Israel Kamakawiwo'ole, for sure....

They have a few hundred music critics and from that list something like 70% of the critics have to vote to include you.

I'm sure Israel Kamakawiwo'ole is very talented but he is also very obscure which pretty much means a no-go.

Sorry, I'm an old fart...but I love that rendition of that song!

if that was actually true. Of course, given he has been dead for so long, that is probably the impression for a lot of people...

Thanks for the info.

That doesn't mean his music isn't any good. He was quite talented. But you have to understand who actually picks the names to be on the ballot. Heck it took Rush 16 years after they were eligible to even see their name on the ballot.

consider many of the "greats" in jazz circles as "obscure"...

So the question was purely out of curiosity.. do you know who he is?

But in general I am not a big jazz person.

The concept of who really truly deserves to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and who actually gets in there are 2 very different lists.

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/The_Snub_List.php

Here's a good list of some bands that have not made it. And one huge thing about that list - some of those bands have never even been nominated. The list is loaded with Prog Rock bands because Jann Weiner (the leader of the group that decides who gets on the list) has made it vocally know his negative thoughts on Prog.

Jazz and Rock N Roll have little in common. Yes there is jazz fusion and there are rock bands who certainly use jazz as an influence (and those bands are summarily rejected by the Hall).

Still won't make it.

That list I showed doesn't mean the person will even make the ballot, it just means they are eligible. There's a committee that decides who should be on the ballot and there some groups that have made huge impacts in the musical industry, sold millions of records and still do not get on the ballot. The band Rush use to be one of those groups. They were eligible since the mid 90s yet Jann Weiner (Editor of Rolling Stone Magazine and the person that leads who decides who gets on the list) felt that Prog Rock wasn't worth of the RRHOF. Rush finally got on the list last year and received the highest vote % of all the bands nominated in 2013. Even still there are dozens of Prog Rock bands that should be in there but will never be considered including Yes (they got their first nomination in 2014 and didn't make it), Jethro Tull, King Crimson to name a few.

That's doesn't mean he won't make it. Just like BBHOF there is a Veterans committee that will appoint new members who perhaps were overlooked on balloting after 10-15 years.

sigh.... No, he was more than a song used in movies years after his death.

I no longer care who they choose. Basically has little to do with rock n roll imo. Just a name.

Black Crowes, for sure.

Blur is my favorite of the bunch, though.

I mean, The Move, ELO, The Traveling Wilburys, producing Tom Petty and the Beatles... Decades of success and he's still working. Even by the Hall of Fame's shallow standards, that's got to count for something.

There are a lot of good bands but nothing that I would call Hall of Fame material. Primus, Hole, Mazzy Star, Smashing Pumpkins, Mark Lanegan, Breeders, Blues Traveler, Black Crows, and Alica in Chains were great shows to see.

I would not consider Mariah Carey and Celene Dion "rock" singers.

I like Dar Williams, Blues Traveler, and some of the others who probably won't make it.

that's about it

It's not very often that a band will get in on the first ballot. Smashing Pumpkins was a huge part of that 90's grunge/alternative movement but they weren't the first to do it. (That would go to Nirvana) I think the only other band of that era that might have the possibility of getting in on first ballot would be Pearl Jam and very slight chance Sound Garden.

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/eligibles.php

Off the bat, I would say there are a number of potential first timers upcoming:

Ani DiFranco
Sarah McLachlan
Green Day
Nine Inch Nails
Tom Petty

Next year could be a hell of a ceremony.

http://rockhall.com/inductees/tom-petty-and-the-heartbreakers/

If Sarah McLachlan was on the list, I missed her, and I'd agree she'd be a strong choice.

He is eligible as a solo act this year.

...and if the Travelling Wilburys get added, he can become a 3x inductee up there with Clapton.

But I'd include Cannibal Corpse just for the fun of it. Watch George Corpsegrinder Fisher's head explode when he finds he's not included since he wasn't in the band when they first started.


