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SmartVoter22

(639 posts)
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 09:24 AM Jul 2020

Trumpie Tantrum Shopping Spree

Went to my grocery store on Friday 7/3 and the store was busy at 9am.
I had my mask on. Anyway, there was a couple, in their 40's looking a bit shabbily dressed, he unshaven and she in pajamas.
I was getting my milk, when she came up behind me, brushed my shoulder as she grabbed a gallon.
Alarmed by the shoulder brush, I yelled. "Please keep your distance" I said. and quickly stepped away from her.

She said, "Fuck You."
So did I, immediately and very, very loudly ( knowing this would draw attention).
"No! Fuck You. Get Away From Me Right Now!
"I am getting milk and you can wait before you get yours. There are signs all over the store asking you to keep 6 ft away."
Her scruffy husband then piped up saying, "We don't believe fake news. We don't care." (the words fake news, explained everything).
I could see a store clerk running over.

I said to the man "I don't care what you want to believe. I don't want to catch any diseases you may carry." I said.
He had a blankish stare. I don't think he understood what I'd said.

The clerk heard me, and interrupted us, asking what the problem was.
She piped up, " I just got my milk."
I replied, "You nearly shoved me aside to get your milk, when you saw I was already getting some. Could you wait a few seconds? ...to keep a distance."
Husband piped up, 'We know our rights and we don't believe the virus." (not sure if the virus speaks to them directly or how often.)

The clerk stopped him and said, "This is private property and we can refuse service to anyone. The store is well posted with social distancing, all over the store, and we expect our customers to be considerate of others."

The husband, then said a terse "Fuck You" to the clerk. The woman, in a true Trumpie tantrum, threw her half-gallon of milk on the floor which broke open and sprayed a couple of other customers, who started yelling at her.

"You are leaving the store now." the clerk told her and her husband.
A 2nd clerk showed up by then, and reached for their cart, pulling it toward him. They didn't try to stop him and he got the cart away, I assume, in case the woman would want to throw that too.
"We have rights!" the woman yelled. She threatened to call the police. and this is why I am writing this, because what the clerk told them, shut them down so fast and completely..
"This store is not a public place. This private property, just like your home and we can refuse service to anyone. Today, you two are being refused and must leave immediately. Throwing milk at customers is assault and you can be arrested. Please leave now, before we call the police... and the milk is going to cost you $2.39."

The two clerks escorted the couple away and I went to self-checkout. The couple were at the front desk, paying for the milk and talking to the manager with the two clerks.
They left the store. Who knows where else they went to enact their "Trumpie Tantrum Shopping Spree".
I am glad to see my grocer, stand up for customers and hope others will start speaking up to stop these mass spreaders.

PS: I just finished chemo and look like it. Gaunt, pale...covered from head to toe with skull cap, eye protection from my glasses, a N95 mask covered with a cloth one, long sleeves & pants and gloves. It's 90F outside.
No moron is going get between me and my brand of milk.

