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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:02 AM Mar 2016

"Bernie Sanders refuses to compromise for the common good."

"It is a trait that has won him admiration from his devout legion of followers. They see him as "principled" in that he sticks to his guns and refuses to vote in favor of certain legislation because it has a single provision that is not to his liking. Watch any debate and you'll hear Sanders be able to specify the exact reason why he has voted against certain pieces of legislation and these reasons often cite one small part of an otherwise comprehensive bill. For Sanders, being a democratic socialist means adhering to a strict ideology that rejects legislation if there is any sort of provision that might do damage to the working class people of this country. Should a bill arise that does this, Sanders will reject it regardless of whether or not the overall bill would benefit even a large segment of the population."



"The problem with this mindset is that it creates a sense of tunnel vision where Bernie Sanders is unable to see the broader benefits of certain pieces of legislation. The most glaring instance of this occurred in 2003 where Sanders voted against the House bill that created the Amber Alert, a nationwide system that alerts the public when a child has been abducted. The bill passed the House with Sanders being among only 14 representatives, along with another ideologue Ron Paul, to vote against the bill. The bill then moved onto the Senate where it was approved by a vote of 98-0 and signed into law by President George W. Bush. Since its inception at the national level in 2006, the Amber Alert system has helped to rescue over 800 children."


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As I said somewhere else, doctrinaire people often share the personality trait of rigidity. This blog piece profiles his "rigid" personality structure very well.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/18/me-first-why-bernie-sanders-voted-against-protecting-children
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"Bernie Sanders refuses to compromise for the common good." (Original Post) Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 OP
Yeah, he'd be a terrible president .. and not just for his rigidity, Surya... but that most Cha Mar 2016 #1
Yes, pretty well-written, I thought. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #5
I did notice and responded.. and as a hostess.. I sent him on his disruptive way. Cha Mar 2016 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #2
Perhaps you failed to read the road signs? This IS the Hillary Group, a protected space. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #3
Now he's a named removed.. lol Cha Mar 2016 #7
They've really come crawling out of the woodwork this past week... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #8
From dkos, too.. who said no more Hillary bashing. Cha Mar 2016 #10
You're deflecting poorly. The OP is about BS' rigidity in not voting on an important bill to pass Cha Mar 2016 #4
I think we see the "tunnel vision" as a common trait with his supporters too.... beachbum bob Mar 2016 #9
Yes, like leader like followers... Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #11
I get the same sense of many sanders supporters that I got from Nader supporters in 2000 beachbum bob Mar 2016 #12
"My way or the highway" is indeed a CONSERVATIVE mindset, Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #15
Tunnel vision doesn't pass DemonGoddess Mar 2016 #14
His "my way or the highway" outlook has a lot of appeal to young independents pandr32 Mar 2016 #19
K&R! stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #13
Bernie Sanders is one "Dementional" and always Angry Walk away Mar 2016 #16
So many of the personality flaws wrongly attributed to Hillary... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #17
Please! If I were as cool and composed as Hillary... Walk away Mar 2016 #22
:-D NurseJackie Mar 2016 #23
Did you spell "dimensional" the way you did on purpose? jmowreader Mar 2016 #25
I should have put it in " "! Walk away Mar 2016 #26
yeah more and more we are getting his number! Her Sister Mar 2016 #18
Outstanding article. Two comments sums it up beautifully for me. Fla Dem Mar 2016 #20
Doctrinaire, dogmatic and arrogant. Not presidential qualities, at least in my book. Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #21
Tea Party Rigidity Loki Mar 2016 #24
K&R LisaM Mar 2016 #27
Not True. Take The ACA For Example. Billsmile Mar 2016 #28
It's his biggest weakness and flaw. Bernie on one side ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #29

Cha

(296,893 posts)
1. Yeah, he'd be a terrible president .. and not just for his rigidity, Surya... but that most
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:25 AM
Mar 2016

certainly doesn't help.

from you link..

