Jackie Evancho. Not allowing me to embed the video.

https://music.yahoo.com/blogs/reality-rocks/first-listen--jackie-evancho-covers--game-of-thrones--song--rains-of-castamere-183747047.html

so, I started the Sunday night discussion thread earlier.

sorry for not being clear

It was actually pretty good. Lots of fighting in that one, too.

You can watch it here...

http://vodly.to/watch-2744709-Pompeii

The first hour is nothing but fighting in Roman arenas, blood and gore, ugh.

The second half is like a bad disaster film.

Very little personal connections between the characters.

Big disappointment. Glad we saw it On Demand and so paid half as much, which was too much.

Will they give us Sansa & Littlefinger at all? Or, Arya and The Hound? Or, do Jamie & Tyrion have the talk tonight, setting up the big events in episode 10?

And, do they give us the battle at the wall & the aftermath?

I'm afraid what comes next.

We shudda sealed the tunnels!

it was not from the book

This isn't going to take long, is it?

And, Ser Aliser Thorne became something of a leader.

What was Ygritte's last words?

assuming to the Maester to try to patch him up after his duel with Tormund.

Ygritte's last words were, "you know nothing, Jon Snow"

Ygritte was dead when Jon found her.

because then they'd never be able to go north of the Wall again. Sealing the tunnel would be generally permanent. I also thought that Jon had command of the whole battle, but maybe it was just what went on atop the Wall. For some reason I can't remember where Sam, Gilly, Thorne and Slynt were during the battle or what they were doing. And I just read the whole battle part in book 4 a few days ago for like the fourth time!

on the tunnels. I know Jon was instrumental in fighting off the initial raid with Ygritte and Tormund - I think he was also unsure if he was the one that killed Ygritte or if it was somebody else. In the book, that happened before Mance's full attack, if I recall.

I'm not sure if Ser Alliser was off with the Old Pomegranate, Bowen Marsh, going after the wilding diversionary raiders or not?

at the Wall that went on for 2 or 3 days in the books since I've forgotten so much. I do remember that Jon saw Ygritte fall but never knew who killed her, and the book doesn't tell you who killed her - it was just someone that was part of the battle. He went to find her body during a lull, and did a bit of a goodbye and burned her like she wanted so she wouldn't come back as the undead.

I definitely remember that Thorne and Slynt got the idea to send Jon out to talk to Mance hoping he'd get killed, but I don't remember if that was during a lull or after Stannis and his army already saved the day. Though Tormond wasn't captured in the books like he was in the show it was him that brings Jon in to talk to Mance.

Oh wait, I just remembered they sent Jon out before Stannis came because just as Mance and he start talking Stannis shows up, his wife Dalla was having his baby in the tent, so Jon stayed behind at the tent to protect her, and that's when Mance was captured by Stannis' army. That's how Jon ended up negotiating with Tormond.

The creepy Thenn that rode the white bear and controlled the shadow cats (whose name escapes me) was wounded, lost control of his animals and dies in the wilderness though he tries to extend his life by skinchanging into another animal... that's how book 5 begins. Was this the same Thenn that in the show was warging with the owl on the Wall? Damned if I can remember his name.

I wonder if the show is going to have Wun-Wun the giant they capture that ends up being a convenient workhorse for the Watch. I liked Wun-Wun.

before Stannis showed up. The chaos of his arrival allowed him to get out and also (I think) capture Mance's wife and her sister.

so it was only her attractive sister, Val, that was also captured. Jon seemed to have big eyes for her.

I never saw that much point in any of that in the books either. I'm still not sure if Sam will be sent to Oldtown or not, but maybe he will since he did say that where ever Gilly goes he'll go, too. And Gilly has to go somewhere.

an important role in Book 5?

I think Sam will be sent to Oldtown - it's seemingly pretty important later on.