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Trumpie Tantrum Shopping Spree (Original Post) SmartVoter22 Jul 2020 OP
Sounds like you need the milk of human kindness. So sorry! Beakybird Jul 2020 #1
I was in the middle of a good one safeinOhio Jul 2020 #2
😻 I like that ! lunasun Jul 2020 #4
Good one liberal N proud Jul 2020 #40
Thank you for speaking up, SmartVoter22, even in spite of your present vulnerability. BComplex Jul 2020 #3
The clerk's replies were spot on. n/t TheRickles Jul 2020 #5
Sounds as if the store had done good training. Nt spooky3 Jul 2020 #18
Good for you...and lucky your store clerk had the right reactions too! FailureToCommunicate Jul 2020 #6
Wow! There may actually be zombies living among us. patphil Jul 2020 #7
There are empty shells I_UndergroundPanther Jul 2020 #46
Interesting...thanks for posting Lochloosa Jul 2020 #47
Wow, I know how it feels to have just finished chemo, TNNurse Jul 2020 #8
Way to go SmartVoter22! You take care of yourself. iluvtennis Jul 2020 #9
BRAVO bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #10
What complete nuts! How did they make themselves publicly obnoxious before masks??? nt Mars and Minerva Jul 2020 #11
Maybe it's because Trump is failing so badly jmbar2 Jul 2020 #12
I agree. They seem extra agitated, and I think it's because his buffoonery is blossoming. C Moon Jul 2020 #55
My guess is that these morons are being told to go out and create disruptions. There are too many erronis Jul 2020 #13
Must be hate Radio. Lock him up. Jul 2020 #15
That's where it got a BIG shot of adrenaline. Hate radio. calimary Jul 2020 #27
Great analysis and a fantastic set of phrases to be borrowed and repeated. erronis Jul 2020 #30
The internet that Al Gore built is spreading it through targeted hate memes lostnfound Jul 2020 #57
I think you're right. I think there wnylib Jul 2020 #23
You never know who might be packing heat and shoot you. 3catwoman3 Jul 2020 #43
Potential violence wnylib Jul 2020 #48
Besides being a chicken, I have waaaaay too much... 3catwoman3 Jul 2020 #51
I think we might come from the same era. wnylib Jul 2020 #52
Born in 1951. My dad was the classic "man of few words," so my mom... 3catwoman3 Jul 2020 #53
Born in 1949. My parents were wnylib Jul 2020 #56
Good on you, gab13by13 Jul 2020 #14
Sorry you went through that. Fla Dem Jul 2020 #16
Fantastic! Good on ya. I don't want to hijack the thread but have a question: spooky3 Jul 2020 #17
I'll play along...for a very short bit. SmartVoter22 Jul 2020 #58
I think you misunderstood my post--I think spooky3 Jul 2020 #59
OK makes some sense. SmartVoter22 Jul 2020 #60
I wish this exchange was on video. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #19
To a brave person Old Terp Jul 2020 #20
Good for you and good for the store! Thank you!! SunSeeker Jul 2020 #21
I had a very similar incident in NH Tiger8 Jul 2020 #22
Just want to express my admiration for DUers and their like-minded comrades qallunat Jul 2020 #24
Terminally contemptible. Soulless sociopathic disregard. 3catwoman3 Jul 2020 #44
Good for you!!! I'm so happy to hear they backed you up. flying_wahini Jul 2020 #25
Educate the Dumpos marieo1 Jul 2020 #26
Tom Hartmann just read this article on his show! yellowdogintexas Jul 2020 #28
She was in her PAJAMAS? Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #29
Was it a Walmart? 3catwoman3 Jul 2020 #45
I was threatened last week by a rangy old dude. Really. Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #31
"What are you going to do about it?" renate Jul 2020 #37
Big thank-you to grocery store clerks! cp Jul 2020 #32
I know exactly what you are going thru. Butterflylady Jul 2020 #33
Maybe they should open their own grocery store! Grokenstein Jul 2020 #34
That is crazy! cayugafalls Jul 2020 #35
Good on you. My response would have been much easier for those mental toddlers to understand: Volaris Jul 2020 #36
So glad you called their ignorant, selfish asses out! MLAA Jul 2020 #38
They all hope Sean Hannity will call them louis-t Jul 2020 #39
I'm so sorry you're going through Cha Jul 2020 #41
In my Retail Days Sherman A1 Jul 2020 #42
Where these peole are being really stupid Mr.Bill Jul 2020 #49
They were mean, selfish people. Thank you for standing up to them. Ilsa Jul 2020 #50
Shopping in their jammies?!? BigmanPigman Jul 2020 #54

safeinOhio

(32,461 posts)
2. I was in the middle of a good one
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 09:40 AM
Jul 2020

while in line to pay for mine. Guy in front of me was an old shabby guy in a MAGA hat. Guy behind me ask him if he could borrow five bucks. The MAGA guy grunted out "NO". The other guy says "only rich and stupid people like trump, I guess we can figure out which one of those you are."

