Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumMost religious Zionists want Arabs out of Israel, study finds
http://www.timesofisrael.com/most-religious-zionists-want-arabs-out-of-israel-study-finds/The religious Zionist sector takes very extreme and unequivocal positions in terms of Israeli Arabs loyalty to the state, their posing an immediate and long-term security danger, and the need, therefore, for declarations of loyalty and a prepared plan for [population] transfer, the polls analysis section read.
The pollsters surveyed 480 religious Zionists defined by Jewish observance level and self-identification. The margin of error was 4.5 percent. Heres a closer look at some of the major findings.
Bibi complains about the Mufti while forming a coalition with his ideological heirs.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Mosby
(16,168 posts)Who are these 480 people polled?
That's a really small sample of self described people.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)mentor.
This is not a surprising result for those who have been paying attention.
Mosby
(16,168 posts)Is that the sample?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)They said it was based on self-identification.
The radicalism and toxic racism of the religious Zionist movement isn't really disputed by anyone who doesn't share their outlook.
Eli Ben-Dahan, Baruch Goldstein, Dov Lior, Baruch Marzel, Meir Kahane, Uri Ariel--solid group of world citizens there.
shira
(30,109 posts)I have yet to meet an Israel hating, hostile critic of the Jewish state who is appalled by Hamas' genocidal aspirations, or the Mufti's ties to Nazis, or Palestinians handing out candy after terror attacks, or brainwashed children in Gaza calling Jews pigs and apes who deserve to be murdered. These anti-Zionists are more concerned right now about terrorists who try to murder innocent Jews than they are the victims of those knife attacks.
Point me to just one hostile, anti-Zionist critic of Israel who cannot be described as such.
I'd love to be proven wrong.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Name a few.
Or punt, as you always do....
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)your hyperbole is of comical proportions tonight.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)The majority of the Jewish public, 59 percent, wants preference for Jews over Arabs in admission to jobs in government ministries. Almost half the Jews, 49 percent, want the state to treat Jewish citizens better than Arab ones; 42 percent don't want to live in the same building with Arabs and 42 percent don't want their children in the same class with Arab children.
Almost half - 47 percent - want part of Israel's Arab population to be transferred to the Palestinian Authority and 36 percent support transferring some of the Arab towns from Israel to the PA, in exchange for keeping some of the West Bank settlements.
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/survey-most-israeli-jews-wouldn-t-give-palestinians-vote-if-west-bank-was-annexed.premium-1.471644
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)when the Israeli public sentiment is the worst form advertising for a movement gone bad.
When zionism = bigotry it is no dfferent than a bigot wrapping themselves in the American flag while endorsing segregation.
shira
(30,109 posts)Apparently no Jews belong there, right?
Quite ironic how those whining about one side wanting the other out....turn out being the same in reverse.
Israeli
(4,132 posts)...do you consider Peace Now to be " Anti-Zionists " too ??
Must read : http://www.peacenow.report/shiloh-and-duma/
The broad daylight thievery and violence in the Shiloh Valley
during the Netanyahu governments
2009-2015
The wild outposts must be evacuated. Government support must stop. NOW.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)yet the suggestion that Palestinians have reciprocal right where Israel is concerned is met with utter hysteria if not outright name calling
shira
(30,109 posts)....are no better than the nuts who call for all Arabs out of Israel.
How are the assholes calling for all Jews out of part of their historic homeland any better than those who hate Palestinians & support ethnically cleansing them from Israel?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Israel. They are not part of the Palestinian nation, but they are there illegaly and by force.
If you ever brought your argument to trial, my dubious friend, you would be laughed out of court.
And once again you are the one arguing for the illegal colonization with your whining about " historic homeland."
Israelis has a homeland, and it's called Israel. The only ones that want to call Palestine "Israel" are the ones who have subverted zionism into something evil and grotesque, IMHO.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)regatdless of their ethnic background.
Please proceed with you defence of illegal colonization, governor.
shira
(30,109 posts)Why should Jews be denied citizenship anywhere in the world?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Why should Israel illegally colonize what does not belong to it: while ethnically cleansing an indigenous population?
You are the best argument against right wing zionism on DU, my dubious one.
shira
(30,109 posts)....by some Israelis calling for all Arabs out of Israel, while defending the ethnic cleansing of every Israeli (just a coincidence they're all Jews) out of their historical homeland.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)What you have just proven is that illegal colonial expansionism is justified somewhere in the cobwebbed recesses of your inner deluded mind...IMHO.
If I am offended by anything it is by reading the ham-handed retorts that ignorance, bigotry and genocidal indifference have penned in the name of right wing Israeli zionism.
There is a warm place in hell for those poor, decrepit, self-righteous souls who cheer for the distruction/dissolution of a people: whether they be Jews, Palestinians or others.
shira
(30,109 posts)They have a right to live there.