She was basically just a prisoner with Stannis believing that she was a princess just because she was the sister to Mance's wife. Pretty ridiculous seeing as Dalla and Mance wouldn't have married in the first place unless it was some wilding ceremony before a weirwood tree (which neither Stannis nor Melissandre believe is a real religion anyway), and Mance was no king in the first place - he was just a deserter from the Night's Watch that declared himself to be King Beyond the Wall. Other than a possible new love interest for Jon (and I doubt at this point he'd go there) I'm not seeing anything useful about her other than someone for Melissandre to fry.

She also had something to do with finding I think it was Tormond to convince him to negotiate. After that though what purpose does she have?

According to HBO's casting call for next season they aren't looking for anyone for the Val character. That reminds me, they added a few casting calls though these are as yet unconfirmed by HBO:

Varamyr: Dubbed Varamyr Sixskins in the book series, the wildling skinchanger initially appears in A Storm of Swords when he takes possession of the late Orell’s eagle, and takes on his scout role as well with Mance Rayder’s army. The book describes Varamyr as a small man, bald and grey-faced with round shoulders. The show is supposedly looking to cast an actor in the 35-45 year old age range. It’s unclear what position Varamyr will take on in the fifth season as his introduction point in the books has already passed in the show.

Imogen: A 12 year old blonde girl. It’s speculated that this may actually be the casting call for young Cersei. Given that there is no Imogen in the books, and we’ve heard that Game of Thrones is auditioning girls for the role of young Cersei, this seems likely.

Brunette girl: 12 years old. There’s no additional information about this part. For book-related possibilities, our best guess with regards to the role is probably Melara, a girl involved in young Cersei’s story with the fortuneteller Maggy the Frog.


It is starting to look to me that Sam will be going to Oldtown. But that's only because of what he said to Gilly about where ever she goes he goes with her.

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Alliser returns from his mission to King's Landing, and reports for duty at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea. Jeor Mormont had apparently transferred him there prior to the Great Ranging. [5] Cotter Pyke sends several men from Eastwatch to reinforce Castle Black, while the Siege continues. Among them are Alliser and Janos Slynt. [5] Jon Snow is soon pulled from his bed, transferred to the solar of the King's Tower. There several brothers wait him. Most are strangers, though he recognizes Maester Aemon, Cellador, Wynton Stout, and Alliser Thorne. He notices that the former master-at-arms looks immaculate in his fur-trimmed cloak and polished boots. [5]

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The war begins. They're storming the wall.

has been unbelievably boring. They may have 1 or 2 decent scenes an episode and the rest filler. I have already changed the channel on tonight's episode.

I think this season has been the best season, by far.

then you should stop watching altogether.

The books present such a wide number of story lines and characters that it becomes hard to stay that interested in the show as a whole. It seems like they have an episode that focuses on one area of the book and then they rush the next week to cover some material on another plot line. They used to have a better balance between the various plot lines. This is one of the rare times I regret giving up my DVR so that I could fast forward through some of the story lines. I prefer a balancing act between several plots instead of an entire episode focused on one. By the time they got back to the wall plot line - who cares. I kept flipping the channel. Thank god I am only paying $5 per month for HBO. If it were not for the discount price and True Blood starting up soon for the last season I would have cancelled HBO by now. I think in the future I will wait for the Library to get the GOT series on DVD so that I can fast forward to the decent scenes.

since Blackwater. That was a big episode.

HBO sets itself apart from the other premium networks, Netflix, Hulu, Roku, etc.

they're still the leader in creative series'

Oh well, there's always next week!

I find the goings on at the wall the least interesting part of the show. At least until the White Walkers come. So I was a little disappointed that the whole episode took place there. I can't believe the season is about over already..

If there was CGI involved, I don't want to know.

I dug the episode. The bit with the gate defenders chanting the oath of the Night's Watch was thrilling.

Maybe the best this season. I'm surprised to hear myself saying that because I was getting a little tired of the goings on at The Wall. I thought I was losing interest, but this episode pulled me back in and I was on the edge of my seat.

The storyline I've really lost interest in is Dany's. If she doesn't have a dragon beside her, I just don't want to see her. I couldn't be less interested in her new boyfriend, or her struggles to govern the city. It's all feeling very repetitive and not particularly engaging.

