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Legal action is already underway in Arizona (Original Post) pandr32 Mar 2016 OP
Received information in another reply there is a place for voters to check on their Thinkingabout Mar 2016 #1
But that's hard and Treant Mar 2016 #2
especially on the internets! Just click send.. misterhighwasted Mar 2016 #3
I hope they can catch people committing fraud too. LisaM Mar 2016 #9
It is going to be an even bigger problem in the GE pandr32 Mar 2016 #11
I think that there is some of that going on too. LisaM Mar 2016 #26
Whenever the Sanders' campaign or supporters do something illegal, they sue! Walk away Mar 2016 #4
That does seem to be how they try to solve problems pandr32 Mar 2016 #12
So does Donald Trump! Walk away Mar 2016 #16
Ha-ha--yep! pandr32 Mar 2016 #23
Can you believe the Bernistas were blaming this on the DNC & Wasserman-Schultz? Threatening.... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #5
They're out-to-lunch about many things pandr32 Mar 2016 #10
Do we no longer teach Civics & Government in the public shools anymore? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #14
In some schools, depending on States--no pandr32 Mar 2016 #21
They need to learn a little recent history SharonClark Mar 2016 #13
Agreed. n/t Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #15
Well, in all fairness EVERYTHING is HC's or the DNC's fault (sarcasm) pandr32 Mar 2016 #18
I can't believe OPs saying this are allowed. LisaM Mar 2016 #27
AZ did exactly what the USSC said they could. When they gutted the VRA, the FEC no longer has... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2016 #28
Hillary being blammed by Bernie Supporters Jamie Mayfield Mar 2016 #6
You and me both Coolest Ranger Mar 2016 #7
They are mad Loki Mar 2016 #8
Absolutely right on! pandr32 Mar 2016 #19
If they want to see the real problem they should look in Bernie's mirror jmowreader Mar 2016 #25
I really hope we get to the point that all ballots are mail in, drop off, or on-line pandr32 Mar 2016 #29
I wouldn't want an online voting system jmowreader Mar 2016 #30
It would be as secure as filing taxes pandr32 Mar 2016 #31
Filing your taxes is not that secure. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #32
Nothing is--is it? pandr32 Mar 2016 #35
I feel safe enough with my banking and other internet activity. LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #36
Good Trenzalore Mar 2016 #17
I know some Bernie supporters want to blame Hillary SharonClark Mar 2016 #20
We don't have much time before the GE pandr32 Mar 2016 #22
The caucuses take the franchise away from many people, Dawson Leery Mar 2016 #24
I can't believe SOME of the Bernie supporters that think Hillary supporters LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #33
Weeks before the elections.. Democrats have been sounding the alarm.. Cha Mar 2016 #34

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. Received information in another reply there is a place for voters to check on their
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:21 PM
Mar 2016

provisional ballots.

https://voter.azsos.gov/VoterView/ProvisionalBallotSearch.do

Instead of jumping up and shouting and screaming the energy should be placed in finding out if the ballots are getting certified and if certified then they are counted. If the provisional ballots are not certified I would hope some action would be taken for voter fraud against the person filling out the provisional ballot. It will be interesting to see if there was non qualified people attempting to vote and disrupting the voting process of qualified voters. More to this story than has been admitted.

LisaM

(27,790 posts)
9. I hope they can catch people committing fraud too.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:53 PM
Mar 2016

This was a perfect storm, competitive races, high turnout, repeal of the Voting Rights Act so Arizona could get away with lowering the number of voting sites, Arizona Republican officials actually lowering the number of voting sites, and then a large number of people switching their registrations from Independent to Democrat or Republican so that they could vote for Sanders or Trump. It sounds like this process also mucked up some existing Democratic registrations too, but didn't it occur to the people doing it that a massive number of people re-registering for a different party could cause problems?

On top of that, probably some people who weren't really eligible to vote demanding ballots anyway.

pandr32

(11,544 posts)
11. It is going to be an even bigger problem in the GE
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:25 PM
Mar 2016

Republicans and vote suppression go hand and hand--they have no hope winning with their "values" or whichever candidate becomes the nominee.

LisaM

(27,790 posts)
26. I think that there is some of that going on too.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:40 AM
Mar 2016

This concept of disruption that is so pervasive - the Uberization of the voting process. I don't like the rules so I'm going to break the rules.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
4. Whenever the Sanders' campaign or supporters do something illegal, they sue!
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:00 PM
Mar 2016

It's so scammy! The hallmark of Ted "The Not So" Devine!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,220 posts)
5. Can you believe the Bernistas were blaming this on the DNC & Wasserman-Schultz? Threatening....
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:13 PM
Mar 2016

all kinds of retribution against the Democratic Party for something the AZ legislature did?

pandr32

(11,544 posts)
10. They're out-to-lunch about many things
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:22 PM
Mar 2016

They are woefully misinformed, and it seems Sanders is happily taking advantage.

pandr32

(11,544 posts)
21. In some schools, depending on States--no
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:46 PM
Mar 2016

In others it is sometimes a single semester class that could easily be slept through. It should be taught in all schools beginning with Middle School--ditto for current events and world history. How can we expect to compete in a growing international economy if Americans are clueless about everything?

