Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumWhat seems to have happened in MI was the effect of Indies and probably under-polled students.
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This is my theory. Indies swayed the vote, and young people such as students may have been under-polled. Some R's may also have voted in the Dem primary for Bernie, and a good number of Clinton voters may have stayed home thinking she was going to win because of the polls.
Indies should not be allowed to come in and take over a party's primary.
MADem
(135,425 posts)of delegates on the day from all the states with races.
LannyDeVaney
(1,033 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Same number of delegates as Florida and same demographics as Michigan.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)and the fact that Michigan is a open primary state and Sanders is winning huge with Independents.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)The polls were really off. Even if HRC pulls out a very narrow win. I'd rather have had the polls showing the true picture than expecting a solid victory.
This bugs me a lot. I'm staying the hell away from DU except for one or two places for sure
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)rateyes
(17,438 posts)A sincere question. A post in this thread mentioned the fact that Sanders is winning big among Indies. Looking ahead to the General Election, why would we rather nominate someone who is less likely to win over independents? It seems to me that having independents vote in an open primary gives us a better picture of which of our candidates would be more electable.
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rateyes
(17,438 posts)I really don't. But, I do know that most of Hillary's big wins are in reliably republican states. I really think we need to look at the picture in the swing states and figure out who is most likely to whip a Ted Cruz there.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)plus the older voters too and le'ts not forget the more moderate ones plus people who like Obama. Need to win them over too,,, and BS has a problem with moost of these key-Dem-demographics
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auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Yes, of course, independents are important in the GE. But the primaries are about choosing the Democratic party's nominee. I feel (and maybe it's just me) like Democrats should get to choose their nominee alone. Then the rest of the country can come in and decide which of the two party's candidate is the one they like best.
Only my opinion.
pandr32
(11,447 posts)romana
(765 posts)There's data to suggest that among people who identify as independents, they still lean left or right in their overall voting patterns, but do switch it up more than registered members of the two parties. Given the choice between Clinton and Sanders, those left-leaning independents voted for Sanders, and would probably vote for him against Trump. However, given the choice between Clinton and Trump, I think many of those same left-leaning independents would vote for Clinton.
Also, it's important to remember that the GOP smear machine hasn't even started on Sanders, and Clinton has been pretty kid gloves with him as well (which is fine, I'd prefer our contest to stay that way). Sanders has a lot of negatives in his past that they'll hammer the way he's hammering Clinton on trade in the rust belt. We don't know what effect that'll have.
It's still a valid question, though--he is winning the independent vote and the Clinton campaign should pay attention to that.
yardwork
(61,417 posts)The nightmare scenario would be that independents get Bernie chosen as the Democratic candidate, then vote for the Republican for president.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Indies are often looking for something "new and different." This is part of it, especially liberal leaning Indies. At the end of the day, they are also fairly practical and will not go with an extremist in the general election which is what the R's are offering. Liberal indies are often more likely to respond to broad, vague "principles" rather than details, especially young Indies. To give him credit, Bernie is compelling and is offering big things and saying big things that are appealing. But he struggles with details and practicality. He is therefore especially appealing to young, mostly white, idealistic, liberal to very liberal Indies and other Indies who are angry at "the system." No worries. At the end of the day, they will go with Hillary long before Frankentrump.
rateyes
(17,438 posts)Of a big win for Hillary in Michigan. No offense, but I think you might be overthinking about the mood of the electorate. My 20 something yr old daughters (3 of them) are voting Hillary, going against the polls for their demographic. This 56 yr old man, wants Bernie. I just think that, for the most part, the country is really getting more anti-establishment than anything. We are tired of getting screwed over.
Loki
(3,825 posts)Anyone can declare and vote in the primary? So Republican's and Independents can vote for the opposing candidate and act as a spoiler?