It does seem like they have a LOT to pack into next week's finale. I hope it doesn't feel rushed.

That is what happens when they focus each episode on one story line at a time instead of balancing between several. Arya and the Hound has had little air time this season. Who cares about Dany's at this point. I find the wall utterly boring. Give us a little more Stannis. Oberon's fight with the Mountain was rushed. Cersei is same old same old, nothing ever new there, she is just a one trick pony. Where is Lady Stoneheart?

supposed to clock in at 66 minutes, which is 15 minutes longer than the previous two episodes. So, hopefully, they can do it all justice.

I thought so before this season even started. She has to be included in the last episode since one of the official posters HBO put out was one of her. Google posters for season 4. I couldn't link to the actual photo here because it's huge, but it's one of the first photos on the page.

Even in the books I didn't give a rat's butt about Dany in Mereen except for finding out she lost control of the dragons. She did have to be doing something though while waiting for her dragons to get big enough to ride. I have a feeling that her part ends this season with her finding out that one of her dragons ate a child and possibly including having her decide she has to lock them up (if they can be caught).

to resolve the Meereenese Knot... The Battle of Meereen and its immediate aftermath should have ended A Dance with Dragons, with Dany shipping out to Westeros at the end.

She's still in Mereen at the end of book 5?

They're gonna have to skip way more shit than they're already skipping just to keep it interesting for the TV show.

You could consider them one huge 2,000 page book if you wanted. Dany does not appear at all in book 4, and nor do two other major characters whose fate is going to be decided next week.

I guess it makes sense that they die in the battle though since in the books after that point though they survived they were basically forgotten about. It was strange having both Thorne and Slynt there though since in the books they were somewhere else. I don't remember where - maybe at some other castle on the Wall. In the show though it looks like Slynt will meet his end the same way, but for deserting the battle instead of refusing the commander's decision for him to work on putting to rights one of the other castles and helping to keep it manned. I like it better that he turns out to be a big chicken and runs and hides.

I also don't remember in the books that Sam and Gilly were at Castle Black during the battle, but I'm sure they were sent away afterward, so I can't think where either of them were or what they were doing during the battle the whole 2 or 3 day battle. I just read the whole battle again, too, and started on book five again, so I should know this. Man, I'm going to have to read that whole part again (though I already have about four times!).


I still think though that they could have done away with some battle scenes and put in some stuff going on in Westeros. Though it was good, I just think it wasn't so great taking up the whole episode. It was exciting though with some stuff that didn't happen in the books like the archers lowered over the Wall so they could shoot down at the climbers and that really cool giant scythe that swept them off the wall in bits and pieces. Man, can you even imagine being one of those poor guys lowered over the Wall like that??? How could they possibly shoot straight much less keep from crapping their pants!

As for the last episode, I think they'll have to deal with Tyrion and some more deaths (don't want to say too much about that because of big spoilers), the Hound dying and Arya taking a new path, Dany discovering one of her dragons ate someone and having to lock them up, Lady Stoneheart making an appearance, Bran reaching the three-eyed raven, and I'm betting that the end of the season for the Wall already happened in this last episode though I was hoping it would end with Stannis coming in with his army to save the day. Might still happen but I doubt it.

was that he had basically disappeared from the book for at least a few hundred pages after Davos had convinced him that to be a king, he must first act like a king should...

and, then we get "Stannis! Stannis! Stannis!!" when he re-appears. You had nearly forgotten about him by then.

There is the fortress, backed up by the wall. And the wall is the way to go on to the South. But, didn't they say that the wildings were already south of the wall? And if they're south of the wall, what's the point of taking Castle Black?

with Jon Snow. They were the group that attacked the actual castle. They were actually supposed to surprise and overwhelm the defenses at Castle Black so Mance & company would have an easy (or easier) time of it.

So they're hitting the fortress from the entrance, which is on the south side of the wall, not the north side. That's what makes the tunnels so important.

Ha, I love that Serio Farrel expression instead of say "yes" or "exactly".

