Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumObama compares Israeli occupation to racial discrimination in U.S.
http://972mag.com/obama-compares-israeli-occupation-to-racial-discrimination-in-u-s/68027/What did, though, was a comment he made in front of occupied Palestinians:
Those of us in the United States understand that change takes time, but change is possible. There was a time when my daughters did not have the same opportunities as somebody elses daughters.
Powerful words. Maybe even a watershed moment. An African-American president comes to Ramallah and invokes the civil rights movement in the U.S. Without saying it specifically, he compares the situation of Palestinians under 45 years of occupation to blacks who suffered from racial discrimination. And he uses his own daughters in the process, making it personal. Showing his understanding.
madokie
(51,076 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:38 AM - Edit history (1)
On edit: PBO may have helped Bibi Netanyahu talk to the Turkish PM. Initiating peaceable relations is something to be proud of.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022551016
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Perfect example of how one can hear what one wants to hear if one tries really hard.
"Without saying it specifically..."
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)might be lost on those of lesser intellect, but that is why it is left up to the journalists to glean what is said behind what is said.
King_David
(14,851 posts)than whom in your mind ?
Yourself ?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)distraction after distraction?
Now we have to see, after he leaves, what Obama will do with this recognition. Just because he may believe Palestinians are discriminated against, doesnt mean hes going to do anything about it. Or can do anything about it. Will he and new Secretary of State John Kerry begin a good cop-bad cop routine? Push for new talks? Another process?
On edit: There are a reasons why we have a fourth estate, and that is to inform us sometimes of the truths of the world that are not apparent at first. Whether it is an in injustice, good news overlooked or a general public interest story; we all can miss things from time to time, and it is up to the media to point that out.
We can all accept that we need illumination at times.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Of course Obama said none of the things that the article imagines he did. But that doesn't stop the 972mag machine from spinning fantasy-land nonsense. It really is a great example of how, if you start with a particular lens, you can make everything you see or hear fit that framework.
Make sense, Danny?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Tell me that the next time Paul Krugman, Robert Reich or any other journalist for that matter writes anything related to the economy...or anything else and has to point out things that are denied by the establishment or just to put things in perspective.
It is a journalists job to cut through the bullshit in order to explain and educate.
I guess that I hit close to home with my original comment.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Very deep sips of the Kool Aid.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I would be happy to exchange ideas with you and not clog up the forum.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)If you really, really want me to point that out for all of I/P and DU just ask me to.
I'll link to each and every one of your empty posts, and then you can get back to me about serious conversations.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That would go a long way to unclogging the forum.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)At school I kept telling this bully not to call me faggot ... He never stopped so I had to thump him.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Now what I find truly derogatory is calling others anti-Semites in caged language. Now that is a true art of a bully.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)You know you're addressing a thorny devil, right? Moloch horridus?
All hail the lizard king.
King_David
(14,851 posts)That I also asked not to call me faggot , and they wouldn't stop , relentlessly until I thumped them both.. Then they stopped.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)One is a name while the other is a nasty epithet that I don't even like to hear.
Now back to bullies. How many bullies wrongly accuse others of being anti-Semites just to shut down dialog?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Take some notes from a pro.
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)unleess youy care to explain why you brought it up
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)you do not wish to expound it seems on why it said in the first place, that's okay
King_David
(14,851 posts)To confront them.
Count how many times I have told them not to call me that , but 3 of them persist .
I remember you telling someone just once not to call you "Az" and I never saw anyone call you "Az" ever again....
( anyway the whole thing is silly and immature and I'm ceasing talking about this irrelevant immature unimportant banter)
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)How many times have you insinuated somebody in I/P is an anti-Semite?
It's the only way to deal with bullies, to confront them.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)the thread. Instead said poster has to play the bully/victim card to distract from the dialog. The sad thing is that there is no bullying going on, but as to self victimization...?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)"That was his moment. A moment that unfortunately doesnt seem to be taken seriously by either local or international media."
Neither the local nor the international media picked up on the "nuance" that the 972magger did.
Cause for introspection perhaps?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Again, why some miss it entirely or wish to delegitimize it is not so much of a mystery when 972 is posted in I/P.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If I thought a comment meant something significant and no other journalist anywhere felt the same way, I might wonder if I was seeing something that was not there.
shira
(30,109 posts)...but are now open?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The playing field really is level?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)In America, yes, but not always.
In other parts of the world, like Israel, not always at all.
Did you want to call the White House and demand a retraction?
Mosby
(16,299 posts)His comment referenced Israelis and Palestinians, I take iit to mean that change can often take a long time but it's worth it.
You can read the unabridged quote in post #23.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)What do you believe that he is talking about there?
It wasn't "There was a time when my daughters did not have the same opportunities as somebody elses sons."
He's talking segregation. Jim Crow.
He used his daughters in that instance as well, bringing them up in reference to America's previous racial divide.
'Whenever I meet these young people, whether they're Israeli or Palestinian, I think of my young daughters,' he said during a joint press conference with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.
'Those of us in the United States understand that change takes time, but change is possible. There was a time when my daughters did not have the same opportunities as somebody else's daughters.'
Nice try.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That's a joke.
Mosby
(16,299 posts)'Whenever I meet these young people, whether they're Israeli or Palestinian, I think of my young daughters,' he said during a joint press conference with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.
'Those of us in the United States understand that change takes time, but change is possible. There was a time when my daughters did not have the same opportunities as somebody else's daughters.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296779/Israel-Obama-cites-racially-divided-past-US-urges-Palestinian-leader-Abbas-return-peace-talks.html
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Mosby
(16,299 posts)Is comparing the occupation to historic racism in the US.
This preceding sentence:
'Whenever I meet these young people, whether they're Israeli or Palestinian, I think of my young daughters,' he said during a joint press conference with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.
This sentence and the next clearly shows that he was talking about how structural changes can take a long time and was using the civil rights mvmt as an example. If he was comparing the occupation to the historic racism in the US why would he say "whether they're Israeli or Palestinian"?
Get it?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)parsed analyzed or what ever to mean something other than what it quite obviously did
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azurnoir
(45,850 posts)maybe it's a mass hallucination
'Whenever I meet these young people, whether they're Israeli or Palestinian, I think of my young daughters,' he said during a joint press conference with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.
'Those of us in the United States understand that change takes time, but change is possible. There was a time when my daughters did not have the same opportunities as somebody else's daughters.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296779/Israel-Obama-cites-racially-divided-past-US-urges-Palestinian-leader-Abbas-return-peace-talks.html#ixzz2OIsvY1jA
You really just see what you want to see.
Your Daily Mail article actually just prints what Obama says - instead of imagining things like the 972mag article does.
And you apparently.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)or something
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)+972 had it spot on and I do understand why that very obvious comparison makes so many here so very very uncomfortable
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)A petition for the daily mail and 972 to be banned? I'm sure the less diverse viewpoint will make some happy. No?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)The title fits if you were at a convention of psychics and mind readers .
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Quite the self supremist attitude.
What do Oberliner and Myself have in common that you think we both have a 'lesser intellect' ?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I can understand how the finer points and nuances of language might be lost on those of lesser intellect, but that is why it is left up to the journalists to glean what is said behind what is said.
...I have to point it out to you again?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Sending mexed missages!