I turned back and gave him a big smile.

BComplex

(7,964 posts)
3. Thank you for speaking up, SmartVoter22, even in spite of your present vulnerability.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 09:40 AM
Jul 2020
I think you're a friggin' hero!

patphil

(5,989 posts)
7. Wow! There may actually be zombies living among us.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:23 AM
Jul 2020

Not actual zombies, but mostly brain dead, heavily programed, walking empty shells.
Close enough to make you wonder.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,439 posts)
46. There are empty shells
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 07:44 PM
Jul 2020

Walking among us. Gnostics called them children of the archon.
They are known also as qlippoth

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qliphoth

Or..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archon_(Gnosticism)

So this problem has been here for a very long time.

TNNurse

(6,905 posts)
8. Wow, I know how it feels to have just finished chemo,
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:28 AM
Jul 2020

I applaud your ability to take them on with energy. I think you will do better from now on, you have survived.

bucolic_frolic

(42,478 posts)
10. BRAVO
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:39 AM
Jul 2020

Letting these people off with paying for their milk? Seems we need a new form of citation, a fine for disrupters.

jmbar2

(4,805 posts)
12. Maybe it's because Trump is failing so badly
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:42 AM
Jul 2020

...but it seems like people are getting more and more aggressive about their "rights" to dominate others.

Saw the same thing on 4th of July. Despite all the warnings not to be setting off fireworks in town, a whole group of zombies descended on my neighborhood to defy the laws, and the rights of people who live here.

I'm glad to see the pushback.

erronis

(14,853 posts)
13. My guess is that these morons are being told to go out and create disruptions. There are too many
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:45 AM
Jul 2020

similar incidents happening.

What's in it for them? I don't know.

What's in it for those that want to see the US society melt down?

Lock him up.

(6,861 posts)
15. Must be hate Radio.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jul 2020

What's in it for them? Unconscious self destruction?

What's in it for those that want to see the US society melt down? There's that ex-USSR's KGB agent Putin's long term agenda.

calimary

(80,521 posts)
27. That's where it got a BIG shot of adrenaline. Hate radio.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 12:36 PM
Jul 2020

Last edited Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:55 PM - Edit history (2)

Allowed to metastasize all over the country from the poison excreted by limbaugh at one station - that suddenly got great ratings (so the resulting conclusion from management and friends in national programming - CLONE THAT! Spread it EVERYWHERE! Either by piping his show in over some network servicing all the small markets in America or replicating him with some cheaper local sound-alike/rant-alike). Easy ratings, and VERY easy money.

And the "great unwashed" folks who finally found THEIR views showcased by the big fat loudmouth on the radio suddenly felt justified. THEY were the mainstream. THEY were the coveted demographic. THEIRS was the "opinion of record."

WRONG!!! They were just the loudest. And they LOVED-LOVED-LOVED having that reprehensible, un-American, resentful, grievance-nursing, hate-everybody-who-doesn't-look-like-me mindset "legitimized" - given validation, a voice, and a seat at the table. When it should have been kept in the back corner of the basement closet in a taped-up file box, where it belonged.

erronis

(14,853 posts)
30. Great analysis and a fantastic set of phrases to be borrowed and repeated.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 01:23 PM
Jul 2020

With your permission, of course.

Nice to hear your voice - it seems a bit quieter as of late but perhaps I'm just not watching the right groups...

lostnfound

(16,124 posts)
57. The internet that Al Gore built is spreading it through targeted hate memes
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 09:21 AM
Jul 2020

Not just one “meme environment” like fox but a targeted “meme environment” specific to the person. “Like gardening and distrust vaccines? Here are these topics in a neat little package sprinkled with conspiracy theories about Bill gates and the liberal plot to mask you.”

The poison that Limbaugh excreted has gotten more refined.

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
23. I think you're right. I think there
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:10 AM
Jul 2020

are website discussions on the right where people encourage each other to "take a stand" in public places.

