You seem to have a great heart.

So I find it very strange that you have such an affinity (identity) with the neo-fascist Latin American right wing, a faction that has no affection whatsoever for anything but private profit at the expense of ... well, everything that you claim to care about.

After all, there is an ineluctable history to account for.

I find it strange that you abstract from the damage that the neo-fascist right wing is doing and intends to do to the economies that it makes war on. In the same way I find it strange that some folk who claim to care about the Cuban economy will abstract from the fact of the US embargo in preparation for claiming that every result is caused by the Cuban gov't.

that's just a vacuous personal attack.
I expect better than that.

in Venezuela?

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"these crooks and criminals in Venezuela" recently won yet another election.

If you can't start on that basis, then your heart isn't in the right place.

Yes, "these crooks and criminals in Venezuela" do want universal gov't guaranteed health care and education of the Venezuelan people to the best extent practical, even considering the encumbrance of following after decades of deprivation provided by the fascist and neo-fascist colonialist regimes.

I think those goals are worthy of Canada, and I'm a Canadian. I don't think we in Canada have the best systems possible, but I do think we in Canada have several fairly good and well-working systems that are the result of decades of struggle between the forces of the *need* for private profit and the *need* for the "life" part of the "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" creed. I'm appalled by the election of Stephen Harper. He's a fucking teabagger or worse.

the country. The only things the government can come up with are conspiracy theories.

We can clearly see now that you only care for the ideology, not for the people. You just fake your involvement in social matters.

It is really ironic how you dare talk of neo-fascism... for those assholes too, ideology comes before people.

I suggest you try to build bridges with your buddies here in Venezuela and come shout "Fatherland, Socialism or Death" with our Army. Maybe you'll feel more like a true leftist wannabe then.

You've still yet to refute any points discussed so far that don't favor the Chavista regime, and all you've been capable of coming up with is saying "bullshit" without elaborating on it or trying to reduce the discussion to personal attacks. You're pathetic.

He beat FR to the punch on the identical article by a full two days!
Other than that discrepancy there's a perfect match, opinion for FR opinion.

If they can't feed their anti-brown and black skinned Hispanic hatred daily, and dream of brown and black dead Latin Americans lying in pools of blood sometime in the future, their whole world collapses.

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You really need to solve some very dirty stuff with your own ancestors. After all, less than a century ago, they were hanging people like me to their garden trees. Traumatizing past indeed.

and economic wreckers pretend that their cause is the alleviation of poverty. These people (whether posting to FR or not) express visceral hatred for the Bolivarian missions that brought (for one) universal health care and (for two) education to an impoverished people. That brought some hope. They express visceral hatred for "socialism" (see up-thread, but theirs is a constant and defining hate). They pretend that the histories of the politicians that they support, the family (dynasty) histories and the histories of their fascist and neo-fascist associates don't exist, or have no relevance. The FR style of pretending to actually *care* about alleviating the condition of a people decimated and impoverished at the hands of their neo-lib neo-con fascist political masters makes my skin crawl.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-economic-and-social-performance-under-hugo-chavez/5326013

In defiance of the fascist and neo-fascist wreckers, Hugo Chavez had an impact.

eta: here's another one from Bruce Cockburn

the racist, fascist oligarchs were cursing, mocking, reviling both the poor, and the man the people of Venezuela elected as their President.

And these clowns came here to smear him, to tell their lies, to mock him daily, showing the whole website just how little they learned about life and the human race growing up. They came to show us how narrow minded, ignorant, primitive their parents were during their upbringings, as they taught them to hate, fear, and despise brown and black people, and to see poor people as their "inferiors."

Can you imagine? Inferior! Once they've established that in their pea brains, they leap to their first conclusion that they don't have to respect anyone who isn't just like their parents and their parents' friends and relatives, the whole bunch of greedy, grabby, shallow, dull idiots. That becomes their way of "life." Stupid hate.

Thank you for sharing the Bruce Cockburn video, had never heard this one. So glad I've heard it tonight. So glad he's one of the people who've been keeping track of what the monsters among us have been doing, too. I have a very good suspicion there are FAR more of these moral, concerned beings than the murderous, greedy clowns realize.