Actually Jews have a right to live anywhere on earth if they wish. Their ties to Jerusalem and Hebron are just stronger than other places on the planet.
Repeat after me...
"Jews have a right to live in any city, town, state, or country on the planet".
Can you do it?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I'm calling illegal Israeli colonists, there with the help of the IDF gunners, "illegal colonists."
Not when the are ethnically cleansing a present indigenous population: See Palestinian People.
I'm sure that this corrupt philosophy works in some circles, but not within the confines of international law or with people that have a conscience.
Not at the expense of creating another genocide, shira.
Shame on you.
But I love it when you argue for illegal colonization, shira. It really brings out the Binyamin Netanyahu in your writing.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)We're talking about Jews having a right to live in parts of Jerusalem, Hebron, Judea....
There's no reason they cannot be absorbed into a future Palestinian state, as Palestinian citizens. They should have that choice, but you will have none of that. You want them all out, as though Jews shouldn't be permitted to live in Jerusalem or Hebron.
Also, there's no ethnic cleansing going on by Israel. No one sane in Israel calls for Arabs to be ethnically cleansed from anywhere. However, you are calling for the ethnic cleansing of Jews from their historic homeland.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Well if that is you response then the Palestinians of the Nakba, and their progeny, should have the same right of ROR in Israel: reabsorbed back in as future citizens of a democratic state of Israel.
Fair is fair. Right?
Nice wordplay there, but there are people that appear sane that are calling for what you say they aren't. Some have served in the Israeli government. No?
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:55 PM - Edit history (1)
Fair is fair. Right?
You're comparing apples to oranges. There are already 2 million Palestinians living WITHIN Israel. Why are you so offended by Jews wanting to live in a future Palestinian state?
Trying again to falsely portray Israel by quoting the few lunatics who are opposed by nearly all Israelis.
Same shit, different day.
Try again.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Let's destroy your little world tonight.
You:
There's no reason they cannot be absorbed into a future Palestinian state, as Palestinian citizens. They should have that choice, but you will have none of that. You want them all out, as though Jews shouldn't be permitted to live in Jerusalem or Hebron.
Reality:
There's no reason they cannot be absorbed into a future Israeli state, as Israeli citizens. They should have that choice, but you will have none of that. You want them all out, as though Palestinians shouldn't be permitted to live in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv.
You're words are hipocritical, shira. That's why you choked for so long.
If YOU are going to argue for illegal colonists in the West Bank, with the poor me excuses, reality will be knocking on your door asking for the same rights for the Palestinians.
If one asks for ROR for one group then they cannot refuse the other...unless that is they wish to argue a position from complete and utter hypocrisy!
YOU LOSE!
shira
(30,109 posts)There are already 2 million Palestinians in Israel. If I were to use your argument against you, I'd be calling for no Palestinians in Israel since no Jews are allowed in Palestine.
Fair is fair, right?
Like I wrote, your posts are a waste of time...
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Your argument, poor victim gibberish included, doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Your counterfeit rubbish is just that.
If I wasn't laughing so hard I might be embarrassed for you.
shira
(30,109 posts)You see, what's fair in response to YOUR claim is to have 0 Palestinians within a Jewish state, just as you prefer there be 0 Jews (colonistas) within a Palestinian state.
Fair is fair...
Israel has 2 million Palestinians, but for some reason unless Palestinians outnumber Jews while Jews are a small minority within a future Palestine......that's fair to you.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)One one hand you are arguing for illegal colonization, and on the other hand you are arguing against ROR for the Palestinians.
Bigotry. Pure and simple.
The best part is that you don't even deny it any longer.
I've bookmarked all of these poor victim "why can't we just steal more" threads.
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Illegal colonists really shouldn't be colonizing other people's lands, shira: regardless if their 10th great granddaddy may have lived there once.
shira
(30,109 posts)You shouldn't deny Jews are indigenous to Judea, Jerusalem, Hebron. Indigenous people cannot colonize their own land.
And 1948 doesn't go back to 10th great granddaddies.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)regardless if their 10th great granddaddy may have lived there once...or how hard they pretend to be the victim.
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)ROR of the forever victims, while denying ROR to Palestinians (the victims of the Israelis) pushed out of Modern day Israel
Let's see that spin in action.
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I know. You can't refute that.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)is the best way for them to see how horrible it really is.
You are your own worst enemy.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)You don't seem to be able to work up an answer here though.
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)as usual.
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)You already proved it when you tried to justify illegal colonization of Palestinian land, by Israelis outside of Israel, while not giving the Palestinians ROR.
Face meet ground. People aren't blind, shira. They can read your posts. This isn't the third grade debating forum
You failed miserably with that hypocritical stance.