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azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 06:00 PM Jun 2014

IDF preparing for siege of Hebron

The IDF is making preparations for the siege of Hebron, as part of a massive manhunt led following the kidnapping of three Israeli teens who disappeared while hitchhiking in the West Bank on Thursday night.

DF forces have loaded concrete barricades on trucks and spread out bulldozers in the city. In addition, Palestinian sources reported Sunday that all the main entrances to the city were blocked by the IDF with concrete blocks.

A senior General Staff source said on Sunday that in terms of professionalism, the kidnapping is of the highest level. According to him, the IDF estimate that the abductees were not transferred to the Gaza Strip or to Sinai, "but we are prepared for that option." He added that "we are employing all the special units and means to locate them.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4530610,00.html

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IDF preparing for siege of Hebron (Original Post) azurnoir Jun 2014 OP
And to think they bringing these Hamas terrorists into government . King_David Jun 2014 #1
say what? Not according to our Democratic administration who is still willing to work with the unity azurnoir Jun 2014 #2
The Hamas terrorists have kidnapped King_David Jun 2014 #3
as the Democratic POTUS spokesperson said Hamas is not part of the Unity Governments technocrats azurnoir Jun 2014 #4
Hoping? King_David Jun 2014 #6
The technocrats are temporary Mosby Jun 2014 #14
That's the new mantra: " they not Hamas they technocrats" King_David Jun 2014 #16
It also happens to be true Scootaloo Jun 2014 #21
Was Amerdinejet's blatant antiSemitic King_David Jun 2014 #23
Ahmedinejad. Scootaloo Jun 2014 #25
Except they didn't. Scootaloo Jun 2014 #8
The seperate group would take responsibility for the space shuttle disaster King_David Jun 2014 #12
Well, they're not doing that David Scootaloo Jun 2014 #13
Kerry points to Hamas role in Israelis' kidnapping King_David Jun 2014 #15
Ever seen Spinal Tap? Scootaloo Jun 2014 #17
I'm pretty sure somebody out there thinks that's a very clever response nt King_David Jun 2014 #18
I'm not worried either way. Scootaloo Jun 2014 #19
Still not understanding, King_David Jun 2014 #20
Washington, actually Scootaloo Jun 2014 #22
OMG King_David Jun 2014 #24
Eighteen days, actually. Scootaloo Jun 2014 #26
Seems much longer than that nt King_David Jun 2014 #27
3 injured in Israeli raid on house in Hebron (2 are children) azurnoir Jun 2014 #5
As usual Maan reports are innaccurate. Dick Dastardly Jun 2014 #7
Both reports rely on unnamed sources. Scootaloo Jun 2014 #9
Really a report from the area that gives names and ages is 'inaccurate'? while azurnoir Jun 2014 #10
Maan news always needs to be cross referenced nt King_David Jun 2014 #11

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
2. say what? Not according to our Democratic administration who is still willing to work with the unity
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 07:12 PM
Jun 2014

government and oh yes I've read what Kerry has been saying too but what he does not say is that we're pulling support

King_David

(14,851 posts)
3. The Hamas terrorists have kidnapped
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 07:16 PM
Jun 2014

A USA citizen now , hopefully not murdered.
I don't think the USA is going to be able to continue to support that unity government when the terrorist half of that government kidnaps and terrorized US citizens.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
4. as the Democratic POTUS spokesperson said Hamas is not part of the Unity Governments technocrats
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 07:40 PM
Jun 2014

but do keep hoping and oh have you been reading the comments on Israeli news sites I have

King_David

(14,851 posts)
6. Hoping?
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 08:24 PM
Jun 2014

The only thing I hope is they find the 3 boys alive and rescue them from those monsters .

The rest is irrelevant at this stage .

Mosby

(16,160 posts)
14. The technocrats are temporary
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:58 PM
Jun 2014

When and if elections are held Hamas will have candidates and this silly facade of respectability will be exposed.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
16. That's the new mantra: " they not Hamas they technocrats"
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 09:43 PM
Jun 2014

Same as the Amerdinejet "mistranslation" mantra... It will go on and on and on until it becomes ridiculous .

Mistranslation !

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
21. It also happens to be true
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:01 PM
Jun 2014

Unlike the lies to the contrary. Hamas is not part of the current government. Netanyahu is lying every time he says otherwise, and you are joining in the lie every time you repeat it.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
25. Ahmedinejad.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:22 PM
Jun 2014

Seriously, if you can't even get the name right, how is anyone going to buy your claims of verifiable translation?

At any rate, we're talking about Hamas, and Netanyahu's false claims that they're part of the current PA government. Not the ex-preisdent of Iran, who's not relevant to anything in this discussion.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
8. Except they didn't.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:19 AM
Jun 2014

There's not a single member of Hamas in the current government, David. That's a bald-faced lie that you are knowingly repeating.

Second, despite Netanyahu's desperate grasping for justification to start a new war, the fact is that a separate group has claimed responsibility for these kidnappings. If you're really as interested in the lives of these three kids as you claim - and of course you're not, but if - then you gotta admit, that's a pretty good lead to go on. Especially sincehte only evidence of Hamas involvement semes to be netanyahu going "HAMASHAMASHAMAS!!!!" into a microphone.

