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Related: About this forumUpdate to shooting deaths at Beitunia (must read)
An Israeli guy has written a blog about the Beitunia shootings that appears to be very well informed.
You'll have to use google translate, but it seems reasonably clear that:-
1) The rubber bullet adapters used by the Israeli soldiers are capable of firing live ammunition
2) When firing rubber bullets, the rifle should not cycle (ie automatically eject spent ammo). The fact that it does tends to support the view that he was firing live ammunition
http://eishton.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/nakba_day_bitunya_shooting_analysis/
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)if that adaption prevented the firing of live ammo, I guess it doesn't
graphic from the article
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R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)i should wait for others to weigh in on this and their clubbing experiences first.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)but didnt get very far. Luckily there is so much infantile mollycoddling on this website, or people might actually have a productive discussion from time to time.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I wonder though if it would have flown without the video or any I/P reference
however there is nothing in the RKBA SoP about I/P
Statement of Purpose
Discuss gun politics, gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1172
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)compared to the gender battles and so forth.
Anyway.
He mentions at the end of the replies that occasionally, a rifle can cycle due to the pressure generated by the rubber bullet. Apparently they are going to go out to a range and see whether this is a realistic prospect.
The bloke in green (not the killer) with a rifle trained on the Palestinians was apparently just a reporter from Israel Army Radio. He wasnt authorised to fire on the Palestinians although he did carry a weapon for self-defence (presumably loaded with live ammo). This wasnt the weapon he was pointing at the Palestinians (one presumes) because that rifle had a rubber bullet adapter attached).
The magazine used to fire blanks is shorter (as appears in the video) and has a plastic lip that serves as a safety feature, which prevents live rounds from being accidentally loaded. However, the lip can be knocked off with a screwdriver to allow the weapon to fire live ammunition.
shira
(30,109 posts)Also, the bullet allegedly found in the backpack of one of the youths should've become deformed once it hit its target.
Last, there's this Pallywood footage from just a bit earlier:
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)at reasonably short range (80m). The bullet won't fragment or necessarily even tumble at that range as long as it passes through soft tissue, which is what is indicated in the autopsies.
You dont necessarily see a lot of blood immediately with gunshot wounds, particularly with FMJ. Of course, the victims bled quite copiously after that:-
shira
(30,109 posts)According to the cameras, that fake acting stunt happened just minutes before the 1st incident.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Ive been around wrong enough to know how these things go:-
1) Dismiss Palestinian eyewitness testimony about shootings out of hand
2) There's video? Well, it must have been faked.
3) It wasn't? Well it must have been selectively edited.
4) They've released the whole video? Ah, um, LOOK OVER THERE!!!
5) NO REALLY!! LOOK BEHIND YOU!!!
6) Hamas Hamas Hamas blood libel Hamas Hamas Hamas
7) How many people were killed in Syria? Huh? And why are you concentrating on these two Palestinians? Thats singling out Israel don't you know....
8) Claim that Israel couldnt have killed the Palestinians because their rifles wouldnt fire live ammo (false), or because they didnt have a vantage point (false) or because there was no blood (false)
9) Claim that the Palestinians were never shot and never died and that their funerals were faked, although they were open casket funerals and by golly, they must be very good at lying very still for a very long time...
10) Claim that the Palestinians were killed in an elaborate conspiracy scheme whereby they were both shot dead by the ambulance driver en route to the hospital
11) No, really: http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/nadim-nawarah-was-shot-in-leg-by-rubber.html
12) Dismiss any finding of fact by any tribunal or court as biased, as well as any Israeli admission of guilt, or any testimony by Israeli soldiers themselves (eg Breaking the Silence)
13) Hope and pray that youve muddied the waters enough for causal observers, at least until the next dead Palestinian comes along. Rinse and repeat.
shira
(30,109 posts)...the incident. All caught on the very same camera. Instead, you write up a 10 minute rant rather than watch a simple 1 minute video.