Is that the metal Paradise Lost? They had some great albums and some dumb ones. Their first couple were pretty great though.

He even spoke about the fact that we was the 5th drummer for the band. But he was the most significant one of note for Nirvana and the only drummer present at the ceremony

I'm not familiar with Cannibal Corpse but if Fisher a member for a significant portion of the band then he' be include. That was the big stink with Kiss because they had so many key members who played at various times.

he's the second and has been with them longer than original Chris Barnes was but Barnes was there for their best albums. Everything after Barnes was mostly just the same thing over and over - which is fine if you like that one thing.

They aren't a particularly innovative metal band but for a while they were the single best-selling extreme metal band in the world. and that sucks because there where then and are now tons of better bands. But it would still be fun at the all star jam at the end of the ceremony.

I whip my hair...

High quality, varied & influential body of work.

Sure there are some good bands/artists on the list, but Hall of Fame worthy? Primus would be my only consideration.

Seem to have been waiting a few too many years.

Assuming that the corrected list is correct, Green Day and Mariah Carey are the only clear calls.

Most of what is on this list is the soundtrack of the early 90s. A lot of fun music to me sure, but there are a bunch of one and two hit wonders on this list.

Mariah Carey is probably first among equals when it comes to 90s pop stars (I realize we could debate that point in a whole ' nother thread). She's charted 18 songs at #1 in her 24 year career, although she may ultimately be best remembered for a song that peaked at #21 -- "All I Want For Christmas is You.". The thing that is amazing and gets lost in this discussion -- she's a grand old lady of music at this point.

Green Day...dear Deep Purple and Yes fans. I love 'em too, but Green Day is flat out more deserving of a R&RHOF nod. First, they've outlasted your bands. Second, they've produced two of the most iconic albums of the past 20 years -- 1994's "Dookie" and 2004's "American Idiot". AI is not only a wildly popular album, but is also one of the sharpst social commentaries on the war in Iraq and 2004 America. Will they match the masterful musicianship of Howe, Squires, & Wakeman -- no.

Nine Inch Nails is likely to eventually get in.

Damn Yankees is interesting because it gives the Hall a chance to admit Ted Nugent. I despise his politics; taking politics out of it, he's been a popular solo artist since the 70s and an influential side man back to Motown.

YES is touring to this day and put out a new album a couple years ago (NO, it's not Fragile, but they are standing the test of time). Their influence is beyond the norm, with bands as varied as Rush to Dream Theater to extreme death metal calling them a major influence. They could write 20 minute compositions as well as 4 minute top 40 radio hits.

Mariah Carey is NOT rock n roll. And while I do like Green Day and they deserve to be in, they absolutely should not be in ahead of YES...they get in because they are a mainstream act and while they were doing their thing for Top 40 radio, YES was creating bands like Rush due to their inspiration and influence. WHAT major act cites Green Day as a major influence.

Damn Yankees? Is this serious? Or just a funny joke. Ahead of Yes? Oh my.

My argument for YES being in is stated below. They (along with King Crimson) are two horrible omissions.

The FACT is the Hall has a perverse bias against TWO genres of music....METAL and PROGRESSIVE ... which are my two favorite types of music so I am bitter.

First, I never said Yes did or did not deserve to be in. I was commenting on the bands on the lengthy list. Nevertheless, I'll respond.

This argument has two problems,

Problem 1: What is "Rock N Roll" is in the eye of the beholder. The HOF has clearly decided to take the "Big Tent" approach, and they've let in pop acts, rap acts, Motown acts, folk acts, and R & B acts, Many current innductees are not considered "Rock N Roll" by many beholders.

Problem 2: Many would assert that the highly classically influenced music that Yes put out in their prime is not Rock N Roll either. The same arguments are used against Jethro Tull and ELP.



They tour, but they haven't put out any meaningful new material since the mid-80s, and many Yes fans were not thrilled with the "Owner of a Lonely Heart" era of the band.



