Israel/Palestine

oberliner

(58,724 posts) Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:06 AM Mar 2016

Bernie Sanders: Don't Count Out anti-Semitism as Factor in Israel Boycott Movement

It would be a mistake to count out anti-Semitism as a driver of the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement against Israel, Senator Bernie Sanders said Monday evening on MSNBC.

“I think there is some of that, absolutely,” the Vermont senator said after being asked if he would link BDS to anti-Semitism like his rival for the Democratic presidential nod, Hillary Clinton.

“Israel has done some very bad things, so has every other country on earth,” Sanders said. “I think the people who want to attack Israel for their policies, I think that is fair game. But not to appreciate that there is some level of anti-Semitism around the world involved in that I think would be a mistake.”

http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.710396

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Bernie Sanders: Don't Count Out anti-Semitism as Factor in Israel Boycott Movement (Original Post) oberliner Mar 2016 OP

Thanks, Senator Sanders. That is a comment with which I agree. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Mar 2016 #2

Bernie Sanders just confirmed the obvious King_David Mar 2016 #3

Vote for the only mensch running for president..Bernie Sanders. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #4

+1 King_David Mar 2016 #5

He is such a great man, I want him to win the primary and I believe he will then win the WH. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #6

good to see you ... Israeli Mar 2016 #9

Hi Israeli..we're trying, Bernie has come a long way..so we'll see. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #10

Bernie Sanders is against the settlements and the occupation - but at the same time against BDS? Little Tich Mar 2016 #7

Sanders realizes BDS is a hate movement against Israel, not settlements. shira Mar 2016 #8

Bernie is not going to support BDS, no US president will do that..not even as a Senator. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #11

Obama supports labelling settlement products imported to the US - a practice that is considered BDS Little Tich Mar 2016 #13

Yes but that is very different and BDS is not a monolithic block. Those who joined to boycott Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #14

Because he sees it for what it really is leftynyc Mar 2016 #12

Yep King_David Mar 2016 #21

Haaretz quite gratuitously misquotes Bernie in the first paragraph and title azurnoir Mar 2016 #15

There are no quotation marks in the first paragraph or the title oberliner Mar 2016 #16

Misleading headline - I should have known... n/t Little Tich Mar 2016 #17

Did you not read the actual article? oberliner Mar 2016 #18

Interestingly, the transcript conveys a slightly different different impression than the OP. Little Tich Mar 2016 #19

Trying desperately to spin this your way huh? King_David Mar 2016 #20

Straight people do not get to tell Gay people what is and what is not homophobic... King_David Mar 2016 #22

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)

1. Thanks, Senator Sanders. That is a comment with which I agree.

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:08 AM

Mar 2016

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King_David

(14,851 posts)

3. Bernie Sanders just confirmed the obvious

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:29 PM

Mar 2016

The BDS movement is a gang of thugs , antisemitic Jew hating , bigoted , hateful and often homophobic .

The Jewish candidate sees Antisemitism where it really is.

Fuck the antisemitic BDS movement and all their supporters.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

4. Vote for the only mensch running for president..Bernie Sanders. n/t

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:22 PM

Mar 2016

King_David

(14,851 posts)

5. +1

Reply to Jefferson23 (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:30 PM

Mar 2016

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

6. He is such a great man, I want him to win the primary and I believe he will then win the WH. n/t

Reply to King_David (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:34 PM

Mar 2016

Israeli

(4,139 posts)

9. good to see you ...

Reply to Jefferson23 (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:34 AM

Mar 2016

I hope so to Jefferson.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

10. Hi Israeli..we're trying, Bernie has come a long way..so we'll see.

Reply to Israeli (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:23 AM

Mar 2016

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)

7. Bernie Sanders is against the settlements and the occupation - but at the same time against BDS?

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:20 AM

Mar 2016

I don't get it...

shira

(30,109 posts)

8. Sanders realizes BDS is a hate movement against Israel, not settlements.

Reply to Little Tich (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:24 AM

Mar 2016

Last edited Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:01 AM - Edit history (1)

You don't get it because you don't want to get it.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

11. Bernie is not going to support BDS, no US president will do that..not even as a Senator.

Reply to Little Tich (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:31 AM

Mar 2016

As president why would he?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)

13. Obama supports labelling settlement products imported to the US - a practice that is considered BDS

Reply to Jefferson23 (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:08 AM

Mar 2016

when the EU is doing it.

