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LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 01:19 PM Jun 2014

A' 'Yes' To Detroit's Grand Bargain Means Things Will Get Ugly

"From C.P.A. - Tom Barrow:

A number of Detroit pensioners have asked whether they should vote "Yes" or "No" on the so-called "Grand Bargain". While as CFDF president, I explained that I nor several of our members are not city retirees, I explained that my mother and others in my family were and are. For that reason, our organization has agreed to go record telling what I and the membership of CFDF believes would have been in my mom's and my family's best interest.

I begin stating that I have read the voluminous 3" thick document (no average senior citizen will likely ever read it or understand its complex legalese). As CFDF president, I also reviewed the proposed ballot received, as well as its so-called "claw back" amount seeking repayments of some heretofore unannounced debt due from city retiree's .

Having said that, we are convinced that the "Grand Bargain" would not have been a bargain for my mom no my family, further that its so-called "claw back" provision is entirely arbitrary and an overall horrible deal for the city's retirees. Instead, we see the "bargain" as a proposal which shifts responsibility onto the most vulnerable as if somehow retirees are responsible for the city's "phony" malaise.

The first glaring anomaly is that the "bargain" requires retirees to waive essential constitutional rights to sue the State or City forever. Cleverly, this means that even if currently pending federal lawsuits are successful and the EM law struck down as unconsitutional, retirees will have consented not to sue and will have assented to cut their own income and eliminate their own generationally promised benefits.

Why, because the pension obligation is a state constitutionally mandated obligation. This provision alone should cause any rational retiree to question how grand the "Bargain" truly is."

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A' 'Yes' To Detroit's Grand Bargain Means Things Will Get Ugly (Original Post) LovingA2andMI Jun 2014 OP
In other words, go down fighting Demeter Jun 2014 #1
The Constitution Language should stand LovingA2andMI Jun 2014 #2
The whole thing has stunk since day 1 Demeter Jun 2014 #3
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
1. In other words, go down fighting
Tue Jun 17, 2014, 05:25 PM
Jun 2014

Well, I'm Polish enough, and young enough, to do it. But our retirees?

Why don't the the city offer them all annuities? Why this piece of garbage? And why is it okay to change your mind if you already voted? Where else do we see the public getting mulligans to revote, because they got "persuaded" by some slippery verbiage and horrible "what-if" scenarios?

Take it to the State Constitution...make them repeal that clause first.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
2. The Constitution Language should stand
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 12:49 AM
Jun 2014

Heck, it is Michigan's Founding Document. Also, something smells funny --besides what was written about this 'Grand Bargain' deal. I'm heard a rumor Detroit will have between a $1-1.8 Billion (with a B) dollar surplus that will be magically announced in October. Just in time for Gov. Snyder's election.

If this is true (which I have some good resources saying it is) the retirees should indeed vote no the the grand bargain and demand in whole what is due to them by our Constitution.

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