Castle Black is one of 19 castles along the entire length of the Wall and is in the center. The Kings Road start (or ends depending on what direction you're going) at Castle Black. The furthest castle to the east is called East Watch by the Sea which is where the Wall ends at the ocean (same ocean as the Narrow Sea though that part of it isn't called the Narrow Sea - it's called the Bay of Seals though technically it isn't a bay). On the west side of the Wall the second to last castle is called the Shadowtower. Castle Black, East Watch by the Sea and the Shadowtower are the only castles along the Wall that are manned. Most of the others have fallen into major disrepair. The last castle on the west side of the Wall is called West Watch by the Bridge which is beside a huge gorge called The Gorge (really inventive title, I know). There doesn't seem to be any bridge there though if there ever was. There probably was at some point though given the name of this most western castle on the Wall. That one is one of the abandoned ones though.

The Bay of Seals has a big island directly across from the Wall on the east side about halfway across the sea to the continent of Essos (where the Dothraki and all the slave cities are and where Dany is). This island is called Skagos, and is inhabited by wild dangerous peoples, so no one wants to land there but go around it to continue on to the continent of Essos. Further north of the Bay of Seals the ocean is called the Shivering Sea. It's so far north that it's likely that no one from south of the Wall even those from the Night's Watch have been there. Bran seems to have traveled north that far, but it's difficult to tell. It's REALLY cold like the arctic though it's not even winter there yet. Technically, the Narrow Sea, the Bay of Seals and Shivering Sea are all one ocean that gets wider the farther north one goes, and is very narrow further south of the Wall where the southern lands of Westeros are across to the continent of Essos compared to the much wider Bay of Seals and the Shivering Sea, hence why it's named the Narrow Sea. Where ever one is though in Westeros, north or south, it's the Narrow Sea one would want to use to get across to Essos even though one must use a lot of land travel north or south since that part of the ocean is so narrow but mostly because of the much more mild temperatures.

All the castles of the Wall are on the south side of it. Even the three that are manned don't have much in the way of walls for defense since on the south side there's not much that needs defending... it isn't the south side that anyone is worried about. These walls are mostly made of wood and snow/ice banks that are more useful to keep out wind more than defense since stuff like the stable, the forge, etc. are all within the inner compound within the light walls along with small castle keeps like the one for the Lord Commander, the barracks for the men, the library, the kitchens, the armory, store rooms, eating hall, etc. In the books, the interior of the whole tower of the Lord Commander's burned when Jon Snow saved Commander Mormont from the wight (the creepy dead men come to life) by burning him up.

Each of the castles has a tunnel through the Wall to get to the north side of it, but the castles that were abandoned were sealed with rocks and water turned to ice before they were abandoned. That's why Sam and Gilly had to use a secret tunnel through a well at the castle called the Nightfort which is 3 or 4 castles down on the west side of the Wall from Castle Black in order to get through the Wall back to the south side of it so they could get back to Castle Black after running away from Craster's. Sam called this secret tunnel a sally port.

All around Castle Black are other tunnels inside the Wall so they can get to different parts of the whole compound without having to go outside. They called them something like rat warrens. But there's only one tunnel that connects the south side of the Wall to the north side with gates at each end to get outside the inside of the Wall. All the other castles likely are set up the same way which is why when each was abandoned centuries or more ago all they need do was seal the main tunnel with the gates at either side since the "rat warrens" were only interior tunnels to get around within the castle compound.

Only in the third book, A Storm of Swords, was there a map that showed the North that included all the info about the Wall with all its castles as well as both the south side North and the north side North. In the tv show and the books, the world basically "ends" at the Wall for most peoples in Westeros, and even for the men of the Night's Watch only very little of the north beyond the Wall has been relatively explored. But that's because most of the land north of the Wall is like the arctic.

I find it difficult that someone who went through this much trouble to invent this incredible setting, doesn't know where this story is going to end. I suppose we all know what the origin of the fire and ice theme comes from, and how that will likely end. But I wonder if Martin still hasn't decided who gets to win the game of thrones?

Maybe not the exact details, but, in general, the "bittersweet" ending he has mentioned.

