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Earlier this week I had a brief, but interesting conversation with three women who in 1983 participated in the fight against siting a high-level nuclear waste depository in Wisconsin. It's their contention that the Geobic mine is being proposed, not because it would be profitable to extract the minerals (primarlily low grade taconite), but because the site would be used as a large-scale nuclear waste facility.
Here's a bit I found on the topic while googling ...
Referendum in April 1983
http://ballotpedia.org/Wisconsin_Radioactive_Waste_Disposal_Site,_Question_1_(April_1983)
The Wisconsin Radioactive Waste Disposal Question was a Wisconsin referendum / advisory question on the April 5, 1983 ballot in Wisconsin, where it was defeated.
This advisory question sought the opinion of the people of Wisconsin as to whether to allow a nuclear waste disposal site in the state.[1]
The measure was defeated 628,414 to 78,327.
Wisconsin was still being considered in 2003
http://www.cleanwisconsin.org/index.php?module=cms&page=204
August 5, 2003
MADISON Clean Wisconsin released a report called Nuclear Waste and Wisconsin, which examines the environmental impacts of a high-level, large-scale nuclear waste facility in Wisconsin.
In February 2002, President Bush recommended Yucca Mountain as the site of the first potential high-level nuclear waste repository; experts are concerned there may already be too much waste to fill Yucca Mountain and that another site will have to be selected. In the 1980s, Wisconsins Wolf River Batholith, a geological feature covering 5,800 square miles in northeastern Wisconsin, was proposed by the Department of Energy (DOE) as a potential site for large-scale nuclear waste disposal. Additionally, the Bush Administration is pushing for more nuclear power and new plants; creating more waste increases the chance that Wisconsin will be asked to host thousands of tons of our countrys nuclear waste.
I also compared maps of the proposed Geobic mine site and the Wolf River Batholith, the area considered geologically suitable for a nuclear waste site (well, not in my opinion, but you get the idea). The proposed Geobic mine site is NOT in the Wolf River Batholith, but nearby. Perhaps there's a geologist on DU who can comment further on this?????
Anyway, many of us have been wondering why all the interest in mining here, since there are several studies that conclude it's simply not economically feasible to extract such low-grade taconite. Could this be the real reason? Please shoot this down, or add credence, if you can. Any and all comments appreciated.
elfin
(6,262 posts)Not a geologist, but live in Wisconsin and do not see any value in the mine.
This angle deserves more attention. Thanks.
hue
(4,949 posts)Response to Scuba (Original post)
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Lefta Dissenter
(6,622 posts)and I'll have further information for you shortly.
I am one of the scientists who testified against the mining bill, and I have paid dearly for it.
The GTac mine is definitely not going to be a nuclear waste dump. There are several reasons:
1. Being near the Wolf River batholith, which was once considered as a possible site for a possible dump, is not the same as being in it. The rocks in the mine site are sedimentary, fractured, and permeable to water, exactly the wrong place for a waste dump. No engineer would ever site a nigh level waste dump in the Penokees. The batholith is a solid mass of crystalline rock and impermeable to water, which is why it was being considered.
2. A nuclear waste dump could never be built on the sly. Even assuming that all the laws governing such things were ignored (always a possibility in a lawless place like Scott Walker's Wisconsin), it would be obvious from the beginning that a waste dump and not a mine was being built. For starters, a waste dump would never start with a gigantic open pit.
3. A high level nuclear dump could never be operated at a profit. It could only be built by the federal government at enormous expense that would never be recovered. It is one of those problems that capitalism will never fix.
4. Siting of a waste dump, much less building one, is an enormous, decades-long scientific/engineering project that would be impossible to conceal. The defunct Yucca Mountain project employed thousands of people. I knew some of them. There was nothing secret about it.
5. There is no shortage of big holes in the ground to illegally dump stuff. Why dig a new one and attract so much scrutiny?
Many of us have been trying to figure out what REALLY is going on with the GTac project. Given the low quality of the "ore," the bad geometry of the deposit, an abundance of iron on the world market that is expected to persist for centuries, and the tiny size of the Penokee deposit compared to those of India, Australia, Brazil, and China, it seems unlikely that a GTac will ever turn a profit the old fashioned way, by mining iron and selling it. It seems that either Chris Cline is stupid (not an uncommon trait among out captains of industry) or that some scam is afoot-- which, after all, is how people traditionally make money in mines. So the real question people should be asking is not "what are they really digging for" but "who are marks?" I have long suspected that the only thing GTac plans to mine in Wisconsin is the pockets of investors.
Lefta Dissenter
(6,622 posts)I am ever so grateful for all you have sacrificed to help protect our state.
(and welcome to DU!)
Scuba
(53,475 posts)I'd only add that GTac is probably planning on mining the taxpayers as well, somehow, someway.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)I keep waiting to hear that Wisconsin Economic Development Corporation (WEDC) is offering tax incentives or outright grants and/or low-interest-never-pay-back loans to GTAC.
hue
(4,949 posts)hue
(4,949 posts)Non-metallic mining (things like sand) are regulated differently. Waste disposal is also regulated differently. Gogebic Taconite's recent bulk sampling of some places at the proposed mine site may give them information about other metals in the Penokees as well. Some believe there are metals such as gold there. Unfortunately the bulks sampling information will likely be held as proprietary information for the company and may not be made public. If there are other valuable metals in that area, the weakened state law would apply as well. As with this proposed mine, the Bad River Tribe, local advocates and organizations like ours, the Sierra Club, the River Alliance and others are working hard to demand as much transparency as possible from GTAc and the state.
Each step of any project that would have an impact on our environment should have a permit process with public information and opportunities for input from the public.