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dembotoz

(16,796 posts)
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:39 AM Jun 2014

in wi, does the mandate for emergency room treatement for anyone extend to urgent care facilities

let me explain
sensenbrenner had a town hall last night and i do love to bug him

i related my car accident experience-car totaled-old car did not take much... other guys fault-he had insurance.
did not go to hospital at time due to transportation issues--family demanded i get checked out which i did a few hours later
at the grafton hospital.
3 xrays
no blood work or iv
no pee in cup
no on site pain meds
just sat there until they read the xray and said nothing was broken -go home

came time to settle with insurance.
they gave me a good price for my car
they gave me an ok price for pain and suffering--wasn't hurt that bad and the lawyers said don't expect much....
and they put a pull it out of there but cap of 3k for the time at emergency.

the 3 k sounded good enough but just for giggles and i always do get ripped off....
i checked with the hospital. The amount was over the 3k
I got a copy of the bill and sent it to the insurance company and they raised the cap to 5k no issures

My primary insurance company had in the meantime paid the whole bill
The amount they paid came to about 1/6th the amount billed.
That is a nice discount-wish i could get a discount like that at the food store...

So i was going after sensenbrenner on how republicans clamor about how the emergency room never turns anyone one away
and was a more than adequate health plan for the uninsured.
I stated that Emergency rooms are not a rational substitute for the uninsured and for repubs to suggest it was was just delusional.
he said urgent care was cheaper and the poor should go there. Hospitals do not turn away--does urgent care

sorry this is so long--but for
my next round i would like to have some facts....

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in wi, does the mandate for emergency room treatement for anyone extend to urgent care facilities (Original Post) dembotoz Jun 2014 OP
To the best of my knowledge Urgent Care does turn away those without insurance or money. Jackpine Radical Jun 2014 #1
thank you dembotoz Jun 2014 #2
Jackpine is correct. hue Jun 2014 #3
Also: hue Jun 2014 #4

hue

(4,949 posts)
3. Jackpine is correct.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jun 2014
https://www.cms.gov/Regulations-and-Guidance/Legislation/EMTALA/index.html?redirect=/emtala/

Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA)

In 1986, Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) to ensure public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay. Section 1867 of the Social Security Act imposes specific obligations on Medicare-participating hospitals that offer emergency services to provide a medical screening examination (MSE) when a request is made for examination or treatment for an emergency medical condition (EMC), including active labor, regardless of an individual's ability to pay. Hospitals are then required to provide stabilizing treatment for patients with EMCs. If a hospital is unable to stabilize a patient within its capability, or if the patient requests, an appropriate transfer should be implemented.

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EMTALA is a federal government ruling that mandates all must be treated in the Emergency Dept. and/or be medically stabilized before being transferred to a hospital that may specialize in, for example heart conditions or strokes.
This includes everyone including illegal immigrants and those who cannot pay.
Hospitals who refuse to take all who come to their ED face losing federal funds.

This does not apply to any clinic or urgent care. Those clinics do indeed turn people away.

Some of the clinics and for profit hospitals actually require money up front for urgent care.

More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act

hue

(4,949 posts)
4. Also:
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 03:21 PM
Jun 2014
http://www.hospitalbillreview.com/blog.php?post=36

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/pi/110892474.html

ER billings from urgent care clinic draws complaints
Wheaton Franciscan practice peeves patrons

Karl Kaiser took his daughter, Teresa Kaiser, to the Wheaton Franciscan Healthcare urgent care facility in Wauwatosa to have her sore foot X-rayed.

He left with a $455 headache.

Teresa, a college student and marathon runner, had her hand X-rayed a year earlier at an urgent care clinic in Madison. That visit cost Kaiser $200.

Kaiser later learned that Wheaton Franciscan's clinic at 201 N. Mayfair Road, where he took his daughter in July, is unlike most urgent care clinics.

Kaiser said he was drawn in by the large, neon-red letters outside the building that read "urgent care."

He missed the 18-by-24 inch sign in the lobby. Under the heading "Thank you for choosing us for your health care," the sign says services may be billed as a hospital charge, and hospital emergency room co-payments, co-insurance and deductibles may apply.

The clinic also has brochures that explain the billing process - but patients get those only after they've been treated.

Kaiser says he should have been informed ahead of time.

"Urgent care in my mind meant something," said Kaiser, who has a high-deductible health plan. "I was expecting a couple hundred bucks."

Wheaton Franciscan officials said their urgent care center offers services beyond normal urgent care clinics, including around-the-clock availability.

"There's no general consistent definition of urgent care. Ours is more like an emergency department," said Coreen Dicus-Johnson, senior vice president of physician and revenue operations.

However, no ambulances take patients to the urgent care clinic, and no emergency surgery is performed on site.

In contrast, most urgent care clinics are seen as an extension of a doctor's office and bill at comparable rates.

That's the type of service most patients think of when they hear "urgent care," said Kevin Behl, who oversees Columbia St. Mary's Cathedral Square Urgent Care Center in downtown Milwaukee.

"It's supposed to be an alternative to an emergency room," Behl said.

Although Wheaton Franciscan's clinic is licensed for urgent care, the health care system contends it provides a much higher level of services, and that necessitates higher prices.

Aside from being available around the clock, the clinic offers full service imaging with on-site X-rays and MRIs.

Also, the clinic is staffed with emergency-care physicians and registered nurses qualified to handle patients whose hearts have stopped and are not breathing.

Wheaton Franciscan said that its clinic is an extension of Wheaton Franciscan Healthcare-St. Joseph, its hospital seven miles away, and subject to the same federal rules that apply to emergency departments. That prohibits hospitals from discussing rates and insurance before assessing a patient to determine if the person's condition is an emergency.

Bryan Schultz doesn't buy Wheaton's explanation, and he views its practice as deceptive.

His family used Wheaton Franciscan Healthcare for years - until he got the bills for two family visits.

He took his daughter to the facility after she had been wheezing for two straight days in March 2009, and a couple weeks later his wife visited with bronchial congestion.

He called ahead to verify that the clinic was for urgent care and not emergency care. So when the bills came to approximately $600 each, with physician fees labeled as "emergency," Schultz was livid.

"I have a problem when I call up and I ask 'Is this urgent care?' and I'm told on the phone it is, and then I'm getting ER billings," said Schultz, who never saw the explanatory sign in the lobby.

He emphasized that he had no qualms with the service or physicians.
Billing for services

Patients who receive treatment from the clinic are billed for two separate services. Wheaton Franciscan gets a facility fee, and the doctors get a physician fee.

The physician fee is based on the rates that emergency physicians charge, and the physicians are part of a practice that contracts with Wheaton. They bill health plans at emergency department rates.

"The Wheaton Franciscan Healthcare-Wauwatosa's Urgent Care Facility meets the definition of an Emergency Department for billing purposes," said Anne Ballentine, Wheaton vice president of communications. "Patients ?.?.?.?can expect the same level of quality as any emergency department."

Wheaton Franciscan does not recommend that patients in need of emergency care go to the clinic, however.

Most of the health plans that include the clinic in their networks pay facility fees that are 25% less on average than they would pay for similar services at a Wheaton Franciscan emergency department, Ballentine said.

Some plans - about 10% of those that contract with Wheaton - pay rates closer to those of an emergency department but still slightly less.

But the rates - even when 25% less than an emergency department - still are higher than the typical urgent care clinic.
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