He's just not sure about how to arrive there right now. And, I'm guessing the details will probably change as he continues to write, as he says he is the "gardener" style of writer - he plants seeds and sees how they germinate as he writes, and if he likes what he sees, he continues, if he doesn't then he starts again, or rewrites something.

Is there talk of a ghost writer in case he doesn't make it to the end?

How horrible to think that could happen. But I certainly understand why it takes so long to come up with a manuscript.

I'm not sure how his health is. He had some health problems several years back, but I have not heard anything since.

I think his wife might have some of his notes, but I also don't think he's likely to have extensively detailed notes like Robert Jordan. Elio - the guy who runs westeros.org - probably has a pretty good idea of the ending as well.

I think it was a written interview rather than a video one (he's done lots) he mentions that when he's writing he just goes on with the story in his head not knowing where things will eventually lead or how things end. That would explain his many tangents of expanding the whole story and adding new characters and plots but without moving along previous stories and plots or having a clue how it all winds up. It's also what unfortunately (to me) made the books really tedious at times with whole new characters and plots I had no interest in. I think the tv show does a better job of cutting out characters and plots that he abandoned in the books and keeping things moving forward on course. Yes, you lose a lot of background and stuff, but I think it's a rather small price to pay.

He is an engaging writer whatever his various nowhere characters and plots go, but a lot of times it makes you feel like you're reading a whole other book that just happens to deal with the same world. I think his engaging writing is his only saving grace. Still, there were many times I wanted to throw which ever book I was plowing through across the room. Book 4, A Feast for Crows, pissed me off so much for completely omitting so many of the characters and plots that he cliff hanged on in book 3, I almost didn't bother reading it at all. If it wasn't for the chapters that moved things along for some of the characters I would have. Even still, I could barely stand slogging through all the rubbish about the Ironborn and the people in Dorne and did only to try finding out something that was happening with the other characters and plots I actually cared about. Then in book 5, most of it is the same time period covered in book 4 but with the characters that you wanted to find out about back at the end of book 3. But there was also some overlap - so much so that some scenes are entirely repeated but just from the point of view of a different character than the first time around in book 4, and in some cases there were characters you already knew about while reading book 5 in what happened with them yet the book is the same time period as book 4, so you learned about them then. It was just idiotic to split books 4 and 5 by geography rather than by time. Martin could have culled out soooo much unnecessary crap in both books and still made it just one exceptionally fat book compared to the others.

Had I known about books 4 and 5 being split the way they were I would have read the chapters in both books at the same time that made the stories all move forward since I did have both books before reading them... I didn't have any of them or even found out there WERE books until after all 5 were already out.

I'm also amazed that Martin writes off the top of his head and doesn't even have an outline of the various plots and where they go and how the series ends. And if you ask me it's reflected in his writing of this series. Honestly, some characters and plots I think he just totally forgot about.

And you're very welcome. You'd probably like Pompeii that I linked to above that stars Kit Harrington who plays Jon Snow. He must have filmed that on his down time from Game of Thrones.

Although I am not into long battle scenes this was a good one, well done.

I do NOT want The Hound to die. Rory McCann has been astounding at portraying him as a complex yet still incredibly horrible person and I just love watching him.

whether Arya gives him the gift of mercy or not. I always did rather like him even from the beginning since he did try to help both the Stark girls and saved Loras Tyrell from being killed in the joust by his brother right after he whacked off his own horse's head. This season I got to really like him though, and I just know I'm going to be really upset when he goes. I already got misty-eyed with his conversation with Arya when she wanted to burn out his neck wound so it wouldn't get infected.

Though now I don't want him to die, he has to for Arya's new path in her life, and there's already been a lot of foreshadowing with that. Still, he was another character that I was kind of hoping they'd change the story for the tv show and have him live.

As angry and horrible as he was he still had some normalcy and tenderness way down deep. He was just so consumed by his hatred and anger since he was a boy because of the incident with his brother frying his face that he became such a hateful and awful person for the most part.

he has done a massively effective job of portraying a nasty character and showing the humanity in him making him a very sympathetic character. I would never in a million years have guessed I would like that character but I do, oh yes I will cry along with you. That scene was done so well when we was talking with Arya. I will really miss him. Must look for projects McCann has been involved in.