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
13. They need to learn a little recent history
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:27 PM
Mar 2016

before they write their knee-jerk anti-Democratic Party comments. Clueless.

pandr32

(11,544 posts)
18. Well, in all fairness EVERYTHING is HC's or the DNC's fault (sarcasm)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:40 PM
Mar 2016

I mean, we wouldn't have any problem with ISIL if it wasn't for Hillary's vote, right? The fact that she stood on the Senate floor, in front of Sanders, and gave a cautionary speech underscoring how important it was to let the inspectors do their job before any military action would be considered seems to have been erased from his memory. Bush and Cheney did not bother to let the inspectors finish--they lied to Congress.

LisaM

(27,790 posts)
27. I can't believe OPs saying this are allowed.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:42 AM
Mar 2016

Someone linked to some Russian rag as a source and it stood.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,220 posts)
28. AZ did exactly what the USSC said they could. When they gutted the VRA, the FEC no longer has...
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:59 AM
Mar 2016

the right to pre-approve any changes they want to make with regard to voting. AZ should be sued by it's voters because I'm sure it wasn't only BS voters standing in those 5 hour lines. This could impact the general election if it's not attended to now. How the hell do you go from 200 polling locations to only 60 in four short years?

And trust me, I'm no longer surprised what's allowed to be posted at DU, or the weird sources they use as backup.

Jamie Mayfield

(11 posts)
6. Hillary being blammed by Bernie Supporters
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:08 PM
Mar 2016

I am seeing tons of Bernie supporters now blaming Hillary for this. Hillary was always going to win Arizona and every poll indicated that. I am sorry but I am sick to death of Bernie supporters already. They make Hillary out to be a republican and anything liberal she says they say she stole from Hillary. Never once crosses their minds that two democrats would have similar views.

For anyone interested, the woman who decreased the amount of polling places was a republican.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
8. They are mad
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

because all the little tricks they were hoping to pull like they did in Missouri, just didn't work in Arizona. Missouri - Open Primary.....
Arizona - closed primary. So sorry #notsorry. Plus an edit for them to know that republicans control everything in Arizona, governor, and both legislative houses. They don't want people to vote.

jmowreader

(50,520 posts)
25. If they want to see the real problem they should look in Bernie's mirror
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:56 PM
Mar 2016

It is very simple, children: If you KNOW there are going to be a limited number of polling stations open on election day and you KNOW you want your vote to count, you do an absentee ballot. (Welcome to DU, Jamie!)

Bernie's biggest problem in Arizona - and it is immense - is that he claimed illegal immigration isn't a problem; that all we need to do to fix it is implement criminal justice reform. This answer demonstrates the absolute tone-deafness of the Sanders campaign; in Arizona, illegal immigration is a HUGE FUCKING PROBLEM! When Bernie said they just need to fix the criminal justice system to fix illegal immigration, the first thing I thought was, "there goes Arizona and California..."

pandr32

(11,544 posts)
29. I really hope we get to the point that all ballots are mail in, drop off, or on-line
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:54 PM
Mar 2016

It sure would get rid of a whole lot of drama. Online would be like doing our taxes online with a pin# and/or password. A mailed or e-mailed notice would give confirmation, but of course one would be able to print out their ballot straight from the site as soon as they vote to keep for their records (and in case of problems).
The tradition of going to the polls is hopelessly outdated and problematic.

jmowreader

(50,520 posts)
30. I wouldn't want an online voting system
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:01 PM
Mar 2016

Someone WOULD figure out how to hack it, and then the Republicans would start hiring Russian "victory shops" to stuff the online ballot box for them. Mail-in is fine, but keep it on paper please.

pandr32

(11,544 posts)
31. It would be as secure as filing taxes
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:39 PM
Mar 2016

We already have "hacking" of electronic voting machines and all kinds of voter suppression. Besides--everyone would have a record via confirmation.

LiberalFighter

(50,744 posts)
36. I feel safe enough with my banking and other internet activity.
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:17 AM
Mar 2016

I've done tax filing online and it is too easy for that.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
17. Good
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:36 PM
Mar 2016

I know the Sanders supporters think that Hillary somehow conspired with the Republicans that hate her in the state but it needs to be cleaned up before the General. McCain is weak and it could be a Senate pick-up.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
20. I know some Bernie supporters want to blame Hillary
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:42 PM
Mar 2016

but all Democrats should be outraged by the voting problems caused by the Republicans in their effort to suppress the vote. The Mayor of Phoenix has written Loretta Lynch about the possible violations of the Voting Rights Act. I hope more elected Dems will speak up as well.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
24. The caucuses take the franchise away from many people,
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:48 PM
Mar 2016

including the disabled, those who have to work, our military, those who are sick on the day of the caucus, etc....

Only voting can enfranchise everyone.

LiberalFighter

(50,744 posts)
33. I can't believe SOME of the Bernie supporters that think Hillary supporters
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:10 AM
Mar 2016

are okay with the Arizona fiasco. And complaining that Hillary didn't say anything about it.

Cha

(296,679 posts)
34. Weeks before the elections.. Democrats have been sounding the alarm..
Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:52 AM
Mar 2016
For weeks, some Democrats have been sounding the alarm about not enough polling places in Maricopa County for Tuesday's presidential primary.

They warned that reducing the number of polling places from 200 during the 2012 primary election to 60 would mean long lines and discourage people from voting
.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/elviadiaz/2016/03/22/maricopa-county-election-officials-writing-off-voters-you-bet/82145554/

This hurt Hillary, too.. maybe more so.. since the diverse voters like her the best.

Thank you, pandr~
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