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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:07 PM Oct 2015

Most religious Zionists want Arabs out of Israel, study finds

http://www.timesofisrael.com/most-religious-zionists-want-arabs-out-of-israel-study-finds/

A new poll by the Miskar agency, which surveys Israel’s religious Zionist population, found high levels of antagonism and mistrust toward Arab-Israelis. Contrary to polls of Arab-Israelis themselves, most religious Zionists believe that Arab-Israelis are hostile to Israel. A large majority see Arab-Israelis as a threat and would like to see the government push them to leave the country.

“The religious Zionist sector takes very extreme and unequivocal positions in terms of Israeli Arabs’ loyalty to the state, their posing an immediate and long-term security danger, and the need, therefore, for declarations of loyalty and a prepared plan for [population] transfer,” the poll’s analysis section read.

The pollsters surveyed 480 religious Zionists — defined by Jewish observance level and self-identification. The margin of error was 4.5 percent. Here’s a closer look at some of the major findings.

Bibi complains about the Mufti while forming a coalition with his ideological heirs.
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Most religious Zionists want Arabs out of Israel, study finds (Original Post) geek tragedy Oct 2015 OP
Your comparison works even better when you know who appointed Husseini, and why Scootaloo Oct 2015 #1
religious zionist? Mosby Oct 2015 #2
The religious Zionist parties are Kahanist and include Yigal Amir's spiritual geek tragedy Oct 2015 #3
Did they poll mizrahi jews? Mosby Oct 2015 #4
You'd have to ask the study authors. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #5
The anti-Zionists are even worse, supporting Hamas attacks on children & elderly. shira Oct 2015 #7
You should get out more then. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #28
So prove me wrong. Where are these folks no one has ever met before? shira Oct 2015 #30
I don't need to prove sh!t. Your arguments are a shameful comedy. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #32
Thanks for proving the point. n/t shira Oct 2015 #39
I did prove the point of your shameful comedy. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #44
You responded with insults. That's basically all you've got. n/t shira Oct 2015 #48
I'm not sure that you would really understand a cogent argument, and R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #53
Not much different from a poll taken 3 years ago azurnoir Oct 2015 #6
And yet some just want to blather on about anti-zionism R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #8
Anti-Zionists and those who hate settlers want them all out of the W.Bank.... shira Oct 2015 #9
Just wondering shira ..... Israeli Oct 2015 #10
what I find curious is the insistence of some that Jews have the right to return to the West Bank azurnoir Oct 2015 #11
Okay, correction - let's just say those who want all Jews out of the W.Bank... shira Oct 2015 #13
"Arabs" as you call them are citizens of Israel. Illegal colonists in the West Bank are citizens of R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #19
No illegal colonizers belong there, shira... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #12
Do Jews belong in Judea, Hebron...? shira Oct 2015 #14
I doubt many DUers will see your fake tears as genuine. Most will see crass expansionism. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #15
So that's a no. You've proven the point. You appear offended.... shira Oct 2015 #16
I know that understanding is a lofty place for some: completely out of reach by the mundane. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #17
You keep calling Jews colonists. But that's their indigenous, historic homeland... shira Oct 2015 #21
"You keep calling Jews colonists. But that's their indigenous, historic homeland..." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #24
I asked a clear question. I know you will never answer it. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #18
I answer questions, unlike yourself... shira Oct 2015 #20
"There's no reason they cannot be absorbed into a future Palestinian state, as Palestinian citizens. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #22
You post nonsense that's a waste of time... shira Oct 2015 #27
You just choked!!!! R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #31
Your comparison doesn't work... shira Oct 2015 #34
Choke! R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #35
The maniacal laughter doesn't help your silly argument. n/t shira Oct 2015 #36
Your position is hypocritical. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #40
It'd be nice if you could justify your position... shira Oct 2015 #41
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #45
Point proven. And with maniacal laughter to boot. n/t shira Oct 2015 #49
Yes, my point was proven! R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #54
"You want them all out, as though Jews shouldn't be permitted to live in Jerusalem or Hebron." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #23
Another crap post, undeserving of a reply... shira Oct 2015 #29
Illegal colonists really shouldn't be colonizing other people's lands, shira: R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #33
Repeating silly arguments doesn't make them anymore rational. n/t shira Oct 2015 #37
Tell us all again how illegal Israeli colonists have a right to take Palestinian land: a perverse R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #42
I've already answered that crap. n/t shira Oct 2015 #46
Choke! If you believe that you represent zionism then I pity what zionism has come to represent. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #50
Yawn. n/t shira Oct 2015 #51
LOL. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #55
And as usual, thanks for the kick. The more DUers that get to read your dubious brand of zionism R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #56
Duck-n-cover, shira? R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #25
"20. I answer questions, unlike yourself... " R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #26
Yeah, I answered your nonsense directly. n/t shira Oct 2015 #38
You answered by falling on your face... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #43
Really? So prove it, with reasoning and logic - rather than insults. n/t shira Oct 2015 #47
AHAHAHAHAH! R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #52

Mosby

(16,168 posts)
2. religious zionist?
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:25 PM
Oct 2015

Who are these 480 people polled?

