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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:50 PM Mar 2013

Netanyahu phones Erdogan to apologize for deaths of Turkish citizens on Gaza flotilla

The two leaders spoke for first time since 2009, agreeing to normalize relations, and return their ambassadors to Tel Aviv and Ankara; Turkey agreed to cancel all legal proceedings initiated against IDF officers and soldiers over Mavi Marmara incident.

By Barak Ravid | Mar.22, 2013 | 4:21 PM

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu phoned Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Friday and apologized over the deaths of nine Turkish citizens during the 2010 Israel Navy raid on the Gaza flotilla.

Erdogan accepted the apology during his conversation with Netanyahu. Erdogan's office later released a statement saying Turkey valued its "friendship" with Israel.

Ties between Israel and Turkey deteriorated due to the May 2010 raid on the Mavi Marmara vessel, which was on its way from Turkey to the Gaza Strip. The ship was part of a flotilla aimed at breaking through a blockade Israel had placed on the coastal territory.

During Friday's phone call, Netanyahu told Erdogan that an Israeli investigation into the incident revealed several operational errors made by IDF forces. Netanyahu "expressed his apologies to the Turkish people for any error that could have led to loss of life and agreed to complete an agreement to provide compensation to the families of the victims," according to a statement by the Prime Minister's Office.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-phones-erdogan-to-apologize-for-deaths-of-turkish-citizens-on-gaza-flotilla.premium-1.511394

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Netanyahu phones Erdogan to apologize for deaths of Turkish citizens on Gaza flotilla (Original Post) Jefferson23 Mar 2013 OP
Capping Visit, Obama Brokers Israeli Apology to Turkey oberliner Mar 2013 #1
Of course Obama was involved, the jerk off Bibi would never do it on his own. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #3
It's as if the US controls the Israeli government oberliner Mar 2013 #4
Yea, one day that might be true, but not today. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #6
I was mostly just kidding around oberliner Mar 2013 #7
Now more than ever, they're completely dependent on the US.n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #8
That's how it was in the 1980s oberliner Mar 2013 #9
It is worse now, much worse. You need, I think, to consider the depth of how Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #11
You are way off base oberliner Mar 2013 #13
No, actually, I'm not. This topic seems to upset you. Israel's isolation has never been lower. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #14
It doesn't upset me - you just don't know what you are talking about oberliner Mar 2013 #16
I do know facts when I read them, and I do know your lens is scratched, perhaps Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #18
Maybe it is delrem Mar 2013 #24
The dumb ass arrogant Lieberman: Lieberman says apology to Turkey a 'serious mistake Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #2
Did he make that statement from jail? oberliner Mar 2013 #5
From jail? He gave a press conference at the Knesset a few days ago. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #10
Lieberman pleads not guilty as trial gets underway; first hearings set for late April oberliner Mar 2013 #12
And what? He gave the speech I told you about at the Knesset a few days ago. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #15
The trial will be starting soon oberliner Mar 2013 #17
yes surely Lieberman will resign, when Netanyahu stops holding his position as FM open azurnoir Mar 2013 #19
If he's found guilty, he won't have a choice oberliner Mar 2013 #20
lol, must be nice to know your boss believes in you that much. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #21
The 'West' needs Turkey to play nice when the military strikes on Iran commence. My guess is Purveyor Mar 2013 #22
Not too much surprises me any longer but if Obama gives the ok for any strike on Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #23
"When the military strikes on Iran commence..." oberliner Mar 2013 #25
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. Capping Visit, Obama Brokers Israeli Apology to Turkey
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:56 PM
Mar 2013

AMMAN, Jordan — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel on Friday apologized in a personal phone call to Turkey’s prime minister for a deadly commando raid on a Turkish ship in 2010, in a sudden reconciliation between the two countries that was partly brokered by President Obama during his visit to Israel this week, according to Israeli, Turkish and American officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/23/world/middleeast/president-obama-israel.html?_r=0

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
6. Yea, one day that might be true, but not today.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 02:09 PM
Mar 2013

If Israel's interests interfere with ours the occupation will be over sooner than
you can say, illegal settlement.

Keep in mind if Israel desires to isolate itself even further, they certainly are free
to do so now...just without the US backing. The US is and should be concerned
about their own relevance in the world too, hence the brokered apology to Turkey.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. I was mostly just kidding around
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 02:23 PM
Mar 2013

Do you think that Israel is more isolated now than, say, in the 1980s?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
11. It is worse now, much worse. You need, I think, to consider the depth of how
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:48 PM
Mar 2013

low Israel is perceived and the changing players of world leaders, one example, Egypt's
dictator is gone..Israel's former buddy.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. You are way off base
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:13 PM
Mar 2013

Israel has become much more integrated in terms of its relationship with the EU, and it also has a much higher number of allies in Africa, Asia, and across Eastern Europe than it did in the 1980s.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
14. No, actually, I'm not. This topic seems to upset you. Israel's isolation has never been lower.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:18 PM
Mar 2013

You're certainly free to believe what you wish about Israel.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. It doesn't upset me - you just don't know what you are talking about
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:21 PM
Mar 2013

I had been trying to be polite about it, but, please try to be informed about the history of the conflict.