The truth is that Bernie's stance on the Amber Alert was simply the latest in a political career filled with "principled" stances that did nothing but serve his own agenda. He has consistently voted against the Brady Bill because he felt the five-day federally mandated waiting period would be too long for Vermont residents. He voted against Ted Kennedy's comprehensive immigration bill because he didn't approve of the guest worker program which he felt would drive down wages for low-income workers. He voted against the second portion of the TARP funding which was used to help bail out the American automotive industry. He voted against President Bill Clinton's health care bill because it would cover 95% of the population rather than 100% through a single-payer system that Sanders was supporting. And he was even one of just 19 members of the House who voted against a bill that required rapists to identify their HIV status to their victims because he was concerned it might potentially force innocent people to undergo testing.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/18/me-first-why-bernie-sanders-voted-against-protecting-children

Lots of compelling info in the article.. Mahalo~
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
5. Yes, pretty well-written, I thought.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:33 AM
Mar 2016

Did you notice that there's a lost sheep in this thread, claiming that Hillary is a Republican?

I tried to explain that he'd taken a wrong turning, but perhaps a host needs to intervene?

Response to Surya Gayatri (Original post)

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
3. Perhaps you failed to read the road signs? This IS the Hillary Group, a protected space.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:30 AM
Mar 2016

You venture here to affirm that Hillary is a Republican?

Consider yourself on dangerous ground at your own risk and peril.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
8. They've really come crawling out of the woodwork this past week...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:41 AM
Mar 2016

Hill's latest 5-state sweep seems to have sent them into paroxysms of rage.

Cha

(296,893 posts)
10. From dkos, too.. who said no more Hillary bashing.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:46 AM
Mar 2016

Thank Goodness Skinner changed the jury system so they can't methodically hide and suspend our friends anymore.

Cha

(296,893 posts)
4. You're deflecting poorly. The OP is about BS' rigidity in not voting on an important bill to pass
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:30 AM
Mar 2016

like the Amber Alert because he wants to make a point.

He's not even close to presidential material.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
9. I think we see the "tunnel vision" as a common trait with his supporters too....
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:43 AM
Mar 2016

it hampers getting really ANYTHING done and why there is NO significant piece of legislation that Bernie was sole author of in all the years he has been in congress....he has been "co-sponsored: of others and has had some amendments passed...but the "my way or the highway" attitude is as pervasive in sanders (and his supporters) just as much as it is in most conservatives....

this attitude may work in dictatorships but pretty much fails in democracies where compromise and negotiations to get stuff done is THE key.....

not saying that bernie's ideas as bad....but if you aren't willing to compromise some....NOTHING would be accomplished. Even with Obama's willingness to compromise, conservatives pretty much obstructed everything they could (and still do)....bernie would accomplish NOTHING when faced with same opposition...at least obama got some stuff done....and why I see Hillary as the BEST person to be able to continue on the path that will benefit America



 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
11. Yes, like leader like followers...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:58 AM
Mar 2016

Excellent points, especially this:

"Not saying that bernie's ideas are bad....but if you aren't willing to compromise some....NOTHING would be accomplished."
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
12. I get the same sense of many sanders supporters that I got from Nader supporters in 2000
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:06 AM
Mar 2016

and their unwillingness not to see the issues in anything but black or white....no matter if Bush/cheney would get elected or not....to me it was a very shameful move on people who professed to be liberal, progressive and/or democratic.....because THEY knew that not supporting Gore.....bush/cheney had a real chance of winning. Very shameful move on their part and to me THOSE nader supporters bear the most responsibility for the 8 years of bush/cheney more so than the actual people who voted for bush/cheney.....

tunnel vision and unwillingness to compromise is NOT a trait to be proud of....not if you are a democrat, independent, progressive or liberal.....

my way or the highway serves conservatives...but we should NEVER have it be part of who WE are.....