I'd just like to see someone like yourself acknowledging some funny business going on, that's all.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)double down on gross disrespect and denial.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Now do you want to retract you earlier bigoted comments?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Its frustrating.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)were the bodies dug up from a grave yard- are they realistic looking mannequins what-if memory serves you at different times spouted all of the above in the case of Mohammad al Dura depending on what the latest conspiracy theory on that case was - until Karsenty lost his case
Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)Whenever Palestinian propagandists have made an outrageous accusation like this in the past, it has always eventually proved to be somewhere between a gross misrepresentation and an outright fraud.
You may prefer jumping to your favorite conclusion, but I'll wait until the truth comes out. It may take some time, but sooner or later it always does.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Mohammed al-Dura is the example usually trotted out by the hasbarados, but:-
(a) there's no evidence that the Palestinians conducted any fraud. Most balanced accounts of the incident say simply that he was killed "in crossfire" there being no definitive indication one way or another whether it was Israeli or Palestinian gunfire that killed him
(b) the IDF admitted responsibility for killing him, so the fact that they were alleged to have done so is hardly surprising in the circumstances.
And there are plenty of examples where concerted Palestinian and international pressure have led to official findings of guilt by Israeli authorities:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Hurndall#Investigation_as_a_result_of_pressure
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Miller_(filmmaker)
http://www.crimesofwar.org/commentary/israel-institutes-proceedings-in-relation-to-gaza-war/
shira
(30,109 posts)...peeking at the cameras (around 0:55) after he was already declared dead:
Charles Enderlin of France 2 outrageously claimed he cut this particular footage to spare people of the boy's agony and death throes.
And note: Not one drop of blood at this scene either.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)and besides, I thought you guys were of the opinion that Palestinians shot al-dura, in which case there would still be plenty of blood. Or is there a new conspiracy theory that I havent heard about yet?
shira
(30,109 posts)Compare...
to this:
Where did the blood on his upper leg suddenly go? Seems like the boy is holding a red shirt or red rag in his hand. And then there's the boy caught on camera peeking at the camera after being declared dead, which for some reason you're not interested in.
It's called Pallywood.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Karsenty lost period
Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)Ho-kay, well at least now I understand your reasoning...
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)To wit:-
Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)but then I'm not committed to accepting every jihadist blood libel at face value.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Otherwise, people might start to think that you're just talking out of your hat.
Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)I'm not worried that any reasonable person would jump to such a conclusion, but I can only wonder where all your "bullshit" comments are coming from.
shira
(30,109 posts)How do u explain that one away?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the guy appears to in the exact same place in the beginning and the end (after the cut) of the video looks like (dis)honestreporting spliced part of the beginning on to the end and then claimed the guy walked away if it was anything else the video would not have gone black when it did
King_David
(14,851 posts)Is their exposure...
"How dare they expose these absolute frauds and shine a very bad light on my guys"
LOL
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)actually I find them almost humorous
King_David
(14,851 posts)Honest Reporting, Memri,and Camera for exposing inconvenient truths.
Same reason the term "pinkwashing" came into being , to deflect from the fucking homophobic bigoted primitive and backward cultures ( as pertains to gay rights) regimes surrounding Israel = inconvenient truths.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)With respect to gays , and gay rights and treatment of Gays , Israel's neighbors are culturally inferior as well as backward , primitive and base.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Only a non progressive could possibly defend the homophobic bigotry of the neighbors of the Jewish state .
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)...which would be a nightmare for women, gays, religious minorities, blacks, etc.?
I don't see any of Israel's fiercest critics holding Hamas to the fire for the way they've oppressed Palestinians the last 9 years.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and SoS support either
and no Hamas has not been held to the fire to the extent Israel has been, marginalized political parties rarely held to the fire in the same manner that governments of sovereign countries are
on the same token no has made excuses or justifications for Hamas actions either, can the same be said for Israel's supporters when it comes to the siege of Gaza or the unilateral move to blockade fishing off the coast of Gaza by reducing the limit to 3 miles rather than the legally agreed to 20 mile limit?
shira
(30,109 posts)...them for oppressing Palestinians unless you're questioned by your opponents first. Why is that, since you say u don't support them at all?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)actually Hamas is considered relatively small dice these days but do by all means keep banging that drum
how come you seem fine with any abuse IDF mets out to Palestinians to the point of attempting to portray the death of 2 Palestinian kids as Pallywood (a bigoted term coined by a bigot) as we've seen here on this thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=63995
seems that 'some' here fine with Palestinians suffering any abuse as long as it comes from Israeli hands
shira
(30,109 posts)Oops?
