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shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 08:51 PM Mar 2013

Israel set for new election?

http://www.jewishnews.net.au/israel-set-for-new-election/29786

Israel is awash with speculation that new elections could be on the way, as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s deadline for building a coalition looms.

His official deadline falls this weekend, but with just one faction on board apart from his own – the six-seat Hatnuah Party – he is still short of the Knesset majority he needs. He has just 37 of the chamber’s 120 seats, meaning that he requires another 24. Yet a stalemate appears to have taken hold, as Netanyahu remains determined to secure a far larger majority.

“He is not interested in the coalition he could build easily, which is small enough that two of the parties would have a veto power and cause the collapse of the government on any issue,” Hebrew University political scientist Abraham Diskin told The AJN.

The kind of stable coalition that Netanyahu wants requires a combination of the Charedi and non-Charedi parties. But with Labour insisting it won’t join, Netanyahu has a problem.

The two remaining non-Charedi candidates say they will only enter as a pair, and only if the Charedi parties are excluded. Centrist Yesh Atid and religious-Zionist Jewish Home say they are determined to draft Charedim to the army, which they believe will be impossible with the community’s political representatives in the government.
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Israel set for new election? (Original Post) shaayecanaan Mar 2013 OP
Perhaps this would be a good time to launch a war? A false flag operation? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #1
They won't need the Arabs for this war... shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #5
Bennett wont join government without Lapid shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #2
Bibi seems between a rock and a hard place here azurnoir Mar 2013 #3
the Haredi can't get him there... shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #4
Gridlock comes to Israel. bemildred Mar 2013 #6
When is the last time sabbat hunter Mar 2013 #7
Now Bibi is calling Yair Lapid an anti-Semite (so rich it's fattening) azurnoir Mar 2013 #8
Only according to Larry Derfner oberliner Mar 2013 #10
well that is your opinion but what do you believe to be Derfner's purpose here? azurnoir Mar 2013 #11
Precarious system, wacky players. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #9
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
1. Perhaps this would be a good time to launch a war? A false flag operation?
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 10:04 PM
Mar 2013

It seems to work as a distraction in the USA, and shiny things distract from the problems at home.

I guess if they can't get it together then the POTUS will visit another country.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
5. They won't need the Arabs for this war...
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 11:48 PM
Mar 2013

if they try and remove the social entitlements for the haredi they will have a civil war of their very own.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
2. Bennett wont join government without Lapid
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 11:30 PM
Mar 2013
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/bennett-confirms-i-won-t-join-netanyahu-government-without-lapid-1.506768

"We agreed that Yesh Atid wouldn't enter the government without Habayit Hayehudi and that Habayit Hayehudi wouldn't enter without Yesh Atid," Bennett wrote on his Facebook page on Saturday. "When we reached these understandings, Yesh Atid was in a better position than us. We are out and they were in. Yair Lapid stood by his word to me and the public I represent. Now the tables are turned. Suddenly, Likud wants us without Yesh Atid. It's our turn to stand by our word. A word is a word. I will stand by it."


The Likud-Jewish Home talks included discussion of a proposal — put together by Eugene Kandel, the head of Israel’s National Economic Council — according to which the IDF would draft upwards of 60% of ultra-Orthodox Israelis aged 18-24 within five years, and the government would provide monetary incentives to those who comply while penalizing the yeshivas of those who don’t. The Yesh Atid and Jewish Home parties rejected the Kandel proposal when Netanyahu’s team pitched it in earlier coalition talks. Instead, both parties agreed to set the number of haredim who would be given draft exemptions at 2,000, according to a Channel 10 report.

According to a source within Shas, Friday’s meeting ended without progress and there are still significant gaps between the two sides regarding ultra-Orthodox service.

The Jewish Home party has made it clear that an alliance formed with Yair Lapid’s Yesh Atid party, according to which both parties would either join the government together or join the opposition, remains firm. Jewish Home representatives on Friday also said they backed Yesh Atid’s demand that ultra-Orthodox schools teach the full “core curriculum” of subjects, including English and Mathematics, as a condition for state funding.


http://www.timesofisrael.com/likud-proposes-joint-talks-with-yesh-atid-and-jewish-home/

Either Netanyahu agrees to take them both and leave the haredi outside, or calls another election, in which case Yesh Atid will probably do better than before.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
3. Bibi seems between a rock and a hard place here
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 11:36 PM
Mar 2013

the Haredi the or everyone else well nearly hmmmm kind of enjoyable to watch though

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
4. the Haredi can't get him there...
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 11:47 PM
Mar 2013

at most they can get him to 55 votes, even if Tzipi Livni stands by him and he can get a couple more votes down the list.

sabbat hunter

(6,825 posts)
7. When is the last time
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 02:18 PM
Mar 2013

there was a government in Israel that didn't require cobbling together a coalition of multiple parties rather than just one party having a majority, or maybe just having one partner? Do we have to go back to the "grand coalition" of Shamir/Peres? and before then?

Israel needs major reformation of how they elect a government.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
8. Now Bibi is calling Yair Lapid an anti-Semite (so rich it's fattening)
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 03:05 PM
Mar 2013

I wish people who see Bibi as the Jewish avenger, brave and true, would be aware of how this guy used the memory of Jewish persecution yesterday. He broke new ground. For the purpose of removing Yair Lapid as the obstacle to his forming a right-wing/ultra-Orthodox government, Netanyahu likened the Yesh Atid party leader’s refusal to sit in a government with Haredi parties to past boycotts against Jews. He also identified Lapid’s stance with current international boycotts of Israel and of products made in the settlements. For the goal of pressuring Naftali Bennett, leader of the settler-backed Habayit Hayehudi party, to break his alliance with Lapid and join up with the Haredi parties in his next government, Netanyahu told a news conference last night:

"There’s a boycott against a sector in Israel and this goes against my views. … I think that we, as Jews who have suffered from bans, we cry out in protest when Israel is shunned in international forums – as we should. We protest when settlers in Judea and Samaria have to deal with product boycotts – as we should. So the people who have to be the most sensitive to this issue are the settlers.

As Jews who have suffered from bans, we cry out in protest. So, Mr. Bennett, are you with Lapid, that boycotter of Jews, or are you against him?"

I suppose I should give Bibi credit for restraint – he could have evoked the image of ultra-Orthodox Jews in Europe being herded into gas chambers, but he limited himself to the goyim’s boycotts. (Note that he didn’t mention Lapid by name, giving himself what he thinks of as plausible deniability. A classic Netanyahu performance.)

http://972mag.com/now-bibi-is-calling-yair-lapid-an-anti-semite/67001/

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. Only according to Larry Derfner
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 01:51 AM
Mar 2013

Who is a vile individual and a really dumb one to boot.

Nowhere does anyone call anyone an anti-semite in that article.

It is honestly beyond comprehension that this man is published anywhere after the episode with Greta Berlin.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
11. well that is your opinion but what do you believe to be Derfner's purpose here?
Mon Mar 4, 2013, 02:11 AM
Mar 2013

and it is odd how Great Berlin is only brought up as some sort icon by one side, I have never seen much support for her by those who believe in self determination for Palestinians, but it does seem she gets more publicity from her detractors than her supposed supporters

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