That's a really small sample of self described people.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. The religious Zionist parties are Kahanist and include Yigal Amir's spiritual
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 10:52 PM
Oct 2015

mentor.

This is not a surprising result for those who have been paying attention.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
5. You'd have to ask the study authors.
Thu Oct 22, 2015, 11:19 PM
Oct 2015

They said it was based on self-identification.

The radicalism and toxic racism of the religious Zionist movement isn't really disputed by anyone who doesn't share their outlook.

Eli Ben-Dahan, Baruch Goldstein, Dov Lior, Baruch Marzel, Meir Kahane, Uri Ariel--solid group of world citizens there.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
7. The anti-Zionists are even worse, supporting Hamas attacks on children & elderly.
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 07:04 AM
Oct 2015

I have yet to meet an Israel hating, hostile critic of the Jewish state who is appalled by Hamas' genocidal aspirations, or the Mufti's ties to Nazis, or Palestinians handing out candy after terror attacks, or brainwashed children in Gaza calling Jews pigs and apes who deserve to be murdered. These anti-Zionists are more concerned right now about terrorists who try to murder innocent Jews than they are the victims of those knife attacks.

Point me to just one hostile, anti-Zionist critic of Israel who cannot be described as such.

I'd love to be proven wrong.



 

shira

(30,109 posts)
30. So prove me wrong. Where are these folks no one has ever met before?
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:17 PM
Oct 2015

Name a few.

Or punt, as you always do....

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
53. I'm not sure that you would really understand a cogent argument, and
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:11 PM
Oct 2015

your hyperbole is of comical proportions tonight.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
6. Not much different from a poll taken 3 years ago
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 03:18 AM
Oct 2015

The majority of the Jewish public, 59 percent, wants preference for Jews over Arabs in admission to jobs in government ministries. Almost half the Jews, 49 percent, want the state to treat Jewish citizens better than Arab ones; 42 percent don't want to live in the same building with Arabs and 42 percent don't want their children in the same class with Arab children.


Almost half - 47 percent - want part of Israel's Arab population to be transferred to the Palestinian Authority and 36 percent support transferring some of the Arab towns from Israel to the PA, in exchange for keeping some of the West Bank settlements.


read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/survey-most-israeli-jews-wouldn-t-give-palestinians-vote-if-west-bank-was-annexed.premium-1.471644

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
8. And yet some just want to blather on about anti-zionism
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:50 PM
Oct 2015

when the Israeli public sentiment is the worst form advertising for a movement gone bad.

When zionism = bigotry it is no dfferent than a bigot wrapping themselves in the American flag while endorsing segregation.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
9. Anti-Zionists and those who hate settlers want them all out of the W.Bank....
Fri Oct 23, 2015, 06:22 PM
Oct 2015

Apparently no Jews belong there, right?

Quite ironic how those whining about one side wanting the other out....turn out being the same in reverse.

Israeli

(4,132 posts)
10. Just wondering shira .....
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 04:08 AM
Oct 2015

...do you consider Peace Now to be " Anti-Zionists " too ??

Must read : http://www.peacenow.report/shiloh-and-duma/

The broad daylight thievery and violence in the Shiloh Valley
during the Netanyahu governments

2009-2015


To stop this, the wild outposts must be evacuated. NOW.

The wild outposts must be evacuated. Government support must stop. NOW.



azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
11. what I find curious is the insistence of some that Jews have the right to return to the West Bank
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 06:02 AM
Oct 2015

yet the suggestion that Palestinians have reciprocal right where Israel is concerned is met with utter hysteria if not outright name calling

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
13. Okay, correction - let's just say those who want all Jews out of the W.Bank...
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 08:52 AM
Oct 2015

....are no better than the nuts who call for all Arabs out of Israel.

How are the assholes calling for all Jews out of part of their historic homeland any better than those who hate Palestinians & support ethnically cleansing them from Israel?

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
19. "Arabs" as you call them are citizens of Israel. Illegal colonists in the West Bank are citizens of
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 10:31 AM
Oct 2015

Israel. They are not part of the Palestinian nation, but they are there illegaly and by force.