I'm not fine with IDF abuse. I think it's legit to question why there were rubber bullets fired when there seemingly wasn't a threat at the time.
Pallywood is vile, hateful incitement. There was a recent example argued in another thread where 2 Palestinian boys who play soccer were shot a dozen times in the feet. Facebook photos proved that to be ridiculous libel aimed at delegitimizing and inciting more hatred. Funny that Israel's fiercest critics couldn't acknowledge the obvious Pallywood there either.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)only surfaces as means to condemn those that would see Palestinians allowed to live as human beings as a whole, as for Hamas oppression no one here has supported it however it maybe that we consider things like enforced economic strangulation, and the day to day oppression of living under such conditions of oppression and isolation actually supportive of the abuse to the rights of Women and Gays you claim to be so concerned about, but only when you are attempting to prove something else it seems
shira
(30,109 posts)I don't claim to be pro-Palestinian, but you do.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I'm sure that they'll be relived that you have come to that astounding realization so that can get on with their lives.
shira
(30,109 posts)That calls into question everything being claimed.
Or do u not see any funny business (Pallywood) in the video? Yes or No?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)with the superior intelligence we're told IDF employs in the Occupied territories, that would clear up any question wouldn't it but no instead you present us with a silent video conveniently captioned by EldarofZyon a hate site that was not allowed on DU2
shira
(30,109 posts)This footage was taken within 2-3 minutes of the incident.
Agree or not?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)that was in the past not allowed on DU2 because it was considered unreliable (I'm being polite), is hardly convincing but you seem to enjoy it so keep going
shira
(30,109 posts)Start at 37:25 and try to explain what can only be described as pure Pallywood, pretty please with a cherry on top.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)of what happen on Nakba Day
also note no one here has attempted to pull what you're doing here quite frankly I find your attempts to deny the deaths of 2 kids because they are Palestinian and were killed by IDF disgusting
shira
(30,109 posts)...before the incident in the exact same location.
What do u have to lose by admitting that?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)there is nothing to admit on my part but perhaps you could admit to us what your purpose here is
shira
(30,109 posts)but then again, I can explain why Nazi apologists seize on any mote or jot or minutiae as "proof" that six million people didn't really die. I can delve into the motivation for same (both theirs and yours), but it isn't particularly edifying really. The common aspect is that once you set the standard of proof high enough, you can deny anything.
In this case, it would take the mother of all conspiracy theories to claim that the Palestinians faked being shot by the Israelis, faked the ambulance, the hospital, the autopsy reports, then willingly agreed to be shot (in the case of the victims) and to murder their own countrymen (in the case of the ambulance driver), then staged a funeral, kept all of that from leaking out, and managed to do it all in perfect sync with how the Israelis were firing their rifles.
But I realise that many people would believe that rather than accepting the obvious.
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 9, 2014, 09:33 PM - Edit history (1)
....obvious Pallywood going on, right around 37:25 just a few minutes before the incident...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113463618#post42
Since you mentioned denial by certain apologists, I'll remind you that your comrades here deny seeing Pallywood there. You have no explanation for it either. It's so bad, you refuse to even look at it. So who's really in denial here?
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Someone gets sconed on the leg, by a rubber bullet I presume. He limps into the field of view. The ambulance driver moves in, thinking he needs treatment. However, he shakes it off and flings another rock back at the Israelis for their trouble. The ambulance concludes that he doesnt need treatment and turns back around.
As I said above:-
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)The Holocaust took eleven million victims.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)The hasnaristas will go to great lengths to discredit any death, wounding, shooting, torture, land theft, humilliation and intimidation by the IDF, illegal Israeli settlers and greater Israel as a whole.
Some of the hasbaristas are just inhuman colonists: using apartheid as a genocidal tool. Sone others are probably a bit sociopathic in nature: enjoying the suffering of another group of people. While the rest are just hapless tools and no so closeted racists.
