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DerekG

(2,935 posts)
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 01:32 PM Jun 2014

I prefer Donner's SUPERMAN and Burton's BATMAN to modern superhero movies

I unabashedly love Superman: The Movie and Batman '89.

Compared to today's superhero adaptations, they emphasized character over plot mechanics, allowing their actors to deliver more distinctive, even eccentric performances. They felt less like franchise markers and more like one-shot myths: grandiose, primal, elegantly tidy. And those scores by John Williams and Danny Elfman...has there been anything comparable since?

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I prefer Donner's SUPERMAN and Burton's BATMAN to modern superhero movies (Original Post) DerekG Jun 2014 OP
I don't think any modern summer tent-pole superhero movie would risk a scene this poetic: Aristus Jun 2014 #1
I loved comic books growing up NewJeffCT Jun 2014 #2
I agree that the two recent Superman movies have been suboptimal mythology Jun 2014 #3
Superman was at his best when he fought the kkk on old time radio back in 1946 mucifer Jun 2014 #4
Well... Orrex Jun 2014 #5

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
2. I loved comic books growing up
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 04:33 PM
Jun 2014

but, hated Superman: The Movie. Still think the only Superman movie I liked was Superman 2.

I liked Burton's Batman when it came out and think it paved the way for superhero movies to be a bit darker than they had been in the past.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
3. I agree that the two recent Superman movies have been suboptimal
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:17 PM
Jun 2014

But I think the first two Nolan Batman films blow away the original Burton movie. Maybe some of that is because the Burton movies led to bat nipples, but I also didn't particularly care for Nicholson's Joker, which looks especially dated and boring to me after Ledger's version.

I also think that because comic books exist in their own interwoven universes, I think it detracts to have the movies exist as stand alone one shot events where everything is neatly wrapped up at the end.

Yes there are some movies where the character development is lessened to allow for more and more over the top CGI like Man of Steel, Green Lantern or the 3rd act of Avengers, but I think it's hard to argue that either of the two Captain America movies, or the first Thor or X-men First Class aren't principally character driven.

mucifer

(23,530 posts)
4. Superman was at his best when he fought the kkk on old time radio back in 1946
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:20 PM
Jun 2014

The radio writers of the show worked with Stetson Kennedy, a reporter who investigated the klan.
It's a bit long but it's fun to listen to. Over and over and over and over again the heroes of the show discuss how the klansmen are cowards. It was a popular show for kids and it actually did some damage to the klan.

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/radio/radio.php?topic=radio-reviews/070146-fierycross

This is part one:



I did think of the Superman movies that I have seen the old Christopher Reeves Superman 2 was my favorite.

Orrex

(63,203 posts)
5. Well...
Sun Jun 8, 2014, 09:32 AM
Jun 2014

I followed the Burton film for months even before its release, with increasing dread as I heard more about it and the premiere date approached. I disliked almost everything about it from the first frame to the last, for at least the following reasons:

1. Characterization of Bruce Wayne: Just a goofball to fill screen time until Batman shows up
2. Casting of Commissioner Gordon: I like Pat Hingle, but he was totally wrong for this role
3. Prince soundtrack: 100% awfrul
4. Set design: looked like a movie trying to look like a Hollywood set
5. Tim Burton: then, as now, can't direct a movie to save his life
6. Robert Wuhl: a uniquely unfunny man poorly cast in a pointless role
7. The Joker's henchmen: worthless
8. Batman walking: too much of it, especially in the interminable "climactic" scene
9. Alfred: just a stereotypical English butler with none of the actual character's actual character
10. Joker made Batman made Joker: incredibly lame, and a betrayal of 50 years' worth of character history. I suspect that it was done solely to justify Nicholson's substantially greater age

I tried watching Burton's Batman again about a year ago and couldn't stand it. It has aged very poorly, but what's wrong with it now was wrong with it already at the time of its debut. I would call it forgettable, but it's so terrible in every way that I fear I won't ever be able to forget it.

Danny Elfman...has there been anything comparable since?
Well, yes. Pretty much everything Danny Elfman scored after Oingo Boingo until the early 2000s was either a rehash of The Simpsons or a rehash of his Batman score.

As for Superman: The Movie, I find it to be a much stronger film overall, despite the idiotic comic relief shoehorned into it by the Salkinds. Some poor choices here and there, but on the whole Reeves' portrayal remains definitive. IMO he was so perfectly cast that all subsequent superhero casting choices must be measured by his precedent.
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