And it's a lead that, by all appearances, Israel is ignoring. Now, we don't know what's going on behind the intelligence curtain of course, so, maybe not - let's hope that appearances are deceiving, there. Because ignoring a blatant lead like that of course wastes valuable time needed to recover these teenagers.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
12. The seperate group would take responsibility for the space shuttle disaster
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 07:46 AM
Jun 2014

if it could.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry called for the immediate release of three kidnapped Israeli teens and noted the “many indications” pointing to Hamas’ involvement.
In a statement released Sunday afternoon, more than 48 hours after the teens’ abduction, Kerry said he “strongly condemns” the kidnapping and reiterated that Hamas is a “terrorist organization.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113464228




This was Hamas .

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
13. Well, they're not doing that David
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 02:30 PM
Jun 2014

Dawlat-al-Islam is known to be active in the Hebron areas - Israeli security killed three of them in a raid in November. This is in fact the stated impetus behind these kidnappings. And it fits the MO of the group's affiliates, who have been kidnapping civilians for ransom across Syria and Iraq.

Now, could it be Hamas? Possibly. However it's just not likely. Hamas kidnapping attempts have targeted high-value targets - soldiers. Not random kids. If they were going to do that, they'd have been doing so already. Second, you've got to ask, what purpose would it serve? Honestly, think for a moment, such an act would work against Hamas' current goal of political validity. It makes no sense to just grab three random kids off the street. And if they were so brazen and dumb, well, they'd be taking credit for it.

Dawlat-al-Islam has motive and prior acts, and has no investment in the current political situation. Hamas has no motive, deep investment in current politics, and while it has kidnapped before, it targets a different category of people.

The problem is Dave that this tunnel-vision focus on Hamas basically gives a free pass to any other bunch of lunkhead assholes operating in Israel - Palestine. And that presents a clear danger to the people you pretend to be concerned about.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
17. Ever seen Spinal Tap?
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 09:48 PM
Jun 2014


Marty: "Why don't you just make ten louder, and make ten be the top number, and make that a little louder?
Nigel: *Awkward silence* ...These go to eleven!"
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
19. I'm not worried either way.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 09:58 PM
Jun 2014

The point is, you keep telling me your version of "...these go to eleven!" as if it's meaningful.

I'm well aware of what Kerry said. I'm explaining to you why he's very possibly wrong, and why Netanyahu has a clear interest in such a misdirection. What are the "indications"? What is there to convince me that an organization with no reason to do this, is the more likely culprit than one who DOES have reason, an claims to have done it?

Think you can keep up, pr are you just going to keep telling me about your amps?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
22. Washington, actually
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:02 PM
Jun 2014

I'm telling you to stop spouting inane meaningless crap at me and say something relevant and informative. Or, at the very least try to do so.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
26. Eighteen days, actually.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:28 PM
Jun 2014

And yeah. Weird how suggesting a misogynist might not be the strongest thinker on the site can lead to that sort of thing Funny how he crashed and burned in under a week, but whatever.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. 3 injured in Israeli raid on house in Hebron (2 are children)
Sun Jun 15, 2014, 07:46 PM
Jun 2014

Three Palestinians were injured late Sunday after the Israeli army bombed open the door of a house in the city of Hebron, locals told Ma'an.

Locals said that Israeli forces in the Ein Deir al-Baha area of the city blew open the door of a house belonging to Akram al-Qawasami, injuring him and two young children.

Al-Qawasami, his eight-year-old son Muhammad, and his young daughter Sujoud sustained shrapnel injuries, the sources said.

Soldiers then raided the house and arrested Zaid Akram al-Qawasami.

The Israeli forces called through a loudspeaker moments before bombing open the door, the sources added.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=705045

Dick Dastardly

(937 posts)
7. As usual Maan reports are innaccurate.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:11 AM
Jun 2014




Israeli troops blast into Hebron home, no casualties: witnesses


(Reuters) - Israeli troops scouring a West Bank city for three Israeli teenagers who are believed to have been abducted by Palestinian militants blew down the door of a home with explosives on Sunday after residents did not admit them, Palestinian witnesses said.

They said there were no casualties in the incident in Hebron, in which gunfire was also briefly heard.

An Israeli military spokeswoman had no immediate comment.

cont
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/15/us-palestinian-israel-gunfire-idUSKBN0EQ11S20140615



Israeli Troops Seeking Kidnapped Teens Blast into Hebron Home

Blow Down Door With Explosives — Gunfire Also Heard


Israeli troops scouring a West Bank city for three Israeli teenagers who are believed to have been abducted by Palestinian militants blew down the door of a home with explosives on Sunday after residents did not admit them, Palestinian witnesses said.

They said there were no casualties in the incident in Hebron, in which gunfire was also briefly heard.

An Israeli military spokeswoman had no immediate comment.


cont
http://forward.com/articles/200128/israeli-troops-seeking-kidnapped-teens-blast-into/?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
9. Both reports rely on unnamed sources.
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:23 AM
Jun 2014

Though the Maan sources do name the people inside the house.

Can you give me a reason why one report from "sources" that people took shrapnel injuries when their door was blown open by explosives, is less credible than "sources" saying otherwise?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
10. Really a report from the area that gives names and ages is 'inaccurate'? while
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 01:23 AM
Jun 2014

those outsider the area are in know?

Even ToI confesses there were wounded however it leaves out that they were children

http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-search-for-teens-idf-surrounds-hebron-home-fires-missile/

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