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)hasbaristas stand for apartheid.
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)is how you appear to be attempting to discredit the deaths of two Palestinians to further your cause.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)really happened it has been accepted that they did, not even the Israeli government denies these kids are dead
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)(supposedly) because the claims of no blood ect would seem to do that
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)thanks for that
shira (20,857 posts)
55. Because fabricating blood libels that incite hatred vs Jews is disgusting and vile. n/t
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=63988
shira
(30,109 posts)All we really know is that rubber bullets were fired, there was no blood, the bullet allegedly used couldn't have killed anyone, and there was definitely Pallywood going on just prior to the incident in question.
News reports should at the VERY LEAST report that Pallywood is a definite possibility that makes this incident anything but open and shut against Israel.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Can you imagine the uproar that it would cause?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)ditto a similar claim of just about any other murder too
shira
(30,109 posts)...and yet here you are accusing others.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)they claim rock throwing which apparently they feel justifies a death sentence at least when it's Palestinian kids throwing the rocks
but I will give you points for going to B'tselems youtube channel as opposed to CAMERAS site adds a certain flavor
http://blog.camera.org/archives/2014/05/post_132.html
shira
(30,109 posts)Remember, your cherished Maan News reported a whopper just a few months ago about the IDF making mincemeat out of young Palestinian soccer players' feet. 10-12 bullets, remember? Of course you do! Facebook photos showed that was Pallywood fiction as well.
Just like the video footage 2 minutes before the incident in question on Nakba day provides more than enuff reason to doubt this latest story.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)you would need video footage of the Brussels assassin firing the fatal shots, the victims falling to the ground, photos of their bullet riddled corpses, funerals, hospital and autopsy reports.
If you had all that, and still people denied that it ever happened, then perhaps then you could compare denial of the Brussels murders to denial of the Beitunia shootings.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)From either side of the "debate"
shira
(30,109 posts)Pallywood or nothing to see there?
Maybe it's just me and I'm delusional.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Too much wistful thinking on your part.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)to dismiss any atrocities against victims of Israeli apartheid to bolster their bigoted causes.
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)did not take place. All you have done is attempt to discredit their deaths.
Bad form that.
shira
(30,109 posts)No one is claiming there weren't any deaths.
There was even a picture from Mondoweiss showing a rubber bullet in the air that made the exact same sound as the round that allegedly killed one of the boys in the video. Which goes to show there's no reason to believe a real live bullet was fired despite the rubber bullet attachment seen in the video.
It's not open and shut and there's lots of evidence from past Pallywood to call into question what happened that day.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)live fire deaths: updates to shooting deaths.
The only takeaway that I gain from your posts is that you wish to discredit.
Bad form that.
And to any DUers reading this watch shira's logical fallacy in motion.
Firstly, shira claims "No one is claiming there weren't any deaths."
Then she goes on to contradict her rushed statement with the below.
The boys are not allegedly dead, shira. They were murdered.
Rubber-coated bullets do not make the same sound as live fire. The Palestinians know the difference. Unfortunately hasbaristas like to muddy the waters.
http://www.btselem.org/releases/20140520_bitunya_killings_on_nakba_day
'Tselem obtained medical opinions regarding the entry and exit wounds found in the bodies of all four victims, which are completely consistent with injuries caused by live fire and could not have been caused by rubber-coated metal bullets especially not when fired at a relatively long range, as was the case here. Also, eyewitness accounts described the sound of live gunfire, which sounds different from rubber-coated bullet fire.
And then there's the usual round up of nonsensical 1+1=3 non-Mensa blurt that is shira's conclusion.
Now shira once again questions the validity of the deaths with insults.
Good for you, shira. you have reached a new low.
shira
(30,109 posts)...vs the Jewish state.
You also misunderstand about the boys who were killed. I'm not at all convinced that the boys who died that day were the same boys from the video.
Do u still not understand why supporters of Israel have VERY GOOD reason for concern based on the Pallywood footage from "The Hopper" video?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)who's to say they're not reptilian? Can you prove they don't have scales?
Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #83)
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shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)I have my disagreements with others on this board, but by and large those other people generally refrain from peddling vile and lurid conspiracy theories against Palestinians, whereas you tend to accept them uncritically.
Going back to the Mohammed al-Dura matter, I accept that it is plausible that al-Dura was killed by Palestinian fire. It is certainly true that there were Palestinian gunmen firing in the vicinity. The Israeli report of the incident, which was never published but was leaked to Haaretz, claimed that al-Dura was most likely killed by Palestinian gunfire, although it was still possible (although unlikely in their view) that al-Dura was killed by Israeli fire. I would note that the Israelis never alleged that the entire scene was faked, or that Mohammed al-Dura was still alive. Reasonable people can disagree on the former premise, but not the latter.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)this is the third shooting, of Mohammed Abu Thaher. In this photo the blood is starting to darken under his shirt and is sticking to his hand as well as the hand of the person trying to apply pressure to the wound.
rafeh1
(385 posts)can u give us some background on this. the link is in hebrew
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)as he was bundled into the ambulance:-
and at the morgue:-
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)who thinks that the corpse was of someone else entirely. Its quite clearly the same person.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)in the comments:-
In theory, I don't see why he couldn't have been shot entering the ambulance. One has to wonder why the ambulance arrived directly on the scene for the Pallywood dress rehearsal three minutes before but only arrived one block north for the actual play, to a spot that the people were running to before it even arrived. Wouldn't you normally flag it down and have it come to you rather than run with a victim to an empty space?
Again, this all sounds horrible, but what eyewitness would dare to come forward if it happened?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I read the disclaimer, not sure when I have read one like it..they seem to know their audience:
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shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)but yeah, they're an interesting mob.
To be honest, if someone ran a story that Palestinians use the blood of Jewish children to make mamoul pastries for Eid celebrations, I reckon that most of them would believe it.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)A Border Police officer was arrested Tuesday on suspicion of shooting Nadim Syam Nuwara (17) with live ammunition, one of two Palestinian teenagers killed during Nakba Day protests in the West Bank village of Beitunia last May. The border policeman is being charged with murder and his commander is also facing charges for not reporting the incident.
The shootings, which were caught on film by CCTV cameras, showed that the protesters posed no immediate threat to the soldiers at the time they were shot. It was unclear whether the policeman was also implicated in the killing of Mohammad Mahmoud Odeh, 16, who was killed under nearly identical circumstances in the same place on the same day. The investigation into the incident is being conducted by a unit with the police force.
http://972mag.com/border-cop-arrested-for-nakba-day-killing-debunking-idf-tales/98670/
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)One the one hand, good on them for acting now. On the other, what a load of bullshit artists.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)It was azurnoir who reminded me in a post about your thread...seemed a good time to
remind some here of their opinions at the time.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Just like that person always does.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)this was yet another fake blood libel accusation by that poster, and I quote:-
"fabricating blood libels that incite hatred vs Jews is disgusting and vile. n/t"
What is truly disgusting is the cynical, exploitative and reflexive use of anti-semitism accusations to excuse any misconduct on the part of the Israelis, up to and including cold blooded murder.
Israeli
(4,132 posts)I dont know what to say ....I'm in shock .
" For the record let us note that " .....noted shaayecanaan .
And I agree with you on this to :
" What is truly disgusting is the cynical, exploitative and reflexive use of anti-semitism accusations to excuse any misconduct on the part of the Israelis, up to and including cold blooded murder. "
MFM008
(19,776 posts)when the IDF has quite a record at killing children this year. Just throw them on the pile.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Israeli
(4,132 posts)Relatives of one of the two Palestinian youths shot to death in Beitunia on Nakba Day praised the Jerusalem Magistrate Court's decision Wednesday to extend the remand of the border guard suspected in the incident.
Judea and Samaria District Police, who arrested the guard, is investigating a charge that he used live fire when shooting at Nadim Nawarah, 17, and Muhammad Salameh, 22. The guard's remand was extended by six days.
