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Related: About this forumThe Carter Center praises Venezuela's election system
More news you won't hear anything about EVER in the Corporate Press:
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Carter Center: Venezuelan elections historically fair
Jennifer McCoy of the Atlanta-based Carter Center said in an interview with Infobae Latinoamerica that her organizations observer missions to Venezuela have found the countrys electoral system safe and trustworthy.
There is a system of pre-electoral auditing to audit the software, hardware, and voting machines where political parties are able to say whether those audits are alright and are working correctly, McCoy said.
She also stressed the role of post-electoral audits in Venezuela, which are done to see if the official electronic results coincide with the vote counting. They have done the counting and they have never had any significant discrepancy between the paper receipts and the electronic votes.
McCoy, who is the head of the Carter Centers Americas Program, said that her organization will be present during Venezuelas presidential elections this October 7 as an informal observer.
We decided we want to have a more informal role in observing the political developments so we can carry out interviews with political actors and national observers to see how they view the electoral process in Venezuela, she explained.
The journalist who interviewed McCoy suggested results might be very close, leaving room for contention, to which she argued that in her experience Venezuelas electoral system is safe.
McCoy rejected the possibility of fraud, saying that the electoral process has many guarantees. She indicated that the system is trustworthy all the way from the registration of candidates to the voting itself.
http://www.correodelorinoco.gob.ve/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/COI124.pdf
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McCoy mentions the audit (automatic post-election comparison of electronic results with the printed ballot receipt). Venezuela does a whopping 55% audit--more than five times the number needed to detect fraud in an electronic system.
By comparison, in the U.S., half the states do NO AUDIT AT ALL, and the other half do a miserably inadequate 1% audit.
But that ain't all. McCoy mentions the pre-election audits of the software, where everybody gets to see how the votes are being counted. The code is OPEN SOURCE.
In the U.S., all states use 'TRADE SECRET' code--code that the public if forbidden to review. Furthermore, that code is largely owned and controlled by one, private, far-rightwing-connected corporation, ES&S which bought out Diebold and now has about a 70% monopoly over U.S. voting systems.
You won't hear about the honesty and transparency of Venezuela's election system in the Corporate News because they don't want you to know that Venezuelans honestly and openly CHOOSE Chavez as their president, by big margins.
And you won't hear about the absurd NON-TRANSPARENCY, privatization and rigability of our system--recently spread like a plague throughout our country (2002 to 2004)--because it has been used, is being used and will continue to be used to make the rich richer, destroy the last vestiges of the "New Deal" and cement the dominion of transglobal corporations, banksters and war profiteers here and abroad, using our young people as cannon fodder for their resource wars, enslaving and impoverishing our work force and abandoning the elderly, the sick, the poor and the young.
These malefactors, who are running things here, hate Chavez because his government is doing the opposite--it is implementing the will of the people for social justice--and so their news propagandists--the Associated Pukes, the New York Slimes, the Wall Street Urinal, Rotters and all the rest--will NEVER inform you about Venezuela's election system and instead try to give the impression that Chavez elects himself!
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)flamingdem
(39,303 posts)Carter needs some fair media coverage
Judi Lynn
(160,211 posts)joshcryer
(62,265 posts)http://www.salon.com/2012/08/21/carter_center_says_it_wont_witness_venezuela_vote/
Meanwhile, the opposition promises to have a monitor in every polling station and it is posted on this forum here by propagandists that the opposition "appears to be" preparing to call fraud.
So let's get it straight. When the opposition wants to make sure that the elections are clean they are preparing to call fraud. When the Carter Center reports that the elections are clean (in no small part the participation rates they expect from monitors) it's all hidden.
Propaganda. That's how it works. You take reality and you propose the opposite.
naaman fletcher
(7,362 posts)Point 1: It is the opinion of the EU EOM that the so called audit activities could be better described as
system reviews or in other cases
as information distribution modules, but not as audits. Proper
auditing would have required a significant amount of additional time for testing and analysing
information.
Point 2: While the source codes are owned by the CNE they are for commercial reasons not made
available for public scrutiny and no independent
third party audits have been conducted on any
part of the electronic voting system.
It would appear that you have been peddling garbage about this "open source" software for quite some time.
http://eeas.europa.eu/eueom/pdf/missions/finalreportenversion.pdf
Bacchus4.0
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naaman fletcher
(7,362 posts)naaman fletcher
(7,362 posts)7 years of listening to this over and over and it turns out to be false
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=420889&mesg_id=420904
Many thanks to reorg for providing the link to the truth.
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Judi Lynn
(160,211 posts)It's a cheap shot trying to bait posters who know what you wrote to react in order to get them deleted. Very small, dishonest, and nasty.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)the literal translation is indeed ¨shit eater¨ but that is not the context of how the expression is used. Its more like bullshitter. so, in English I´ll say it. chavistas are bullshitters. Thats fairly obvious to the informed.
Marksman_91
(2,035 posts)Pretty sure a lot of them voted for Capriles, so it'd be wrong to generalize . I think "maduristas" is the proper technical term now for people who support this government.
Zorro
(15,691 posts)Bacchus4.0
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naaman fletcher
(7,362 posts)the CIA hacked the code where "where everybody gets to see how the votes are being counted. The code is OPEN SOURCE"
and some how made it so that not everyone can see how the votes were counted
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1108&pid=18516
Socialistlemur
(770 posts)The item is old and therefore it can be considered Venezuelan government propaganda. I would check the Carter Center comments directly. What I found when there's a propaganda struggle is that governments will put out propaganda that's really deceitful. I've found the Correo to be quite unreliable.
Judi Lynn
(160,211 posts)to try to repudiate the original poster, all these months later.
Classless.
naaman fletcher
(7,362 posts)For years we have heard how great the Venezuelan election system is. In fact, even recently the CEPR has pointed out how great it is. Now, suddenly, it turns out the system is not that great and the CIA hacked it.
Given how the CEPR decribes how it works though I don't see how that's possible.
What do you think? Does Venezuela have the best election system in the world or did the CIA hack it?