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
15. "My way or the highway" is indeed a CONSERVATIVE mindset,
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:11 AM
Mar 2016

whether on the left or right side of the political spectrum.

If a Chinese apartatchic still holds rigidly to Maoist Red Book dogma, he must be considered a conservative. Conservatism under any other label is STILL conservatism.

Many Manicheans among the Bernie brigade, I fear.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
14. Tunnel vision doesn't pass
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:22 AM
Mar 2016

legislation. Compromise does. Do our Reps and Senators have to make compromises they don't like? You bet. Damn near daily, I'd bet. When the compromise gets us things like the ACA, the Amber Alert system, and other good things, it's certainly not a bad thing.

pandr32

(11,562 posts)
19. His "my way or the highway" outlook has a lot of appeal to young independents
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:12 PM
Mar 2016

...especially coming into a voting block for the first time. He is basically telling them that, even without much experience in the adult world, they have all the power--pretty heady stuff!

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
16. Bernie Sanders is one "Dementional" and always Angry
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:17 AM
Mar 2016

I'm waiting for some smart interviewer from CNN or MSNBC to ask him some hard questions and watch him blow! That would get them some awesome ratings.



NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
17. So many of the personality flaws wrongly attributed to Hillary...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 12:55 PM
Mar 2016

... seem more appropriate and more accurate for Bernie.

In my opinion, he'd be a diplomatic disaster waiting to happen.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
22. Please! If I were as cool and composed as Hillary...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:23 PM
Mar 2016

I'd still be married to my first husband and living in Tahiti! How can even the most delusional cult members (from either party) watch her handle every situation with aplomb and still think she has an anger management problem?

jmowreader

(50,533 posts)
25. Did you spell "dimensional" the way you did on purpose?
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:00 PM
Mar 2016

If so, you may be on to something...not only is he permanently pissed off, he's at the age when we need to be worrying about him.

Fla Dem

(23,593 posts)
20. Outstanding article. Two comments sums it up beautifully for me.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:17 PM
Mar 2016
"Bernie Sanders refuses to compromise for the common good. "


"The truth is that Bernie's stance on the Amber Alert was simply the latest in a political career filled with "principled" stances that did nothing but serve his own agenda."


His votes so that when he goes to bed at the end of the day, he can look in the mirror and tell himself "I did not compromise, I am still a good little Democratic Socialist."

LisaM

(27,794 posts)
27. K&R
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:32 PM
Mar 2016

I think this does a nice job of summing up the discomfort we have with Sanders, despite usually lining up with him idealogically. He reminds me of a teacher who punishes the whole class because one person threw a spitball. It also goes a long way towards explaining the tepid support from his colleagues.

Billsmile

(404 posts)
28. Not True. Take The ACA For Example.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:28 PM
Mar 2016
In December 2009, tensions ran high as Congress inched closer to a final health reform deal. Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., tapped Sanders to help win support from liberals who thought the bill was too weak as well as from Democrats from rural states who were facing mounting pressure. More funding for community health centers, Sanders argued, was a win-win solution for both camps, since the program would ensure access to health care for even the most remote areas of the country while also helping those without insurance. Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., among others, held out to the very last moment.

Two days before the Senate voted to break a Republican filibuster of the bill, Reid called on Sanders to make his case on the Senate floor. Sanders, in typical fashion, said the legislation was far from perfect, but thundered about the common-sense need for health centers, citing the acute demand for more primary care doctors, the cost-savings from patients who would otherwise use the emergency room for the common cold, the patient-centered model of clinics, and so on. Senate Democrats rallied and overcame the Republican filibuster.



https://theintercept.com/2015/07/06/gop-senators-support-sanders-obamacare-expansion/

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
29. It's his biggest weakness and flaw. Bernie on one side ...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:42 PM
Mar 2016

... and the polar opposite Tea Party on the other, nothing would get done. Everyone would just sit back and be "proud of themselves" for standing-their-ground and not compromising "on principle".

Woo fucking hoo.

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