My prescriptions are at CVS. They have plexiglass and masks for their cashiers, 6' distancing marks on the floor, and signs about wearing masks. But their official policy is not to challenge anyone without a mask or who does not keep distance in the checkout line. I am checking out the policies of other pharmacies and will switch if I find one that backs up precautions.

3catwoman3

(23,748 posts)
43. You never know who might be packing heat and shoot you.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 07:21 PM
Jul 2020

I am sorely tempted to tell people in stores who have their masks under their noses that they work better when used as intended, but I am too chicken.

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
48. Potential violence
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 08:43 PM
Jul 2020

is the reason why CVS does not enforce their precautions, according to what a couple of clerks told me.

At another store in the same plaza I saw a guy walking around with his mask around his neck. So when he passed me, I said, "Wow. i thought the masks were for the face." He said with a smirk, "It is on my face." So I said he must be 2 faced because I could clearly see one that was not covered. Smirk disappeared.

Yeah, it was foolish and risky for me to speak up, but I'm tired of jerks spreading illness without giving a damn. So on that day it just slipped out.

3catwoman3

(23,748 posts)
51. Besides being a chicken, I have waaaaay too much...
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 09:28 PM
Jul 2020

...self control. A result of being brought up in the “seen-but-not-heard” era/philosophy. If you don’t learn how to stand up for yourself when you are a kid, you suck at it for the rest of your life..

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
52. I think we might come from the same era.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:12 PM
Jul 2020

At least I heard often enough that children were to be seen and not heard. I felt rebellious about it then but I was well into my adult years before I dared to act on it. It never feels really comfortable and sometimes I overdo it because of lack of practice when I was younger.

3catwoman3

(23,748 posts)
53. Born in 1951. My dad was the classic "man of few words," so my mom...
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:23 PM
Jul 2020

...did all the talking and was the rule setter. Opinions different from hers were not encouraged or welcomed - almost as if to have a different point of view about something was a personal rejection of her.

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
56. Born in 1949. My parents were
Tue Jul 7, 2020, 06:39 AM
Jul 2020

moderately strict about keeping quiet. But my great aunt lived with us and was very strict and rigid. She shared a room with me, too, so even in my own room I felt like I could barely breathe without getting scolded.

gab13by13

(20,782 posts)
14. Good on you,
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:53 AM
Jul 2020

speedy recovery. I don't feel so hurt now from my double hernia surgery Thursday. You made me smile, thanks.

I also wore my mask today in 2 stores where no one wears masks. I don't give them a chance to say anything, I tell them I paid good money for this mask and I'm wearing it, I'm not afraid.

Fla Dem

(23,239 posts)
16. Sorry you went through that.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jul 2020

I've had a couple of minor run ins with Trumpsters, but nothing like that. Glad you stood up for what was right and that the store employees backed you up.

Stay well.

spooky3

(34,231 posts)
17. Fantastic! Good on ya. I don't want to hijack the thread but have a question:
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 10:56 AM
Jul 2020

My hunch is that you are female, because while assholes can be nondiscriminatory assholes, there is a lot of evidence on microaggressions showing that both some men and some women view women as lower status so they can behave badly toward them when they would not do so against men. They then react even worse when a woman surprises them by behaving assertively.

I don’t want to ask you to give up info that you don’t want to share but I am curious as to whether this happened here.

SmartVoter22

(639 posts)
58. I'll play along...for a very short bit.
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 09:08 AM
Jul 2020

What in my post indicated that my gender was a priority in determining how I would react to the woman?

spooky3

(34,231 posts)
59. I think you misunderstood my post--I think
Wed Jul 8, 2020, 09:28 AM
Jul 2020

The OTHER person behaved badly toward you in part because you are female. She’s a jerk but probably wouldn’t have shoved a man, for example.

SmartVoter22

(639 posts)
60. OK makes some sense.
Thu Jul 9, 2020, 09:00 AM
Jul 2020

I understand your point now, sorry.
My response to her wasn't based on my gender, but her invading my space.
If it was the husband, I would have done the same without hesitation.

