk him into having Becky
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 08:00 PM
Jun 2014

take out a big life insurance policy on him, and they were gonna fake Billie Joe's death and split the money, until Becky and Preacher Taylor realized splitting it two ways would be better than three. But it was sorta strange nobody ever found Billie Joe's body

Mr.Bill

(24,280 posts)
43. The last lines of the song are
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:29 PM
Jun 2014

And me I spend a lot of time pickin' flowers up on Chocktaw Ridge
And drop them into the muddy waters off the Talahatchee bridge.

My take on the song is much more simple. It was just teenage love and they used to while away the time picking flowers and dropping them off the bridge. (that's what they were seen doing there)
Now she does it alone to remember those good times.

I think there was a TV movie made of the song, I never saw it but I heard they implied Billy Joe committed suicide because he was gay.

DFW

(54,341 posts)
44. She didn't know that bungee jumping requires you to have a line atatched
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:50 PM
Jun 2014

It was relatively new back then, and, well, not everyone realized, and well, you know the rest.

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