Just because you think Israel is isolated does not make it so. Take a moment to step away from your lens and look at the facts objectively.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
18. I do know facts when I read them, and I do know your lens is scratched, perhaps
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:28 PM
Mar 2013

permanently.

Your brand of objectivity is pretty sad.

How is your petition to ban 972 Magazine going, oberliner?

delrem

(9,688 posts)
24. Maybe it is
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:47 PM
Mar 2013

The 9 nations opposing the Palestinian request for a non-member state status in the UN:

Israel, US, Canada, Czech Republic, Panama, and four small islands in the Pacific Ocean (Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, and Palau).

Canada is only part of that short list because we're still suffering under the leadership of the one term wonder Harper. You betcha the US knows how slim even that margin is.

I would call that "isolated", by any definition of the word.

Israel, in the '80s, still benefited from the nearness of several foundation myths.
From my own experience as a student in a Catholic school, the most prevalent myth was that promoting donations of $$ to, and emotional support for, Israel's kabbutz' "making deserts bloom, making an uninhabited and uninhabitable land fertile". The one and only context for this myth was a description of Jewish Israelis as holocaust survivors and victims of thousands of years of persecution. Like all myths, there's a strong element of truth to it, but also exaggeration, selection and abstraction. I know that I, as a student fed this myth, was bedazzled by it. My emotional support was 100%.

Of course, as a Catholic I was also fed some pretty hefty myths associating the Jewish people and the land of Israel with God, and not just any God but the one true God, the God of Jesus, of the Prophets and the God of the Jewish people (now that, children, is what you call a trump card). In the '80s the plight of Palestinians had almost zero air time and Palestinians were hardly if at all imagined to exist. To be sure there're still an extraordinary number of people living 100% in that mythic, religious bubble which negates Palestinians while glorifying Jews. But it's a very different world, today, in so many ways, and IMO that bubble which once enclosed a majority now encloses only a minority. Today more and more people set religious inequalities aside and seek for peaceful resolutions to conflicts which recognize the equality of persons.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
2. The dumb ass arrogant Lieberman: Lieberman says apology to Turkey a 'serious mistake
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 01:59 PM
Mar 2013

Netanyahu phoned Turkish PM Erdogan to apologize over the deaths of nine Turkish citizens aboard the Gaza flotilla in May 2012 after an Israel Navy raid; the two agreed to normalize relations.

By Barak Ravid, Jonathan Lis and Gili Cohen | Mar.22, 2013 | 7:24 PM

Former Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said on Friday that Israel's apology to Turkey over the 2010 Israel Navy raid on the Gaza flotilla was a "serious mistake."

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu telephoned Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Friday, and apologized for the deaths of nine Turkish activists during the raid on the Mavi Marmara vessel. The two leaders agreed to normalize relations between the two countries.

Lieberman, who currently chairs the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, stated in response: "An apology by the State of Israel on an Israel Defense Forces operation against a terror organization is a serious mistake."

"The apology hurts the motivation of IDF soldiers, strengthens extremists in the area and hurts Israel's struggle along the righteous path," he said.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/lieberman-says-apology-to-turkey-a-serious-mistake.premium-1.511420

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
10. From jail? He gave a press conference at the Knesset a few days ago.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 04:26 PM
Mar 2013

Said he would block any settlement construction freeze.

He seems fine to me, as if nothing unusual is going on in his life.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. Lieberman pleads not guilty as trial gets underway; first hearings set for late April
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:04 PM
Mar 2013

The trial of former Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman began in the Jerusalem Magistrate’s Court on Sunday afternoon.

Lieberman, who is charged with fraud and breach of trust in the appointment of Ze’ev Ben Aryeh as Israel’s ambassador to Latvia, entered a plea of innocence.

Initial proceedings were scheduled for late April.

During his trial Lieberman is barred from sitting in the cabinet, but he can continue his parliamentary activities as a Knesset member. If he is convicted of offenses carrying moral turpitude, he will have to resign immediately.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/lieberman-pleads-not-guilty-as-trial-gets-underway-first-hearings-set-for-late-april.premium-1.503895

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
15. And what? He gave the speech I told you about at the Knesset a few days ago.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 05:20 PM
Mar 2013

I don't think he is worried.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
22. The 'West' needs Turkey to play nice when the military strikes on Iran commence. My guess is
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:13 PM
Mar 2013

that is why Obama insisted on this apology or it was a 'no-go' on Iran.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
23. Not too much surprises me any longer but if Obama gives the ok for any strike on
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 07:44 PM
Mar 2013

Iran, I will be shocked...makes no sense. Needless to say, horrifying too.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
25. "When the military strikes on Iran commence..."
Sat Mar 23, 2013, 08:13 PM
Mar 2013

Those military strikes have been "imminent" for going on three years now.

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