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Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:34 PM Jun 2014

Tweed Amp Build Thread... For those interested

Dunno if anyone is interested in this sort of stuff, but here goes...

Last year I built a Tweed Champ 5F1 for a buddy of mine. It sounded pretty awesome, and he was pleased...
I've been playing a Phaez SIBLY (look them up, handmade amps by Randy Fay in Canada) for about 3 years now, and have loved it... It's based on Page's SuperLead from The Song Remains The Same (SIBLY=Since I've Been Loving You), but scaled down to 18 watts.

I borrowed my buddy's Champ for a recording session that never happened, but ended up using it at band practice for a couple weeks, plugged into a 12" WGS Retro 30, and man! I was in love... Then he picked it back up. This was 6 months ago.

For the past 6 months, I've been trying to dial those tones into the SIBLY with zero success (and why would I succeed, they're different beasts). I have been obsessed with this tone, and I need Tweed tone.

I build custom effects pedals for local guys (so, maybe 4-5/yr), and got a call the other day and a guy ordered 2 pedals from me (which means 3 already this year, plus a 4th one pending deposit), so I used the profits to built a 5F2 Tweed Princeton. I ordered the MojoTone small parts kit (to save time), and a pair of ClassicTone transformers. I have an old Dean Markley 8" practice amp that's been dead in a corner, so I've stripped it out and started building...

You'll note my crude faceplate. All I had was some thin sheet metal, and as soon as it hit the drill press, it started to crinkle. Gonna get a real faceplate made in the coming weeks. Aside from that, everything is coming together nicely. It'll be a TIGHT fit, but it'll sound good in the end.

*NERD STUFF* Modifications include: switchable impedance (4 & 8ohm), negative feedback switchable, 3 way switch on the tone circuit (stock, off, bright), improved grounding, center tapped heaters.

Sadly, I have to take a break for a couple days, as there's a Rhodes on my bench in need of repair, but I'll be back at it this weekend.

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Tweed Amp Build Thread... For those interested (Original Post) Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 OP
Dude! That is so cool! Iggo Jun 2014 #1
That looks like fun! iscooterliberally Jun 2014 #2
Not too difficult. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #3
Tubes arrived... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #4
what in the world is wrong with you? 8 track mind Jun 2014 #5
Some people go overboard... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #6
LOL 8 track mind Jun 2014 #7
Yeah... Recording space works wonders... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #8
Poly Caps 8 track mind Jun 2014 #9
Looks like the Mallorys and the SoZo and the CDE are all the same... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #10
Moving right along... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #11
AWESOME..... clarice Jun 2014 #12
My homemade Les Paul copy... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #13
Now THAT is a beautiful guitar !!!! clarice Jun 2014 #14
Also, I would like your opinion... clarice Jun 2014 #15
Well, do you need analog or digital delay? Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #17
I've used a few Behringer pedals...not bad for the price... clarice Jun 2014 #18
It was mostly transparent... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #16
OK, it's been awhile since I updated... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #20
And here's a quick demo of the amp... Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2014 #21

iscooterliberally

(2,860 posts)
2. That looks like fun!
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:14 PM
Jun 2014

I'm kind of a retired bass player, but I love old tube guitar amps. I have an old Marshall JMP100 that I got off of ebay. The ohm selector switch was busted and someone hard wired it to 16 ohms. I just pulled the two outside tubes so I could drop it to 8 ohms and plug it into this THD cab that I had. The tone was wonderful. I lent it to my old guitar player who's still out their playing. I'm going to get back into it, but I have to get a new bass amp. I'd love to learn how to build my own amp from scratch. I'll have to figure out how to make time for it though. I work full time and have a menagerie of rescued critters at home. I hope that you find the tone that you are looking for! Keep on rockin'!

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
4. Tubes arrived...
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 07:20 PM
Jun 2014

RCA 6V6GTA and a Sylvania 5Y3GT for the power and rectifier, respectively... Got a few 12AX7's for the preamp laying around...

