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CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:39 AM Mar 2016

My answer to those who say they will vote according to their "progressive principles"

In my view it is hypercritical to claim that you are voting third party or not voting at all because you are obeying your "progressive principles". Why? It's simple - you are not using your vote to stop Republicans from taking control of the White House, both Houses of Congress, and the Supreme Court when you know that if that were to happen many people who can least afford it will suffer under Republican rule.

It's disingenuous to claim you are acting in accordance with your "progressive principles" when your actions, or lack there of, puts others in harms way. The main difference between progressives and conservatives is that conservatives only seek to take care of themselves while progressives are concentrated on the greater good. You have a right to vote anyway you please, but if you are going vote third party or not vote at all, quite lying to me and yourself by saying you are are acting in accordance with your progressive principles. True progressives don't behave in that manner.

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My answer to those who say they will vote according to their "progressive principles" (Original Post) CajunBlazer Mar 2016 OP
not very progressive to blackmail people Her Sister Mar 2016 #1
Not very progressive to tarnish, tar and feather other progressives. n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #2
+ a million! eom BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #3
That is their only way of venting fun n serious Mar 2016 #4
Yes, I think you are right CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #5
Yes. Also, fun n serious Mar 2016 #6
Yea, but they are uppidy clinging to their highminded progressive principles CajunBlazer Mar 2016 #7
I agree completely! pandr32 Mar 2016 #8
 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
1. not very progressive to blackmail people
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:48 AM
Mar 2016

into voting for your candidate! or censuring/disappearing HRC supporters in this site! or using authoritarian tones b/c only you know better! Condescending to POC.

Gosh, just not impressed!

WITH HER!
TRUST HER!

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
4. That is their only way of venting
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016

what they know is coming... Let them say whatever they wish and vote however they wish. We will be OK. Hillary will have enough to back the general election without them. It will not be a close General.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
5. Yes, I think you are right
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:45 PM
Mar 2016

If Trump is there candidate, and to a lesser extent Cruz, there will be Republicans who will either sit on there hands or vote for Hillary because they don't want either of those two to become the face of the GOP. Polls show that Clinton will get the vast majority of the youth vote, and the Hispanics, Blacks and single women - the fastest growing demo graphs - will not vote for either Trump or Cruz.

If the Republican tries to rob either of those guys of the nomination in borkered convention, there will be an all out war in GOP will cost them the nomination. The only other thing they can do is to run an independent candidate against Trump, to insure that their nominee will lose. Which ever way they go they are ......

The only way that could save them is for Sanders to win the Democratic nomination and it sure doesn't look like that is going to happen.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
6. Yes. Also,
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:49 PM
Mar 2016

I would add. Obama will not sit and do nothing. He will stump for Hillary everyday! Obama does not strike me as someone who is going to go away from political life. He will be very involved in helping Hillary win. Let them start their own party, vote green or whatever they wish. Responding to their juvenile behavior is what they want.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
7. Yea, but they are uppidy clinging to their highminded progressive principles
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:23 PM
Mar 2016

That I like bring them down a notch by illustrating to them that the they are behaving despicably when judged in accordance with their own progressive principles. They don't have prepared talking points for that line of reasoning because when viewed from that perspective their proposed course of voting for the Green candidate is totally indefensible.

Then there is the small matter that the Green candidate, Jill Stein, who is a medical doctor, who has no experience running thing bigger than a girl scout troop. She has run for Massachusetts House of Representatives, the Massachusetts Senate, the office of Massachusetts Secretary and President of the United States and was defeated in very large to huge margins in every one of those races. The only office to which she has ever elected was one of 22 "Representatives to the Town Meeting" of her home town of Lexington, Massachusetts, a town of just over 31,394 people.


Jill Stein couldn't be elected dogcatcher anywhere else and that's probably a good thing. If she won she would be so unprepared that she would probably have a nervous breakdown her first day in the White House.

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