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forest444

(5,902 posts)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:25 PM Mar 2016

Left to right: Obama's pendular swing through Latin America.

President Barack Obama departed today from his historic state visit to Cuba and will land around midnight in Argentina. This pendular motion from visiting a country ruled by a left-wing government, to one now ruled by a right-wing government, has to do with U.S. politics. The visit to Argentina seeks to neutralize any "left-wing" aspersions Obama's critics have cast against him for his Cuban visit.

To be sure, the president's visits to both countries are mainly of symbolic significance. For Cuba this visit, while mostly a gesture with no concrete announcements on disputes such as the 54-year blockade or the return of Guantánamo, was nevertheless meaningful in that it broke the proverbial ice. This was no easy undertaking, given the opposition from certain quarters within the CIA and the Miami Cuban exile community, which for decades monopolized official Washington policy toward Cuba. Obama's visit breaks that barrier and opens up a range of possibilities for the island.

For the Cuban people, moreover, the fact that the first President of the United States to visit the island in 88 years is black and has an elegant, beautiful black wife makes the thaw in relations all the more endearing. The Obama family has a special charisma among the Cuban people. For President Obama it's important to dispel notions that the U.S. is Cuba's enemy as this has been the principal obstacle the U.S. has had in winning the ideological dispute. And time was of the essence, because it would have been very different with Trump or Clinton.

Obama's visit to Argentina, however, lacks either the symbolism or the potential for concrete announcements. This is an administration which, paradoxically, has been less supportive than George W. Bush's was on Argentina's principal bilateral dispute with the U.S.: vulture funds and their demands for astronomical payouts on old defaulted bonds.

The Obama administration voted against the Argentine proposal at the UN General Assembly for an international debt/bondholder dispute resolution mechanism - a proposal approved last year by a vast majority of countries at the General Assembly. Nor did the Obama administration intervene in the judicial dispute with vulture funds when it could have done so, and despite the fact that those who control vulture funds are massive contributors to the Republican Party.

Before embarking in his Latin American tour, Obama made statements about the region designed to placate the right. Referring to Argentina, he mentioned that with former President Cristina Kirchner "I had a warm relationship; but her policies were anti-American." He provided no specifics, nor did he mention the vulture funds. He spoke as if the bad image that the U.S. has in Latin America was the work of a Marxist or populist campaign, rather than their own history of interventionist policies in the political realm and predatory actions in the economic.

His visit to Argentina is in that spirit. The very timing of his arrival, just three months after President Mauricio Macri took office - a right-winger who's a friend of Donald Trump (and not of Obama or Hillary Clinton) - further underscores that point.

It should also be noted that while the U.S. ostracized Cuba until only recently, Cuba has had normal and fraternal relations with all its Latin American neighbors - particularly over the last decade. This did not occur by happenstance; it was the result of efforts by regional leaders such as Brazil's Lula da Silva, Argentina's Néstor Kirchner, and Venezuela's Hugo Chávez. Their advocacy for the incorporation of Cuba into the regional community of nations led to a break in Cuba's isolation, and arguably paved the way for Obama's policy of rapprochement today.

The problem is that these efforts to promote U.S.-Cuban reconciliation were carried out without asking permission from the State Department. However prescient these efforts may seem today, for Washington they are an example of "anti-American" policy of the kind Macri would never make the "mistake" of pursuing.

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Left to right: Obama's pendular swing through Latin America. (Original Post) forest444 Mar 2016 OP
Very interesting. So good to see this. Had never considered balance might be needed, Judi Lynn Mar 2016 #1
Zing! forest444 Mar 2016 #2
Just clicked on your link, it's 7:17 EST am, and they showed a shot of an intersection Judi Lynn Mar 2016 #3
And what a day it was: 'ˇALCA, al carajo!" ('to hell with ALCA'). forest444 Mar 2016 #4

Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
1. Very interesting. So good to see this. Had never considered balance might be needed,
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:14 PM
Mar 2016

by hooking Macri to the Cuban visit, and muffling the screeches about the Cuba visit from the US Republicans.

Rather skillful!

I can't remember that a US President has been to Argentina in a long time. Can you? Hmmmmm.

If G W had tried it, Kirchner would have handed him his @$$, politely, probably.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
2. Zing!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:40 PM
Mar 2016

"Muffling the screeches" is exactly what it is.

To answer your question, sitting U.S. Presidents have visited Argentina on just six occasions: FDR, 1936; Ike, 1959; Poppy Bush, 1990; Clinton, 1997; Dubya, 2005; and Obama.

If you're interested Judi, here's a live news link from Argentina for President Obama's arrival at Ezeiza International Airport (any minute now).



It's worth noting that Obama's arriving at almost 1:00 a.m. local time, which to me seems clearly designed to let Macri know he wants as little to do with him as possible. Presidents on state visits, as you know, almost always arrive by day; to arrive so close to bedtime is a thinly-veiled message.

Enjoy!

Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
3. Just clicked on your link, it's 7:17 EST am, and they showed a shot of an intersection
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:07 AM
Mar 2016

in Buenos Aires, I imagine, with cop cars blocking traffic, as if they are awaiting official cars coming through for the meetings to begin, maybe.

(Not too sure what time it is there, actually.)

I will remember your point about the time of arrival. That is really interesting. I don't believe I've ever heard of this, before, as an time of arrival for a head of state. It's GOT to mean something, and I think you nailed it. Cool.

We know that the media will play this up as a real triumph, as right-wing owned publications always do, but I hope it will leave Macri with a bitter taste in his mouth, and a deep, burning insult!

Finally, appreciate your list of Presidents' visits. I DO remember G.W. Bush, now, and his less than perfect visit to Argentina, when so many protestors filled the streets with their "Fuera Bush" signs, some of the signs having the Nazi sign replacing the "S" in Bush. Great!

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Ah, ha ha.







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Just saw the police are putting up barracades to prevent people and cars from running into the road where the officials will be driving. Looks as if the road is barricaded all the way to Casa Rosada.

Now they are bringing out a LOT of cops and parking big white vans across roads, and there are tons of motorcycle cops.
This is very interesting. Apparently the Obamas will be coming by soon.

Thank you for posting this great news channel.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
4. And what a day it was: 'ˇALCA, al carajo!" ('to hell with ALCA').
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:21 AM
Mar 2016

That was in Mar del Plata, on November 4, 2005.



Jumping back to today's visit, Obama and Macri are having a closed-door meeting as we speak (noon Buenos Aires time - just add an hour to Eastern time).

I'm fairly certain Obama is asking Macri to stop being Netanyahoo's errand boy, and above all to stop trying to sabotage his policy of U.S.-Iran rapprochement by using the 1994 AMiA bombing as a public opinion cudgel against Iran (the only forensic tests performed at time, after all, determined it to be an inside job).

It's interesting to note that Macri's attempts to sabotage U.S.-Iran talks has now become the most significant dispute between Argentina and the U.S. - a dispute entirely of Macri's making, since Cristina Kirchner was very much on board with Obama's détente with Iran.

Ironic, isn't it. The "pro-American" Macri is turning out be much more of a problem for U.S. geopolitics than the supposedly "anti-American" Mrs. Kirchner. Qué será.

In the meantime here's a view of the intersection you mentioned, Judi. It would be in front of the Bosch Palace, the official residence of the U.S. Ambassador to Argentina. Built for the Bosch family in 1917, it was sold to the State Department in 1929. Enjoy!

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