He was talking and laughing about it in an interview with some other cast members I think after season one. He's really quite funny.

Never in a million years did I think I'd really like the Hound this much. I was only slightly miffed when he died in the book and got over it quickly. Oberyn was another character that I didn't care about in the book, but the actor made me just love him.

I'm not going to be able to stand his death in the show. So far, the most painful death for me was actually Maester Lewin, but I just know Sandor's death will be the kicker for me.

he was such a good character in the book particularly.

I actually have concern over certain characters I really really like. They may be pretty despicable, Tyrion for one, but I can't stand the thought. He keeps me in stitches sometimes, love his wit all the way through. Jon Snow is another good soul I will be sad to see go. Left with great concern after reading the last book.

I have recently started re-reading the books. Slow going since I already know what is going on and I have much to do this time of year but I am catching things I missed the first time. For a series this long (so far) to be re-reading already it must have really taken great hold on me.

that Melissandre saves Jon or he lives anyway. I can't imagine him being killed off since the whole Wall story goes down the potty with nothing but minor characters without him. And Melissandre seems to believe he's important. And no one will really care who his real mother is once he's dead, so I just don't see him going anywhere - at least not yet.

I do think though that Martin having him shot up/sliced up twice is a bit much but he's also hinted at Jon's parentage, and I just don't see that having any use if he's dead.

Tyrion will probably go till the end. I fairly sure that Martin had mentioned that the character of Tyrion was himself.

I've re-read the books four times now (just started the fifth one) and I still can't remember a lot of stuff.

That is how little I know. I forgot about all of that. Of course Jon has to continue for a while at least, you are so right about that.

I had never heard that about Tyrion being Martin. I adore that character.

Glad to know that after one reading I am not too stupid to remember stuff. Glad to know the learning curve on this is much greater than once.

And even though in book 4 I just read about the whole battle on the Wall, I STILL can't remember key stuff like where Thorne and Slynt were during apparently part of it or Sam or Gilly, and I know Sam and Gilly would have had to have been there. But maybe nothing much about them were mentioned since the books are written in certain character's own view, and the battle was all in Jon Snow's view, so I guess he wouldn't have known what everyone else was doing either.

Also, though I've read them so many times this last time I had to make a note of who Bowen Marsh was. All I remembered was that he was one of the men of the Night's Watch but couldn't recall which one. So, he's the one that was a steward and kept track of all their stores particularly the food stores. I also can't remember the name of the Thenn that was a skinchanger and road the white bear and had the shadow cats follow him around. If it wasn't for the maps and the big section in the back of each book that lists who everyone is I'd really be lost.

I also think sometimes I get confused in what I saw in the tv show and what I read in the books since so much of it was different between the two.

I still can't find that interview where Martin was asked if he put himself into one of the characters, and I'm sure he said it was Tyrion. It was one of those long interviews in front of a live audience with many cast members, Martin and the two show writers where members of the audience asked questions of whoever they wanted. I'll keep trying to find it on YouTube again though because I want to be absolutely certain he said he made Tyrion as his "self" character.

I'm putting it in spoiler code just in case people are scrolling through the entire thread and don't see the headlines:

[font color=white] Early in the book, there is a tavern called The Belly of the Whale. Later, Jon enters the Shield Hall at Castle Black to give his big speech and it is described almost like the belly of a huge whale dark, and with the beams like the ribcage, etc. Jon - like the biblical Jonah - has entered the belly of the whale, and will emerge reborn and a better man in the end and with a greater sense of purpose. Whether that is with Melisandre resurrecting him, or him warging into Ghost, or a combination of both, remains to be seen.[/font]

Assuming Jon is the son of a king, doesn't he have magical blood properties? Perhaps Melisandre will use that to heal him?