The influence arument is applied inconsistently by the R& RHOF. If they were looking at influence bands, Roxy Music and Little Feat would have been in years ago.



Yes, it's serious. However, the comment was not made in comparison to Yes. I would argue that Damn Yankees probably belongs in.



Again, the influence argument doesn't really get a band into the R&R HOF. While I'd agree that Yes beloneged in ahaead of Laura Nyro (who was inducted), Yes did not absolutely dominate their segment of the genre in the same way that Green Day did. You can argue that this is unfair in as much as Yes had to compete with a plethora of talented bands, but they were never as dominant in the 70s as bands like Led Zeppelin, The Who, and Pink Floyd.

Based on these criteria, I don't think very many of the artists mentioned above deserve to get in.

As a low post count poster, many here will assume that you are a paid right wing troll. If you are a paid right wing troll, I want to get a few things straight:

1) Who's doing the hiring?
2) Are they still taking applications?
3) What does the gig pay?
4) Do they care if you are an actual winger?
5) Given that you are a Leafs fan, are you part of a vast international conspiracy of some sort?
6) Can you see Cleveland from Toronto under certain weather conditions?

Allow me to respond to each of your questions in order:

1. First rule of Trolling:
We do not talk about trolling!


2. Second Rule of Trolling:
We do not talk about trolling!


3. Let's just say I know how to make it rain, Baby!



4. What exactly is a Winger, anyhow?


5. Yes.


6. Yes...and to prove it, here is a picture of Cleveland that I just took while standing on my back doorstep:

I heard him talk to one of the DZ members who called into an interview with Rockline -- he loves Dread Zeppelin.

They induct Deep Purple - There is no excuse why they are Pete Rosing this band

Sadly overlooked and way past time.

Blues Traveler, Smashing Pumpkins

Béla Fleck and the Flecktones, maybe...

I haven't heard of most of the rest, but I'm so old that Little Richard was my first rock 'n' roll idol.

Until YES, King Crimson, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest are in the Hall has no cred.

-ALL FOUR bands are still active (Crimson in yet another incarnation)

-ALL FOUR bands sold millions of records

-ALL FOUR bands have passionate fan bases

-ALL FOUR bands are talented and produced great music over MULTIPLE decades

King Crimson essentially INVENTED an entire genre of rock in roll, Progressive Rock and by extension progressive metal. To have INVENTED a new way to play rock music and to not even be a finalist? Get real. NIRVANA even called "Red" by King Crimson a major influence so Crimson wasn't just influencing Rush, Dream Theater and modern technical metal they influenced the gods of grunge

YES expanded on the KC sound and style, wrote epic compositions, even had charting hits and without YES there would be no Rush. Unlike King Crimson, the YES lineup for the most part was very static. They created prog masterpieces and would show people in the 80s they could write radio friendly hits (90125 album). They have it all and are more talented than 99% of the bands currently in

Iron Maiden. Before Metallica you put in Iron Maiden as they were a major influence and could be considered the primary "New Wave of British Metal" band, the genre that inspired Metallica and their ilk. Maiden sold albums, sold out halls, is talented as hell musically and to this day continue to record and tour. Their influence is very much under-stated.

Judas Priest. Possibly the most important and most influential heavy metal band. While Sabbath sorta got it started, Priest tossed out the blues and went straight ahead into metal terrain with intricate riffs, varied structures and dazzling duo lead guitar work. Zillions of bands would imitate Priest and none would succeed to reach that bar. Priest was and is active and very successful in each decade, even penning what essentially was a years-ahead of its time Painkiller album (one of the heaviest and fastests things they ever did) as they neared the 20th anniversary of that band in the early 90s showing their ability to progress as musicians and writers.

These four belong in ahead of nearly every other band on the planet and it's a joke they aren't really even being considered.

Bruddah Iz. out of that list.