The shooting occurred in May, during clashes marking Nakba Day at the Beitunia checkpoint, where disturbances included stone-throwing and tire-burning. Salameh was shot in the back, while Nawarah was shot when he was not throwing stones or endangering soldiers.
"We know the investigation is still ongoing, but as a first step this is very important to us," Siyam Nawarah, Nadim's father, told Ynet.
The father emphasized that the family would closely watch developments in the case. "This is Israel's opportunity to show the entire world that it is a law-abiding nation, meaning that the law is equal for Palestinians and Israelis. Israel must show the world that it will punish the officer in the same way as it would a Palestinian who shot an Israeli.
"If a Palestinian murders an Israeli, he gets a life sentence, and that's exactly what the officer should get for murdering a Palestinian," he added. "Justice should be blind and equal for both sides."
He also praised Israeli security forces for the in-depth investigation. "I'm satisfied by the fact that Israel is taking the right steps in this case."
The father said that he received an official message on Wednesday from an officer of the District Coordination Liaison Office on the policeman's arrest.
He recounted that during the preceding days, he received a visit from Judea and Samaria District's central police unit, and that he answered all their questions.
He noted that he had felt that investigators were close to arresting a suspect, and wasn't surprised when he heard of the officer's arrest.
Continued at :
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4591647,00.html
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Seems like they are actually treating this like a real investigation. Remarkable that they charged him with murder, normally this sort of stuff gets a slap on the wrist at best.
Even the us only gave six weeks to the guys that tortured an afghan taxi driver to death.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)thanks for the link
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)"Its amazing.
Israel's kapos have arrested a Border Police officer for trying to save his own life.
This would not happen in a normal country.
Believe it or not - Israel's use of arms regulations actually prohibit police and soldiers from shooting to kill when their lives are at risk!"
"I very much do like that he was killed by live fire - and the officer should have gotten a medal for his deed."
"A Border Police officer has to be the sacrificial lamb to appease Jew-hating Arabs.
The people who run Israel's police are quite simply insane."
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Officer in court (Photo: Gil Yohanan)
Aviel Magnezi
Published: 11.23.14,
Jerusalem District's state attorney filed an indictment against the Border Guard officer who shot a Palestinian to death in May 2014 during Nakba Day clashes in Beitunia.
The indictment charges the officer with manslaughter, not with murder as previously suspected - drawing criticism from the boy's father, who said the evidence showed the killing was pre-meditated. The state attorney asked the suspect remain in custody until the end of the legal proceedings.
According to the officer's lawyer, his client was not involved in the actuall shooting in question: "No only did the defendant not kill (the Palestinian youth), he didnt even shoot. We believe that he will be cleared of the (manslaughter) charge." He cited technical problems with the forensic evidence.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595128,00.html
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)By Chaim Levinson | Nov. 23, 2014
A Border Police soldier was indicted on Sunday for the killing of a Palestinian teenager during a protest in the West Bank town of Beitunia on May 15. Nadim Nuwara, 17, of Ramallah was fatally shot during a Nakba Day demonstration. The name of the Border Policeman may not be published.
According to the indictment by the Jerusalem District Prosecutors Office, the soldier served as the commander of a squad in Company 38 of the Border Police, which is stationed at the Ofer military base. On May 15, Nakba Day (when Palestinians mark what they call the "catastrophe" that happened to them with the establishment of Israel), the company was positioned at several locations in Beitunia, a town near Ramallah. At 11 A.M., the soldier was on a terrace overlooking the road between Beitunia and the separation fence and the crossing point for goods that is located there. Other Border Police officers and a soldier documenting events were with him.
The Border Police officers orders were to shoot rubber bullets at the demonstrators. The soldier had an M-16 rifle with an attachment for firing rubber bullets. To fire the rubber bullets, he had a magazine marked with red, with blanks inside. He had replaced the bullets in the marked magazine with regular bullets for the M-16 to hide the fact that he was firing live bullets. At 1:45 P.M., four minutes after Nuwara threw a stone at the troops, the Border Police soldier fired a bullet into his chest, killing him.
The District Prosecutors Office has asked to extend his remand until the end of proceedings.
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