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OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 06:04 PM Jun 2014

Why Hillary Clinton Will Win in 2016

Last edited Sun Jun 22, 2014, 06:42 PM - Edit history (1)


This is posted in the Hillary Clinton GROUP

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/06/22/why_hillary_clinton_will_win_in_2016_123058.html

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Eight years later, voters will have the chance to put another iniquitous legacy behind them. I think they will take it. The polls show Hillary leading all the likely Republican nominees, and I think that support is solid, particularly among women. Millions will demur to their husbands or more conservative colleagues, fib to pollsters and quietly fill out their ballots. America will find that its women have long memories.

It was in 1897 that Susan B. Anthony wrote, “There never will be complete equality until women themselves help to make laws and elect lawmakers.” More than a century later, Nancy Pelosi had those words -- and the words of others -- in her mind when she became the first female House speaker.

In a story she has told many times, Pelosi recalls going to the White House as speaker for the first time. She felt her chair “getting crowded” as though others were sitting in it with her.

“I swear this happened,” she said. “And then I realized Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Lucretia Mott, Alice Paul, Sojourner Truth -- you name it -- they were all in that chair…and I could hear them say: ‘At last we have a seat at the table.’”


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So many people do not understand the above.
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Why Hillary Clinton Will Win in 2016 (Original Post) OKNancy Jun 2014 OP
Polling against Republicans for the uninformed OKNancy Jun 2014 #1
STRONG vadermike Jun 2014 #5
agreed but vadermike Jun 2014 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author NYC_SKP Jun 2014 #3
Look carefully Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #4
respect vadermike Jun 2014 #6
you don't have a prayer OKNancy Jun 2014 #7
and none with the same gravitas to win.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #8
yeah vadermike Jun 2014 #9
I have not heard one supporter of HRC call for no 2016 Primary.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #14
If Hillary decides to run, She will be the Next President of the United States. William769 Jun 2014 #10
Equality means voting for a candidate independent of the number of X chromosomes. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2014 #11
What exactly are you trying to convey here? William769 Jun 2014 #13
That "she's a woman" isn't a good reason to vote for a candidate. jeff47 Jun 2014 #16
I agree. but if you notice this is the Hillary Clinton Group. William769 Jun 2014 #19
it doesn't matter to YOU obviously! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #21
Picking a candidate because of their gender isn't equality jeff47 Jun 2014 #23
and how would YOU know that? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #24
I am asking politely that you cease and desist this line of thought here. William769 Jun 2014 #25
So....is voting for policies is a bad thing? (nt) jeff47 Jun 2014 #27
Calrification sent via PM. William769 Jun 2014 #29
I was wondering the same.....what ARE you suggesting? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #15
Nope. I'm arguing that "vote for her because she's a woman" is not equality. jeff47 Jun 2014 #17
Is that what you told Black people that supported Barack Obama too? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #18
Yes. jeff47 Jun 2014 #20
HOW dare YOU presume to tell someone that is why they are supporting them..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #22
No, I'm reading what the article in the OP wrote. jeff47 Jun 2014 #26
so? Is that skin off your nose? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #28
so with you!! we vote on qualifications! Hillary most of all would agree!!! ALBliberal Jun 2014 #30
I vote my own best interests..... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #33
I followed the Clintons in the eighties, voted for him in the nineties and hope to see Hillary as Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #12
Why don't we get off this Hillary will win in 2016 bullshit and doc03 Jun 2014 #31
You do realize this is the Hillary Clinton Group? William769 Jun 2014 #32
No I did not notice it was a Hillary Clinton Group, didn't know there doc03 Jun 2014 #35
I don't get why people feel the need to come in the Hillary Clinton room to poo-poo her. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #34

vadermike

(1,415 posts)
5. STRONG
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 06:23 PM
Jun 2014

Hillary would be formidible.. just some tweaking on this money deal and I think she should be OK..... Does anyone know.. who she has rumored to pick as advisors? I know Podesta is an old friend/advisor.. Lanny Davis.... what about Robbie Mook who was on the Obama team.. I think he has been mentioned as well... I think Paul Krugman would be great as her economics advisor (that's just me wishing tho.. haha) Warren Buffet and Paul Volker would be good too.... I could actually see us picking up some Repub endorsements like Christine Todd Whitman, especially if the Repubs nominate a Cruz/Paul/Perry........

vadermike

(1,415 posts)
2. agreed but
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 06:11 PM
Jun 2014

I largely agree.. and like Hillary and respect her a great deal.. I voted for Bill twice and helped volunteer, (my first vote at 18 years old)... But she really needs to be careful when speaking about their money situation.. get a handle on this now .. becasue the Republicans could ride this to victory if she keeps speaking about this way.. look what happened to Romney... she is no Romney .. much much much better .. but they could do to us.. what we did to them if we are not careful.. I am encouraged she no longer has Mark Penn on the payroll and that she would be forming a new team.. but if she makes a few more gaffes like this , it could be lights out quickly.. ... IMO she is our best chance for '16........!!!