While I personally don't think it qualifies as a boycott, it's at least an attempt to differentiate the settlements from Israel.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)

14. Yes but that is very different and BDS is not a monolithic block. Those who joined to boycott

Reply to Little Tich (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:25 AM

Mar 2016

Israel but did not align themselves with the movement made clear on paper what
they were boycotting. No Senator nor US president is going to do either one but
they would probably acknowledge those distinctions if asked, I think.

The Presbyterian Church was a very selective divestment and made clear
Israel's right to exist, which is not in line with BDS..although Israeli hardliners
prefer to group them together.

If Bernie were to win the presidency I would not expect him to support
any form of BDS, more likely he would speak candidly about
the settlements to Americans and how that impacts the lives
of Palestinians and Israel's security etc..including the Gaza blockade.

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)

12. Because he sees it for what it really is

Reply to Little Tich (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 09:59 AM

Mar 2016

A piece of crap that peddles in anti semitism, apologize for terrorists has never done one worthwhile thing since it's started.

King_David

(14,851 posts)

21. Yep

Reply to leftynyc (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:17 AM

Mar 2016

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)

15. Haaretz quite gratuitously misquotes Bernie in the first paragraph and title

Reply to oberliner (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 05:55 PM

Mar 2016

here from the transcript of Chris Hayes interview with Bernie Sanders

HAYES: Clinton also – and then I`m going to move to Cuba. But Clinton
also today talked about the boycott, divest, sanction movement, which is an
international movement. Some of the people who advocate those tactics
believe that Israel should be a binational state. They don`t believe in
Zionism. Some are Zionists, but they want to see Israel support a two-
state solution more strenuously, move away from the settlements. She
linked to it racism, to anti-Semitism basically. She said – she connected
BDS to anti-Semiticism. Do you think that`s a fair linkage?

SANDERS: I think there is some of that, absolutely. Look, Israel has done
some bad things. So has every other country on Earth. I think if people
want to attack Israel for their policies, I
think that is fair game but not to appreciate that there is some level of
anti-Semitism around the world involved in that I think would be a mistake.

http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/all-in/2016-03-21

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

16. There are no quotation marks in the first paragraph or the title

Reply to azurnoir (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 07:02 PM

Mar 2016

Thus, no misquoting.

The quotation marks are in the second paragraph and third paragraphs and are completely 100 percent accurate (as confirmed by your link).

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)

17. Misleading headline - I should have known... n/t

Reply to azurnoir (Reply #15)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:13 PM

Mar 2016

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

18. Did you not read the actual article?

Reply to Little Tich (Reply #17)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:31 PM

Mar 2016

It's best to do so rather than just reading a headline.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)

19. Interestingly, the transcript conveys a slightly different different impression than the OP.

Reply to oberliner (Reply #18)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:45 AM

Mar 2016

The headline and the summarized question in the OP implies a stronger link between BDS and anti-Semitism than what the transcript of the question and Bernie's answer does.

King_David

(14,851 posts)

20. Trying desperately to spin this your way huh?

Reply to azurnoir (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:15 AM

Mar 2016

FAIL !!!

Ha ha ha ha

I think we can trust a Jewish Candidate to tell what is and what is not antisemitic.,.

There's a good lesson here... Nobody is qualified to tell us Jews what is and what isn't Antisemitism.
WTF has the chutzpah to try if they aren't even part of this ?

King_David

(14,851 posts)

22. Straight people do not get to tell Gay people what is and what is not homophobic...

Reply to azurnoir (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:13 PM

Mar 2016

Same thing applies here : you do not get to tell Bernie Sanders , a Jew , what is and what is not antisemitic.

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