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Related: About this forumThe "uncertainty loop" haunting our climate models
https://www.vox.com/2015/10/23/9604120/climate-models-uncertaintyUpdated by David Roberts on October 23, 2015, 2:20 p.m. ET
[font size=3]In the early years of the battle over climate science, advocates and scientists went out of their way to stress how much was understood and relatively certain in the study of climate. This "science is settled" approach was a predictable response to the well-funded campaign of obscurantism launched by fossil fuel interests and their friends on the right, which cynically used uncertainty as an argument for delaying action.
Now that climate hawks are emerging a bit from their defensive crouch, however, more attention is turning to the many uncertainties that haunt climate. Consider these layers:
Grappling with this kind of uncertainty turns out to be absolutely core to climate policymaking. Climate nerds have attempted to create models that include, at least in rudimentary form, all of these interacting economic and atmospheric systems. They call these integrated assessment models, or IAMs, and they are the primary tool used by governments and international bodies to gauge the threat of climate change. IAMs are how policies are compared and costs are estimated.
So it's worth asking: Do IAMs adequately account for uncertainty? Do they clearly communicate uncertainty to policymakers?
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phantom power
(25,966 posts)I, for one, don't get the impression that humanity's problem is an over-developed sense of "certainty" about climate change, or whether it's happening, or what to do about it. Nobody is doing shit about it, but absolutely everybody is dithering and arguing and debating.
OKIsItJustMe
(19,938 posts)On the other hand, we do have to acknowledge that there are uncertainties.
The article deals with an analysis of using an ensemble of models to reduce uncertainty.
The authors conclude that "relying upon ensembles as a technique for determining the uncertainty of future outcomes is (at least for the major climate change variables) highly deficient. Ensemble uncertainty tends to underestimate overall uncertainty by a significant amount." (my emphasis)
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)is far, FAR less important than actually DOING something...other than talking.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)(*) Pedantically, "talk" isn't really cheap for anyone: it is a tidy little
profit earner for the politicians & associated lobbyists, an expensive
waste of time & money for the taxpayers and a death sentence for
the multitudes of creatures (human and otherwise) who are directly
dying whilst this "talk" is wasting everyone's time.
bananas
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The article mentions the problem of fat tails in climate probability, but fails to mention fat tails in the proposed solutions.
According to Nassim Taleb, genetic engineering crops for heat and drought and biofuel could result in global ecocide:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101689073
Fukushima showed us how badly the nuclear industry underestimated its own risks.
The IEEE has been warning that a solar tsunami could result in hundreds of simultaneous Fukushimas:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1127&pid=32097