Fellow troll oligarchy enthusiast and all.

Stay blind, you are a perfect illustration.

Got any compelling evidence to contradict the report's accuracy?

article in that site that you frequent.

You're in deep denial about exactly who you are.
I don't link to FR at DU. I think it's against the rules, but even if it weren't I wouldn't give such a cesspool the hits. I suppose it isn't so surprising that a link to FR came up almost immediately when I tried to find some background for your OP.

Google it: "Poverty Shoots Up in Venezuela" and add the full FR name. The first hit will land you in the midst of your fellow "thinkers", Bacchus.4.0. The opinions expressed in those threads are identical to the ones you and your fellow anti-democratic coup supporting economic wreckers express here. Identical in every particular except one: at FR they aren't afraid to admit that they're extreme right-wing wack-job fascist supporting goons.

not because its posted on DU or that other site that you read, or even at the same time, its because of the policies of the inept chavista government. I am sorry the horrible news from Venezuela is inconvenient for you. That government is completely fucked up, only an idiot could support them.

Without windfall oil profits.

This isn't about "being right wing" this is about supporting social democracy, one that allows for free enterprise but also highly regulates and redistributes.

In Venezuela the redistribution is through cronyism. Most of us supported Chavismo when it started, but what it has become is a shell of what it could've been. It really burns us and that's why so many spend time criticizing Venezuela's cronyism. Even Chavez admitted he was responsible for the boligarchs.

Look at the facts.
Statistics in Venezuela before Chavez,
and statistics in Venezuela after.

Now, here I'm going to have to delete myself, because I'd go over every DU jury red line if I were to say what I really feel.

I only linked it because I summerize it clearly there. Anyone can read the provided statistics if they wish.

And yet you still ignore them. You're no better than all those Tea Party/ultra conservative right-wing bigots you despise so much. The only difference is that you're blinded by a different ideology.

from Brazil eliminated, after she spoke sharply to him and his little thug group of several a-holes who all gang-attacked her, worked her over, mocked and ridiculed her, trashed her relentlessly with their dirty right-wing snot, and she was absolutely treasured by every Democrat in the Latam forum, believe me.

They do it to anyone who pays any attention to them whatsoever.

They also tried to do it to another fantastic poster/blogger we all love who shares so many of our values, focusing on Haiti, Bolivia, Venezuela.

What a f#cking shame. Everyone needs to know who they are, all the time.

But I might be wrong. They all do write the same.

They're really not people persons, are they? More like "facets" of one great big, dull, cheap, artificial gemstone.

Every time we post something with raw numbers and evidence of the incompetence of this government, you and others simply decide it's all fake when clearly what we show you is information from unbiased, believable sources. Hell, we've posted clear evidence of the violent repression that has been perpetrated by government security forces and colectivos, but you still refuse to believe any of it even when it's irrefutable. Your stubbornness and inability to talk these points without trying to reduce the discussion into name-calling and some kind of ideological war is precisely why people like your friend from Brazil get banned: you've got no arguments to back you up so you decide to make things personal. The Venezuelan regime, especially now under Maduro, is clearly run by a corrupt and incompetent nepotistic bunch of malandros who only wish to cling to power rather than help the Venezuelan people. You don't need to take my word for it, you can simply check the numbers to confirm it. The fact that you pretend that these numbers are lies is the main reason why y'all don't really last long in these threads before becoming banned from them: it's not how a discussion works, which is what forums are about.

suppose.



Everyone has a cellphone and cable, but they can't afford decent housing, food, toilet paper and laundry soap.

The country is a mess.

They really are basic necessities these days not luxuries. You are using a RW argument when you espouse such. I would find it very hard to give up either and would give up other "luxury" items you listed before I gave up cellphone or cable (at least internet access).

consider health care and education.
consider the natural wealth of the country people reside in.

That's what these fuckers want to take away from the Venezuelan people.

They want it ALL. Just as they took it all in the USA.