If you ever brought your argument to trial, my dubious friend, you would be laughed out of court.


And once again you are the one arguing for the illegal colonization with your whining about " historic homeland."

Israelis has a homeland, and it's called Israel. The only ones that want to call Palestine "Israel" are the ones who have subverted zionism into something evil and grotesque, IMHO.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
12. No illegal colonizers belong there, shira...
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 07:13 AM
Oct 2015

regatdless of their ethnic background.

Please proceed with you defence of illegal colonization, governor.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
15. I doubt many DUers will see your fake tears as genuine. Most will see crass expansionism.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 09:40 AM
Oct 2015

Why should Israel illegally colonize what does not belong to it: while ethnically cleansing an indigenous population?

You are the best argument against right wing zionism on DU, my dubious one.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
16. So that's a no. You've proven the point. You appear offended....
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 09:52 AM
Oct 2015

....by some Israelis calling for all Arabs out of Israel, while defending the ethnic cleansing of every Israeli (just a coincidence they're all Jews) out of their historical homeland.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
17. I know that understanding is a lofty place for some: completely out of reach by the mundane.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 10:04 AM
Oct 2015

What you have just proven is that illegal colonial expansionism is justified somewhere in the cobwebbed recesses of your inner deluded mind...IMHO.

If I am offended by anything it is by reading the ham-handed retorts that ignorance, bigotry and genocidal indifference have penned in the name of right wing Israeli zionism.

There is a warm place in hell for those poor, decrepit, self-righteous souls who cheer for the distruction/dissolution of a people: whether they be Jews, Palestinians or others.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
21. You keep calling Jews colonists. But that's their indigenous, historic homeland...
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 10:56 AM
Oct 2015

They have a right to live there.

Actually Jews have a right to live anywhere on earth if they wish. Their ties to Jerusalem and Hebron are just stronger than other places on the planet.

Repeat after me...

"Jews have a right to live in any city, town, state, or country on the planet".

Can you do it?

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
24. "You keep calling Jews colonists. But that's their indigenous, historic homeland..."
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 11:10 AM
Oct 2015

I'm calling illegal Israeli colonists, there with the help of the IDF gunners, "illegal colonists."

Actually Jews have a right to live anywhere on earth if they wish.


Not when the are ethnically cleansing a present indigenous population: See Palestinian People.

Their ties to Jerusalem and Hebron are just stronger than other places on the planet.


I'm sure that this corrupt philosophy works in some circles, but not within the confines of international law or with people that have a conscience.

"Jews have a right to live in any city, town, state, or country on the planet".


Not at the expense of creating another genocide, shira.

Shame on you.

But I love it when you argue for illegal colonization, shira. It really brings out the Binyamin Netanyahu in your writing.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
18. I asked a clear question. I know you will never answer it.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 10:20 AM
Oct 2015

Why should Israel illegally colonize what does not belong to it: while ethnically cleansing an indigenous population?
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
20. I answer questions, unlike yourself...
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 10:49 AM
Oct 2015
Why should Israel illegally colonize what does not belong to it: while ethnically cleansing an indigenous population?


We're talking about Jews having a right to live in parts of Jerusalem, Hebron, Judea....

There's no reason they cannot be absorbed into a future Palestinian state, as Palestinian citizens. They should have that choice, but you will have none of that. You want them all out, as though Jews shouldn't be permitted to live in Jerusalem or Hebron.

Also, there's no ethnic cleansing going on by Israel. No one sane in Israel calls for Arabs to be ethnically cleansed from anywhere. However, you are calling for the ethnic cleansing of Jews from their historic homeland.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
22. "There's no reason they cannot be absorbed into a future Palestinian state, as Palestinian citizens.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 10:56 AM
Oct 2015

Well if that is you response then the Palestinians of the Nakba, and their progeny, should have the same right of ROR in Israel: reabsorbed back in as future citizens of a democratic state of Israel.

Fair is fair. Right?

Also, there's no ethnic cleansing going on by Israel. No one sane in Israel calls for Arabs to be ethnically cleansed from anywhere. However, you are calling for the ethnic cleansing of Jews from their historic homeland.


Nice wordplay there, but there are people that appear sane that are calling for what you say they aren't. Some have served in the Israeli government. No?
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
27. You post nonsense that's a waste of time...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:08 PM
Oct 2015

Last edited Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:55 PM - Edit history (1)

Well if that is you response then the Palestinians of the Nakba, and their progeny, should have the same right of ROR in Israel: reabsorbed back in as future citizens of a democratic state of Israel.