MAybe I look like an illuminati.

Old Terp

(464 posts)
20. To a brave person
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:03 AM
Jul 2020

So often we are silent because the other person is a wack job. I wish you the best in your remission. I've been in remission since 1967, May you have the same result.

 

Tiger8

(432 posts)
22. I had a very similar incident in NH
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:04 AM
Jul 2020

I was in a department store, and the checkout line was a mile long, but with 6 feet social distancing.

Man and a woman couple get directly behind me...no masks...no 6 foot social distancing. I asked him to please back away to the 6ft. marker. He defiantly says they don’t have have to.

That set me off. I raised my voice in anger, and said, GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME! So they step back, he laughs and calls me a pussy. Now it devolves into a shouting match. I called him a FART OUT OF TRUMP’S ASS. I left the line with the parting shot...I HOPE YOU GET CORONAVIRUS AND DIE, YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

As I was walking away, he called me a fucking asshole, which is the highest compliment I want from any Trump supporter.

I really feel for you. These people have been brainwashed. Going to the store should not be this stressful, or pose a needless risk to our health.

We take our revenge on 11/3.

qallunat

(16 posts)
24. Just want to express my admiration for DUers and their like-minded comrades
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:25 AM
Jul 2020

Hi all,
A lurker from the great White North here! As I read story after story of your encounters with the terminally contemptible, I am in awe of your courage, resilience and humour. I'm choosing this thread, because SmartVoter22's story is emblematic of the crap I know you have to put up with (for some on a daily basis). Up here in Ontario, we elected a right-wing Premier (think Governor) who, against all odds, stepped up to listen to the health experts and govern with compassion and good sense during the pandemic. Not everyone wears a mask in public, but it will soon (this week or next) be mandatory in my city and many others for the forseeable future. That being said, it is hard for me to imagine someone here objecting to reminders to maintain distance, or worse, to mock mask-wearers.
When I read your stories and see the videos of the (in the words of our Premier) "Yahoos", broadcasting their ignorance, hopeless supidity and soulless sociopathic disregard for their neighbours, it causes me to wonder whether I could handle them with the strength, grace and composure that you demonstrate.

I salute you all!

SmartVoter22, I wish you all the best in your recovery! I'd say your backbone is a good indicator that you've got it beat!

3catwoman3

(23,748 posts)
44. Terminally contemptible. Soulless sociopathic disregard.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 07:24 PM
Jul 2020

Excellent wordsmithing. I look forward to reading more of your posts.

flying_wahini

(6,440 posts)
25. Good for you!!! I'm so happy to hear they backed you up.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:27 AM
Jul 2020


People like that need to be called out on their poor choices and bad behavior Publicly!

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
26. Educate the Dumpos
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:40 AM
Jul 2020

Kudos to you, you did the right thing and I, for one, am proud of you. Get well and be safe wishes to you from Northern Minnesota.

yellowdogintexas

(22,064 posts)
28. Tom Hartmann just read this article on his show!
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 01:02 PM
Jul 2020

He discusses DU regularly; this is the first time he has talked about something I actually read before it was on the show!!!

Grasswire2

(13,564 posts)
31. I was threatened last week by a rangy old dude. Really.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 01:27 PM
Jul 2020

At my beloved farmers market.

I heard hollering on the sidewalk and went over to see what was happening.

Two police cars had a young man kettled on the sidewalk and the officers were out of their cars. The kid was not white-skinned, so I walked near to stand and bear witness to the event. An officer told me to step away, so I did, to the corner with my phone in hand, in case this needed recording. The officer noticed that.

The kid became quite agitated, but he knew his rights. Kept telling them NOT TO TOUCH him. They ran his ID. And one cop eventually became frustrated and sped off. Eventually the other cop left, too, after fifteen minutes or so.

The only other person watching this was a rangy tall white-haired dude, who I mistakenly thought to be a hippy type.