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8 track mind

(1,638 posts)
5. what in the world is wrong with you?
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 09:55 PM
Jun 2014

If you are going to go to all of that trouble you have to use PCB laden Sprauge "bumble bee" caps, and smooth plate telefunken 12ax7's.

My lord what is the world coming to.....




Just kidding, i build tube amps as well and your work looks very nice including the old Fender tie point circuit arrangement.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
6. Some people go overboard...
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 09:16 AM
Jun 2014

I use carbon comp resistors because I have tons on hand (my grandfather owned a TV repair biz in the 70s-early 80s, and he recently gave me everything that he still had left, which was bins full of carbon comps, and a bunch of diodes and transistors. Orange drops are good enough for anybody, and TAD and Mojotone power filter caps are just fine... It's funny how much of the hi-fi snakeoil has seeped into the guitar world. It's a lofi instrument running through a lofi amp. Wire it right, use the shortest signal paths, and it's gonna sound good.

Have you priced bumblebee caps lately? Jeez. People want a fortune for them. Same with the Sprague tropical fish caps.

The tie point board makes troubleshooting so easy. I've done true point to point, and it's a PITA to troubleshoot. Turret boards are too expensive, and I HATE etching PCB. Hell, I build all my pedals on stripboard just to avoid etching a PCB.

8 track mind

(1,638 posts)
7. LOL
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 02:01 PM
Jun 2014

I have never, ever, used or reused a bumble bee cap. Those things are just toxic if they start leaking (which they do). The oil in them do contain PCB's. Nasty stuff.

The Sprauge orange drops are quite good and i use them in my old radio restorations and guitar amp restorations, but if i'm going HiFi i prefer the yellow polypropylene caps. I usually get mine out of old computer equipment from the 80's. I have used oil filled motor starter cap's in a power supply section before (Pi network) and was really really pleased with the results.

Another good source of B+ filtering caps is the newer switch mode computer power supplies. They usually have a 200uF cap rated at 450VDC that lasts for years.

Back to the champ, i do have an original tweed. Scored it at a flea market in Paris Texas for $25. It had been sitting in an attic for years.

There is nothing sweeter than the distortion out of one of those amps. A friend and i once took that thing and did a Jimmy Page trick with it. We set it at the end of a small hallway with one mic up close and another mic at the the end of the hallway. Once we played around with the levels between the two, the sound was just unreal.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
8. Yeah... Recording space works wonders...
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 02:10 PM
Jun 2014

As long as you have good sounding space...

Cool score on the Tweed Champ! I almost picked one up for $100, but it was bought within SECONDS of being posted on Craigslist.

I've never used bumblebees, either. I have used a ton of Sprague Vitamin Q PIO caps with good results. Along with some old Atlas caps (those things leak like crazy, however). My current amp (made by Randy Fay of Phaez Amps in Canada) has the reproduction yellow props: SoZo Yellow Mustards. They sound just like the Mallory 150s, though.

8 track mind

(1,638 posts)
9. Poly Caps
Sun Jun 8, 2014, 08:51 PM
Jun 2014

CDE, the industrial electronics suppliers, make the yellow poly caps. i think they are still widely available from Allied electronics and digi-key. It's been a while since i bought some.

I have some programs called Tube Cad that have been incredibly helpful to me when designing SE amp stages or driver stages. I do have a bunch of sweep tubes and compactrons that i would like to try in the audio relm, just for the fun of it.

Awesome to meet someone who is into this hobby!

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
10. Looks like the Mallorys and the SoZo and the CDE are all the same...
Mon Jun 9, 2014, 02:51 PM
Jun 2014

With the CDE being cheaper...

I need to check out TubeCad. As of now, I just use old 1950s Fender schematics, and tweak them to my liking. Would love to design one from the ground up. Also, may be building an Ampeg B-15N flip top clone for a buddy (an original is !500+, and the reissues are like 3g's) soon...