Response to OKNancy (Original post)

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
4. Look carefully
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 06:21 PM
Jun 2014

This is actually in the HRC group, which is for HRC fans to post in, not the rest of us. (Just a heads up.)

vadermike

(1,415 posts)
6. respect
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 06:25 PM
Jun 2014

I respect and admire Senator Warren alot.. i sent money to her.. i don't think she would be as strong a candidate for us in '16 Pres.... now the future .. absolutely.. in the meantime she can build a nice progressive record in the Senate... !!! She will be much more effective there for now... IMO...

vadermike

(1,415 posts)
9. yeah
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jun 2014

HRC is our best choice to win in '16.. normally i would say you sometimes have to take polls with a grain of salt.. but they are shwoing that should she run, which i think she will... she would be very strong.. i don't think all of the people in those polls are all lying.... mathematically as well as policy and personality wise she would be strong.. just needs some tweaks and needs to show that she is not "inevitable" , in other words it's fine if we get some primary challengers in there.. it should not be a complete cakewalk... it is helathy for the party..... IMO

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
14. I have not heard one supporter of HRC call for no 2016 Primary....
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:47 PM
Jun 2014

why this keeps coming up I don't know....

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
16. That "she's a woman" isn't a good reason to vote for a candidate.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:49 PM
Jun 2014

If her policies align with yours, vote for her. Whether or not she's a woman doesn't matter.

William769

(55,142 posts)
19. I agree. but if you notice this is the Hillary Clinton Group.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:54 PM
Jun 2014

People are posting here to support her. In fact that's even in the SOP for this Group. So forgive me I just like to clarify all posts that are posted in this Group.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
21. it doesn't matter to YOU obviously!
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:57 PM
Jun 2014

Perhaps to some women....the fact that she IS Democratic woman....that IS a good reason. Equality hasn't exactly happened yet has it?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
23. Picking a candidate because of their gender isn't equality
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jun 2014

Whether you're picking the candidate because she's a woman, or because he's a man.

Vote on policies. If you like Clinton's policies, vote for her. If you don't, vote for someone else. We'll see how the primaries turn out.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
24. and how would YOU know that?
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:01 PM
Jun 2014

Have you ever been disenfranchised? As I said....easy for YOU to say....

If a woman wants to vote for a woman BECAUSE she is a woman....who are you to judge? I happen to have a couple Republican women friends back home...who may vote across Party lines to vote for another woman. As I said...who are you to judge?

William769

(55,142 posts)
25. I am asking politely that you cease and desist this line of thought here.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jun 2014

If you have something supportive to add, we will be more than happy to hear it. Otherwise...

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
17. Nope. I'm arguing that "vote for her because she's a woman" is not equality.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:50 PM
Jun 2014

Vote for her because her policies align with yours. Whether she's a woman or a man doesn't matter.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
18. Is that what you told Black people that supported Barack Obama too?
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:51 PM
Jun 2014

Pretty easy for a White male to preach that....

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
20. Yes.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:57 PM
Jun 2014

Voting for someone because of their race or sex is not equality. That is why you get angry when people vote for a white man because of race and sex.

Being the first ________ elected president is going to be recorded as an accomplishment - JFK as first Catholic. Obama as first African American. And if Clinton wins in 2016, she'll go down in history similarly.

But we should be voting for the best candidate, independent of their race, gender, religion, hair color, height, weight, speaking style, favorite color, or any of the other dumb reasons to choose a candidate.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
22. HOW dare YOU presume to tell someone that is why they are supporting them.....
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:59 PM
Jun 2014

How dare you presume it is a woman you are talking to....

How dare you say that it isn't significant to have gotten a Black man to the Presidency...How dare you tell women its not as significant an achievement....

its all very easy for YOU to say...

women ARE the majority and we are the least represented group!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
26. No, I'm reading what the article in the OP wrote.
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:05 PM
Jun 2014

The article advocates voting for Clinton because she's a woman.

How dare you say that it isn't significant to have gotten a Black man to the Presidency

I'm talking about choosing a candidate, not how the election will be recorded by history.

Voting for Clinton because she's a woman, as advocated by the article, is not a good thing. Vote for her because you like her policies, or you think she has the best chance to win.

We should be concerned about policy, not what a future historian writes.
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
28. so? Is that skin off your nose?
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 08:07 PM
Jun 2014

Why does that bother you?

"vote against the woman to prove you are not JUST voting for her because she is a woman"!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
12. I followed the Clintons in the eighties, voted for him in the nineties and hope to see Hillary as
Sun Jun 22, 2014, 07:32 PM
Jun 2014

Our first female president. This nation needs her leadership.

doc03

(35,295 posts)
31. Why don't we get off this Hillary will win in 2016 bullshit and
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 12:46 AM
Jun 2014

worry about 2014. If the Republicans take the Senate in 2014 it won't much matter about 2016.

William769

(55,142 posts)
32. You do realize this is the Hillary Clinton Group?
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:19 AM
Jun 2014

Many of us can chew gum and walk at the same time.

I ask that you be respectful when posting in this Group.

Thank you.

doc03

(35,295 posts)
35. No I did not notice it was a Hillary Clinton Group, didn't know there
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:01 PM
Jun 2014

was one. But I stand by my comment, why don't we worry about the 2014 election before we start on 2016. Remember Hillary was a shoe-in back in 2008, how did that work out? I wish she would have won back in 2008, I think she would have been a much better choice than Obama. I always just check the latest threads and am guilty of not seeing what group a thread is posted in sometimes.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
34. I don't get why people feel the need to come in the Hillary Clinton room to poo-poo her.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:28 PM
Jun 2014

They can do that in gd.

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