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Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:08 AM Mar 2016

STATE OF THE PRIMARY - March 9, 2016

Last edited Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:08 PM - Edit history (1)

Delegate Count

Total Delegates: Clinton 1,221, Sanders 571 (Clinton +650).
Pledged Delegates: Clinton 770, Sanders 551 (Clinton +219).
Versus Targets: Clinton 770/682 (+88), Sanders 551/639 (-88).
2,383 delegates to secure nomination.
2,026 pledged delegates to secure the majority.
Clinton needs 46.0% of remaining pledged delegates.


Latest Results

March 8 (MI, MS): Clinton 93, Sanders 73 (Clinton +20).
Versus Targets: Clinton 93/86 (+7), Sanders 73/80 (-7).


Next Primary: March 15

Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio: 691 delegates total.
Targets: Clinton 365, Sanders 326.
Northern Marianas votes on March 12: 6 delegates.



Comments
As the headline of The Onion read in the period following 9/11, holy fucking shit.

Nobody, but nobody, had any rational reason to expect Bernie to win Michigan. Not a single poll had Hillary ahead by less than 5 points, and many polls showed her 20 points or more. This is the biggest primary upset since 1984, when Mondale led by 17 points in New Hampshire, but Gary Hart ended up winning by 9 points.

We don't know how it happened, and as you can see, it didn't help Bernie much at all; it just prolonged his stay in the race. Bernie has met or exceeded his target in eight contests, and in no case by more than 4 delegates. Even in Michigan, he exceeded his target by only 2.

Even so, Hillary supporters are very rightly reeling, and examining ourselves for complacency. For my part, I am temporarily (I hope) discontinuing the polls and projections part of this post. From now on, assume every poll is wrong, especially in open primary states (this includes Illinois, Missouri, and Ohio). I'm going to focus on hard numbers, and on getting out the vote everywhere I can.

I'm also discontinuing the GOP section because screw 'em.


How This Works
The total delegate count is taken from the AP. All other information is taken from FiveThirtyEight unless otherwise indicated. The total delegate count includes both pledged delegates, based on their margins in the states which have voted, and superdelegates, who have declared their intention to vote for one of the candidates (but may change their mind before the convention).

The target numbers indicate how many delegates each candidate would have to earn, or to have, in order to be on track to tie for the nomination; they take into account factors such as demographics.


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STATE OF THE PRIMARY - March 9, 2016 (Original Post) Chichiri Mar 2016 OP
I just saw the outcome in Michigan one hour ago. livetohike Mar 2016 #1
I read Hillary won the Dems, livetohike.. but the debate wouldn't have helped the cross over votes.. Cha Mar 2016 #2
Good morning Cha! Thanks for the info. My state of PA livetohike Mar 2016 #3
Good to know.. thank you! Cha Mar 2016 #4
This does put some perspective on the voting. Thanks! nt Fla Dem Mar 2016 #5
The more we know.. Cha Mar 2016 #6
yes sounds right Her Sister Mar 2016 #10
Exactly! nt Chichiri Mar 2016 #14
Where do you get the figures for "targets?" nt LAS14 Mar 2016 #7
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/ Her Sister Mar 2016 #9
Thanks for the second time in 2 minutes! LAS14 Mar 2016 #11
cross-over plus independednts Her Sister Mar 2016 #8
This really gives an insight Haveadream Mar 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #12
Neither. Treant Mar 2016 #15

livetohike

(22,124 posts)
1. I just saw the outcome in Michigan one hour ago.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:18 AM
Mar 2016

Hopefully, the Clinton team will nail down what happened and see how to address that. I really thought the Sunday night debate would have put Hillary in a good position for victory.

Cha

(296,868 posts)
2. I read Hillary won the Dems, livetohike.. but the debate wouldn't have helped the cross over votes..
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:21 AM
Mar 2016
FUN FACT
cbbruuno ??@cbbruuno
Fun fact- both George Wallace (1972) and Jesse Jackson (1988) both won in Michigan.
6:40 PM - 8 Mar 2016
1 1 Retweet 1 1 like

And, a comment by someone from Michigan on the Obama Diary..

mophene

March 9, 2016 at 4:52 am

Don’t even bother trying to understand what happened in Michigan tonight. Consider this, George Wallace won the Dem primary in 1972, years later Jesse Jackson won. Lot’s of people cross over to wreck havoc in Dem and GOP primaries. The GOP are so desperate, even I received a robo call begging me to vote for Kasich. I almost did, because I thought Hillary had it in the bag. Glad I didn’t listen to the polls. The last time I checked Hillary was down by 30k. Every vote counts! On the upside, Democratic enthusiasm looks damn good.

Signing out from the big D in MI

http://theobamadiary.com/2016/03/08/happy-international-womens-day/

I'm sure Hillary's Team will be all over this.. Just always hustle like we're 20 points behind.

livetohike

(22,124 posts)
3. Good morning Cha! Thanks for the info. My state of PA
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:27 AM
Mar 2016

has closed primaries. So there shouldn't be too much messing around. People would have to change their registration for the primary. I think that date may have passed. .

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
10. yes sounds right
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:41 AM
Mar 2016

by looking at Repub results it looks like Kasich had a good night (not enough to win) in Michigan compared to the other States:

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
8. cross-over plus independednts
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:38 AM
Mar 2016

Maybe HRC voters cross-voted for the Republican side for someone like Kasich (he got more voters in Michigan than in other states, almost as many as Cruz, Trump won anyways) instead or something like that thinking that HRC was winning the State.

Response to Chichiri (Original post)

Treant

(1,968 posts)
15. Neither.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:35 PM
Mar 2016

They're correct and you're reading them right.

That huge, much-yelled-about win for Sanders netted him 2 delegates over his target.

Clinton's completely unmentioned gigantic win in MS netted her 9 delegates over her target.

Overall from yesterday, Clinton pulled ahead by seven more delegates, Sanders fell behind by seven more delegates.

Effectively, the upshot from a stunning Sanders victory? He lost significant ground, increasing his deficit to -88 delegates against Clinton.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/

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