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msrizzo

(796 posts)
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 09:43 AM Oct 2015

Sanders' challenge: Winning over Obama Supporters

It's Politico, probably an attempt to egg Hillary on to attack Sanders in the debate, but still an interesting read.

Bernie Sanders has a well-defined support network – highly educated, white liberals. But to win the nomination, he’ll need to build a much broader coalition. And in this, one man may stand in his way: Barack Obama.
It’s not that Sanders has a bad relationship with the president — it’s that they barely have a working relationship at all. The senator has been sharply critical of Obama, whose popularity is rising especially among the Hispanic and African-American voters missing from Sanders’ support network.


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/sanders-obama-supporters-214636
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Tarheel_Dem

(31,222 posts)
2. BS can debate Hillary everyday from now till the last primary, "winning over Obama supporters"
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 10:09 AM
Oct 2015

will not happen. When it's pointed out that BS is no Barack Obama, one of his "highly educated white liberal" followers inevitably retorts with a smug "thank goodness". I agree with them, but not for the reason they think.

Cha

(296,875 posts)
3. BS wanted the President primaried in 2012... he's always out there bashing the President to the
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 10:17 AM
Oct 2015

point that this Vid was made by Supporters of President Obama to highlight what sanders is saying about Obama and what actually happened.



Thank you for this, msrizzo I know more than a few Obama supporters who want nothing to do with sanders.

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
4. That video shows that Sanders will have a very difficult time winning support from Obama supporters
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 10:45 AM
Oct 2015

President Obama is very popular among the base of the party and Sanders is not. Sander's attacks on President Obama will limit Sanders' ability to attract support from other demographic groups who made up the Obama coalition.

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
5. Exactly - he can't run against the party and then ask for the party to support him
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:04 AM
Oct 2015

I don't think he should have been allowed to run as a Democrat. He's an Independent.

Cha

(296,875 posts)
7. Yes, President Obama is very popular with Millions of People. I'd like to know what the
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:36 AM
Oct 2015

hell BS was thinking when he decided to attack him with hogwash. Not a very big bright idea.

msrizzo

(796 posts)
9. I assume that bashing Obama will not be part of his outreach plan.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:57 AM
Oct 2015

But it's out there and folks are likely to remember it. And frankly, it would be fair game to ask him about it in the debates.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
6. Winning over Clinton supporters by attacking Obama and supporters is one big reason Sanders can not
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:08 AM
Oct 2015

win the nomination.

A thing which Sanders himself does not do.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
8. I really think Sanders has no intention of becoming president.
Sat Oct 10, 2015, 11:38 AM
Oct 2015

Before he announced he said he would run if enough would support him. He did fund raisers and decided there were enough people behind him.

He says he can't do it alone it takes a revolution or it takes a mass of people to change things.

I think his idea is to get a progressive movement going by pretending to run and letting people send in money to fund his attempt to define the race.


He isn't getting over 25% in the polls. He said on MSNBC that he knows he does not have much Black or Latino support but that he was going to work on that by learning what their issues were. He doesn't know what their issues are because he never got into minority issues. His economic justice plays to white liberals who say that economic justice will take care of what ever the minority issues are. That is a way of not needing to get into those issues much.

So Sanders supporters think that if minorities only listen to Bernie they will jump on his band wagon. That's why lot's of debates are needed. They can win in White IA and NH but the South is another story. They desperately need more debates before Super Tuesday so the can sell the economic justice idea to minorities. That is the supporters point of view.
Bernie on the other hand is happy with driving the campaigns to the left.

murielm99

(30,717 posts)
11. You are exactly right.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 06:06 AM
Oct 2015

I believe that it was his intention to drive Obama to the left when he suggested primarying Obama. Now he wants to drive Hillary to the left.

What he suggested about Obama being primaried was irresponsible. But as an independent, he had nothing to lose at the time. How many people were actually listening to him anyway?

I think his continued campaign for President as a Democrat is also irresponsible. We can all see how it is dividing the Democratic Party. Let him run as an independent, which he is. Why allow him to use the resources of a party he refuses to join? If he wants more debates, let him pay for them. The Democratic Party should not foot the bill for it.

The repiggies are eating it up.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
12. It has been said about 25% of the millennium are going for Sanders, about the same percentage of his
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:40 AM
Oct 2015

Polling numbers. Hillary is presenting a great agenda, covers many areas needed by the majority of Americans. If given the opportunity during the debates which should be about issues rather than how ugly or low energy the other candidates. Talking points should not be included, they are only disruptors from the facts. Hillary is very good with truthful facts, is very capable of presenting them.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
13. I believe that the Far Left/Highly Educated/White Sanders supporters....
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:31 AM
Oct 2015

believe that they are the ones who created the 2008 nomination of Barack Obama. They believed that he owed them every extreme and ultra partisan policy wish they had ever thought of. When he didn't grant them complete control of the country they turned on him viciously.

They don't seem to have much respect for the African American community. They tend to treat them like uninformed children instead of the heart and soul of the Democratic party. They also seem to believe that POC who are doctors, lawyers and successful business owners (and that is most in my area) have no reason to complain about racism.

They are completely disdainful of moderate Democrats and have written us off as "3rd party" (as if Bernie wasn't the ultimate third party all by himself).

They don't need Moderates, they don't need Blacks and they don't really need Hispanics either. They are going to rise up and march to Washington and take their country back by being really rude and dismissive to everyone else!

To the rest of us, this seems delusional. Some of us even worry about the state of their mental health when their fantastic bubble finally bursts. This only drives them into higher states of frenzy. They force everyone else out of the conversation but then find themselves in a small group of true believers who echo their own thoughts.

In the end, Sanders doesn't have what it takes to win the nomination from a party that isn't even his, and his "True Believers" are making it even worse.

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