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IF Jon can warg, is it possible that he will have the skill and power to control the dragons?

but, I'm guessing it will be Bran that can do that... the book has been hinted at it with his visions, where they often say that he won't walk again, but he will fly.

spoilers:

[font color=white] Tywin & Shae dying, and the Hound seeming to die. [/font]

Though he will. They just BETTER have you-know-who croak before this season ends.

In the preview I just noticed that it looks like Brienne's armor attached to the person that the Hound and Arya meet up with though the background looks like they're in the Vale. Those two meeting up as well as what goes on with Lady Stoneheart now has me thrown for loop.

I'd still like to see Slynt get his, too, this season, but it looks doubtful.

The one character I REALLY can't wait to go is Melissandre, the creepy, annoying and always naked Red Woman... I can't stand her! She bugs me way more in the show than she even did in the books.

she's going to play a key role with what happened with Jon at the end of Dance.

in the books or the show. I hate her religion and her magic and her smugness and as much as I would like to like Stannis, this stops me cold. I am not sure he is really into it all but then I think he is, then not but at some point one would think he had the moral fortitude to stop her damned burning of people. Holy crap that makes me sick every time I read it and it was horrible to watch on TV. Whoever plays her does a great job but oh I hate that character.

We're getting more of Bloodraven this season than the voice we've already heard. The Emmy ballets for this episode lists a man embedded in a tree with several prostheses for award consideration.

According to the same ballot, we will also be getting to see just how much of a mess Oberyn left Gregor Clegane before his own misstep in the duel.

I'm a visual learner.

Some good one's in the list...

Here’s the 2014 Game of Thrones submission list:

Outstanding Drama Series

Outstanding Writing for a Drama Series- "The Children"

Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series- Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Charles Dance, Peter Dinklage, Kit Harington

Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series - Emilia Clarke, Natalie Dormer, Lena Headey, Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams

Guest Actor in a Drama Series: Pedro Pascal

Guest Actress in a Drama Series: Diana Rigg *(played Lady Olenna)

Outstanding Casting for a Drama Series

Outstanding Costumes: "The Lion and the Rose"

Outstanding Prosthetic Make-up: "The Children"

Stunt Coordination for a Drama Series, Miniseries or Movie


Lots more at the list here:

http://winteriscoming.net/2014/06/09/game-thrones-emmy-submissions-season-4/

Be gentle - I'm still learning - and this has a LOT of work still left to do before I even start dyeing it...

Oh ok, don't be gentle - if you see a glaring problem let me know! lol I'll never learn if I keep just making stuff with no critique... I didn't make a whole new thread though because I figured if you're in this thread you are more likely to be interested than the general public...





I drew everything but the wolf head logo - i printed that form the internet as I wanted it to be as exact as possible...still have a lot of carving and tooling to do though...

the direwolf and weirwood trees are excellent.

I was pretty proud of the tree. I just hope I don;t screw it up when tooling it...lol

The tree with the face and roots is fabulous! And you did that all by hand just drawing it. I'm so impressed!

What's that part above the wolf head logo going to be? It looks a little like the bottom of a banner? Would you be doing a picture of the Ned's sword "Ice" or Jon Snow's "Longclaw"? I don't know if there's any real evidence of what Ice looked like though, but the show at least had some good shots of the pommel of Longclaw.

Could you show more progress photos and then when it's finished?

This is going to be really awesome looking.

How do you do the transfer of the drawing onto the leather? I've never found anything that was very good at transferring drawn pictures onto fabric to embroider or bead whether it's special paper or transfer pens or pencils, and the iron on stuff turned out to be the worst.

but I couldn't find one good enough to let me draw it accurately...I found a lot of pictures of swords that claimed to be Ice but they were all different from each other so I couldn't decide how to do it.

The part above the logo will be what we like to call "decorative filler" lol...

To transfer I just wet the leather and trace what I've drawn with a stylus/modeling spoon. It leaves enough indentation to follow with the swivel knife.

I will definitely take pics as I go along and post up the finished strap when I'm done...and thanks!

I will try to make sure it's still beautiful when I'm done (plenty of opportunity left so mess it up lol)