I spoke to the kid. Cliff. Asked him what had happened. He said he had commented loudly to several people at the farmers market who were not wearing masks. Asked them if they thought they were immune. The market manager called the police on him.

He left, and this rangy dude stepped up to me. A good eighteen inches taller. He leaned in (not wearing a mask) and said "You are protecting an idiot." Me: "Who is the idiot?" He indicated the kid. I said 'He's a citizen expressing himself on public property, as is his right."

Him, very menacingly: "You'd better be very careful who you criticize."

I drew myself up to my full height and this came out of my mouth, unbidden: "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT???"

I am a soft-spoken woman, usually. But I think I scared him. I LOVE my farmers market, but I was not happy about the manager calling police for a kid mouthing off.

renate

(13,776 posts)
37. "What are you going to do about it?"
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 04:00 PM
Jul 2020

I love this!!!!

I get tongue tied and can never think of just the right thing to say when it needs to be said, but this is great!!! Puts the onus on him without making the speaker be the one to threaten violence. I don’t go anywhere these days but I’ll keep this in mind if a similar situation ever comes up. Thanks!!

cp

(6,507 posts)
32. Big thank-you to grocery store clerks!
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 01:51 PM
Jul 2020

They were magnificent here.

(Note to SmartVoter22, I live in a rural area now overrun with summer tourists. The considerate ones seem to be laying low, which leaves the mask-less assholes on full parade. For the summer I've started online grocery ordering with curbside pickup. It's great! And I feel so Relieved each time I don't have to go inside. Be well!)

Butterflylady

(3,508 posts)
33. I know exactly what you are going thru.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:12 PM
Jul 2020

Finished my chemo last November and my radiation a few weeks ago. Reading your story I was cheering you on.

Thank you!

Grokenstein

(5,703 posts)
34. Maybe they should open their own grocery store!
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:28 PM
Jul 2020

That's the way this works, right? Some pseudo-conservative gets rejected from something, then they declare they'll create their own, "conservative-friendly" version?

"Welcome to America First Foods! Here you're free to shove everyone else out of your way, and FUCK MASKS! No Democrat hoaxes here, because no Democrats allowed! No nonwhites, either (but we're not racist)! Come on down and strip the shelves of toilet paper! To hell with your neighbor! First come, first serve--America First!"

cayugafalls

(5,588 posts)
35. That is crazy!
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 02:40 PM
Jul 2020

Why are they going so bonkers right now? I guess 24/7 with Faux News is just driving them insane.

Thank you for sharing and standing up to them.

Stay well.

Volaris

(10,251 posts)
36. Good on you. My response would have been much easier for those mental toddlers to understand:
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 03:08 PM
Jul 2020

Eeeeeewww get away..i dont want your Nasty Cooties.

They're being selfish children, so treat them as such.

Cha

(295,537 posts)
41. I'm so sorry you're going through
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 06:46 PM
Jul 2020

chemo, SmartVoter.

trump has fomented such stupidass brainwashed zombies.. Brava to you for calling them out and standing up to them on their stupidity.. and wonderful that the store backed you up!

You handled it so well.. especially in your current condition. The best healing for you!

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
42. In my Retail Days
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 07:04 PM
Jul 2020

The moment she said "F" You she (and he) would have been out the door. The store policy as set by our store manger was we have to be nice up until they start cursing and then they are gone as fast as possible.

Mr.Bill

(24,031 posts)
49. Where these peole are being really stupid
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 08:47 PM
Jul 2020

is when they do it in a supermarket. There are video cameras everywhere. Just keep it verbal, and if it's going to get physical, make sure they do it first.

Ilsa

(61,656 posts)
50. They were mean, selfish people. Thank you for standing up to them.
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 09:24 PM
Jul 2020

I'm so sorry you had to do that, though.

BigmanPigman

(51,368 posts)
54. Shopping in their jammies?!?
Mon Jul 6, 2020, 11:23 PM
Jul 2020

I think that would have been my first clue about their state of mind/politics.

No shoes, no shirt, no slippers, no service!

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