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TexasTowelie

(111,980 posts)
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:17 AM Jun 2014

25 years after Berlin Wall fell, Lenin's image still divides

Last edited Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:04 AM - Edit history (1)



SCHWERIN, Germany - In the 25 years since the Berlin Wall fell, historian Ralf Wendt has watched much of his former life vanish.

The museum he curated that tells Schwerin's 1,000-year history was a national treasure in communist East Germany. But once East Germany merged with West Germany, it was just an unprofitable remnant and its once-admired exhibits were hauled off to storage.

Change came elsewhere too. The public art that this East German provincial capital had proudly displayed during 40 years of socialism was deemed uninteresting to a capitalist world. Piece by piece, it was removed and hidden away. In one case, a school janitor decided on his own to take down and bury a statue of Karl Marx, the German father of socialism.

Now Wendt is watching with chagrin as the one of the last markers of the East German era comes under attack: a towering memorial to the founder of Soviet communism, Vladimir Lenin, that stands on a small residential square. It may be the last of its kind in Western Europe. A growing movement wants it torn down.

More at http://www.caller.com/news/national/25-years-after-berlin-wall-fell-lenins-image-still-divides .

ETA: This article is not posted to suggest that he is a progressive to be admired. However, he was a follower of Marx and implemented social policy that vastly differs from the policies espoused by Marx.
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25 years after Berlin Wall fell, Lenin's image still divides (Original Post) TexasTowelie Jun 2014 OP
Lenin was responsible for a lot of suffering. DetlefK Jun 2014 #1
Hi--this is a protected group. Please read the SOP for this forum: Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #2
This wasn't about the merits of socialism/communism. DetlefK Jun 2014 #3
If you are critiquing his policies it is not "beyond the political realm" - TBF Jun 2014 #4
Just to be clear: DetlefK Jun 2014 #5
To be clear, this is a protected group. Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #6
Wow. I never knew DU had a thought-police. DetlefK Jun 2014 #7
Bye! Starry Messenger Jun 2014 #8
For anyone who is confused - TBF Jun 2014 #9

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
1. Lenin was responsible for a lot of suffering.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:34 AM
Jun 2014

The communist modus operandi of spying on its own citizens and controlling them through fear: Lenin invented that.

The famines of 1920-1922 and the hundreds of thousands of deaths it caused: Lenin's policies caused that.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
3. This wasn't about the merits of socialism/communism.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:55 AM
Jun 2014

My post was about the decisions of a famous politician and their catastrophic consequences beyond the political realm.

TBF

(32,017 posts)
4. If you are critiquing his policies it is not "beyond the political realm" -
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jun 2014

your red-baiting is NOT welcome here.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. Just to be clear:
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 05:14 AM
Jun 2014

1. I'm not interested in any red-baiting or deeper discussionabout socialism.

2. It is explicitly forbidden to mention political decisions of socialist politicians in this forum?

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
6. To be clear, this is a protected group.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 07:00 AM
Jun 2014

If you wish to, you have the rest of DU to "mention" in.

If you aren't in here in support of the SOP, which is about productive discussion of socialism, then this forum is not for you.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
7. Wow. I never knew DU had a thought-police.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 07:24 AM
Jun 2014

Btw, your signature contains a link to the "History of the Communist Party of the United States". But it's forbidden to refer to the history of the communist party of Russia in this sub-forum.

TBF

(32,017 posts)
9. For anyone who is confused -
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 08:50 AM
Jun 2014

there is a welcome message at the top of our threads that we encourage folks to read BEFORE they post in our little socialist haven here. The main forums of DU allow much more freedom in bashing socialists/communists if that is your desire - but not here in this little group.

Here is our view:

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