Fair is fair. Right?


You're comparing apples to oranges. There are already 2 million Palestinians living WITHIN Israel. Why are you so offended by Jews wanting to live in a future Palestinian state?


Nice wordplay there, but there are people that appear sane that are calling for what you say they aren't. Some have served in the Israeli government. No?


Trying again to falsely portray Israel by quoting the few lunatics who are opposed by nearly all Israelis.

Same shit, different day.

Try again.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
31. You just choked!!!!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:23 PM
Oct 2015

Let's destroy your little world tonight.


You:
We're talking about Jews having a right to live in parts of Jerusalem, Hebron, Judea....

There's no reason they cannot be absorbed into a future Palestinian state, as Palestinian citizens. They should have that choice, but you will have none of that. You want them all out, as though Jews shouldn't be permitted to live in Jerusalem or Hebron.


Reality:
We're talking about Palestinians having a right to live in parts of Israel, Jerusalem, Tel Aviv....

There's no reason they cannot be absorbed into a future Israeli state, as Israeli citizens. They should have that choice, but you will have none of that. You want them all out, as though Palestinians shouldn't be permitted to live in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv.


You're words are hipocritical, shira. That's why you choked for so long.

If YOU are going to argue for illegal colonists in the West Bank, with the poor me excuses, reality will be knocking on your door asking for the same rights for the Palestinians.

If one asks for ROR for one group then they cannot refuse the other...unless that is they wish to argue a position from complete and utter hypocrisy!

YOU LOSE!
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
34. Your comparison doesn't work...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:28 PM
Oct 2015

There are already 2 million Palestinians in Israel. If I were to use your argument against you, I'd be calling for no Palestinians in Israel since no Jews are allowed in Palestine.

Fair is fair, right?

Like I wrote, your posts are a waste of time...

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
40. Your position is hypocritical.
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:35 PM
Oct 2015

Your argument, poor victim gibberish included, doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Your counterfeit rubbish is just that.

If I wasn't laughing so hard I might be embarrassed for you.
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
41. It'd be nice if you could justify your position...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:38 PM
Oct 2015

You see, what's fair in response to YOUR claim is to have 0 Palestinians within a Jewish state, just as you prefer there be 0 Jews (colonistas) within a Palestinian state.

Fair is fair...

Israel has 2 million Palestinians, but for some reason unless Palestinians outnumber Jews while Jews are a small minority within a future Palestine......that's fair to you.




 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
45. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:45 PM
Oct 2015

One one hand you are arguing for illegal colonization, and on the other hand you are arguing against ROR for the Palestinians.

Bigotry. Pure and simple.

The best part is that you don't even deny it any longer.



I've bookmarked all of these poor victim "why can't we just steal more" threads.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
23. "You want them all out, as though Jews shouldn't be permitted to live in Jerusalem or Hebron."
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 11:04 AM
Oct 2015

Illegal colonists really shouldn't be colonizing other people's lands, shira: regardless if their 10th great granddaddy may have lived there once.
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
29. Another crap post, undeserving of a reply...
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:10 PM
Oct 2015
Illegal colonists really shouldn't be colonizing other people's lands, shira: regardless if their 10th great granddaddy may have lived there once.


You shouldn't deny Jews are indigenous to Judea, Jerusalem, Hebron. Indigenous people cannot colonize their own land.

And 1948 doesn't go back to 10th great granddaddies.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
33. Illegal colonists really shouldn't be colonizing other people's lands, shira:
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:26 PM
Oct 2015

regardless if their 10th great granddaddy may have lived there once...or how hard they pretend to be the victim.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
42. Tell us all again how illegal Israeli colonists have a right to take Palestinian land: a perverse
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:38 PM
Oct 2015

ROR of the forever victims, while denying ROR to Palestinians (the victims of the Israelis) pushed out of Modern day Israel

Let's see that spin in action.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
56. And as usual, thanks for the kick. The more DUers that get to read your dubious brand of zionism
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:16 PM
Oct 2015

is the best way for them to see how horrible it really is.

You are your own worst enemy.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
26. "20. I answer questions, unlike yourself... "
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 08:07 PM
Oct 2015

You don't seem to be able to work up an answer here though.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
52. AHAHAHAHAH!
Mon Oct 26, 2015, 09:08 PM
Oct 2015

You already proved it when you tried to justify illegal colonization of Palestinian land, by Israelis outside of Israel, while not giving the Palestinians ROR.

Face meet ground. People aren't blind, shira. They can read your posts. This isn't the third grade debating forum


You failed miserably with that hypocritical stance.

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