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
11. Moving right along...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 08:18 AM
Jun 2014

Well, haven't had a lot of spare time, but yesterday I made some progress. Ran the heater wires, ran the rectifier wires, mounted output tranny, tube sockets, wired up the controls, and wired up the output. Just a handful of things left to do here...

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clarice

(5,504 posts)
12. AWESOME.....
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jun 2014

Question: What guitar are you playing through this amp?

FWIW I had a Dr Z Maz 38 for the last couple of years, but it was just TOO much amp.
I bought a Fender special edition Humboldt Blues Jr. It came with a Cannabis Rex hemp speaker.
What an amp !!!!!!! I can definitely get "tweed" out of that speaker with a Fender Tele and
a Fulltone OCD pedal.
Hope this helps.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
13. My homemade Les Paul copy...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:59 PM
Jun 2014

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It's based on a '59 Paul. Solid mahogany body, 3/4 carved maple cap, flame maple veneer. Mahogany neck, rosewood board. Hand-rubbed faded amberburst, nitrocellulose lacquer top coat. 50's wiring. CTS pots, Russian PIO caps, Seymour Duncan Antiquity Humbuckers.

My bassist has a Blues Deluxe that he dropped a Cannabis Rex in. Sounds wicked. I currently run through a Phaez SIBLY w/ 1x12 cab. And a bunch of pedals I've either made or modified (wah, Dist, OctaveFuzz, Octave down, EQ, Phase)...

This isn't my first build. Built a tweed Champ for a buddy awhile back. Love the sounds I can get out of these.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
14. Now THAT is a beautiful guitar !!!!
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:33 PM
Jun 2014

I'm afraid to ask...but..... how much would you charge to make a guitar like that ?

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
15. Also, I would like your opinion...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:37 PM
Jun 2014

I'm looking for a delay pedal. I am DEFINITELY not a pedal tweeker. I like to set it and forget it...especially delay. Can you recommend a nice, easy to use pedal that won't break the bank?

example....The Boss Delay is way more complicated than I would like.
Thanks

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
17. Well, do you need analog or digital delay?
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 06:06 PM
Jun 2014

I used a shitty Behringer VD-400 Analog Delay for a few years with good success. Real easy to dial something in.
ElectroHarmonix makes the MemoryToy, which is pretty simple...

But TBH, I really liked the BOSS DD-7. I don't really use delay anymore, however.

As far as building the guitar, you're looking at about $2,000... Maybe more, depending on finish and parts.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
18. I've used a few Behringer pedals...not bad for the price...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:50 AM
Jun 2014

Did it "color" or alter your tone much? Or is it pretty transparent?
Any buzzing with a tube amp?

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
19. It was mostly transparent...
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jun 2014

My buddy bought a Way Huge Aqua Puss, which is essentially the same circuit as the Behringer VD-400. The Aqua-Puss sounded the slightest bit airy-er, but it was hardly noticeable.

Tube amps don't buzz unless they're designed wrong. Same with solid state amps. With that said, I've never had an issue unless I'm in a place with bad power or lots of dimmer switches.

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Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
20. OK, it's been awhile since I updated...
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 12:31 PM
Jun 2014

But I've been backlogged. Finished everything up last night and powered on for first test. Wasn't seeing the voltages I should, so I waited til this AM, and found my issues (a couple broken solder joints on the power tube). Powered it up, and she screams. There's VERY little noise from this bugger. Nice and quiet at idle. So far, I'm digging it. Gonna record a couple samples later today if it cools off enough in the garage.

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Of course, still gotta get a proper faceplate made. The one I made is terrible looking, but it'll do for now.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
21. And here's a quick demo of the amp...
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:38 PM
Jun 2014
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Camera mic audio only. Too hot in the garage studio today to record comfortably.
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