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The IDF is making preparations for the siege of Hebron, as part of a massive manhunt led following the kidnapping of three Israeli teens who disappeared while hitchhiking in the West Bank on Thursday night.
DF forces have loaded concrete barricades on trucks and spread out bulldozers in the city. In addition, Palestinian sources reported Sunday that all the main entrances to the city were blocked by the IDF with concrete blocks.
A senior General Staff source said on Sunday that in terms of professionalism, the kidnapping is of the highest level. According to him, the IDF estimate that the abductees were not transferred to the Gaza Strip or to Sinai, "but we are prepared for that option." He added that "we are employing all the special units and means to locate them.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4530610,00.html
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)government and oh yes I've read what Kerry has been saying too but what he does not say is that we're pulling support
King_David
(14,851 posts)A USA citizen now , hopefully not murdered.
I don't think the USA is going to be able to continue to support that unity government when the terrorist half of that government kidnaps and terrorized US citizens.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but do keep hoping and oh have you been reading the comments on Israeli news sites I have
King_David
(14,851 posts)The only thing I hope is they find the 3 boys alive and rescue them from those monsters .
The rest is irrelevant at this stage .
Mosby
(16,160 posts)When and if elections are held Hamas will have candidates and this silly facade of respectability will be exposed.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Same as the Amerdinejet "mistranslation" mantra... It will go on and on and on until it becomes ridiculous .
Mistranslation !
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Unlike the lies to the contrary. Hamas is not part of the current government. Netanyahu is lying every time he says otherwise, and you are joining in the lie every time you repeat it.
King_David
(14,851 posts)And homophobic pronouncements a mistranslation too?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Seriously, if you can't even get the name right, how is anyone going to buy your claims of verifiable translation?
At any rate, we're talking about Hamas, and Netanyahu's false claims that they're part of the current PA government. Not the ex-preisdent of Iran, who's not relevant to anything in this discussion.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)There's not a single member of Hamas in the current government, David. That's a bald-faced lie that you are knowingly repeating.
Second, despite Netanyahu's desperate grasping for justification to start a new war, the fact is that a separate group has claimed responsibility for these kidnappings. If you're really as interested in the lives of these three kids as you claim - and of course you're not, but if - then you gotta admit, that's a pretty good lead to go on. Especially sincehte only evidence of Hamas involvement semes to be netanyahu going "HAMASHAMASHAMAS!!!!" into a microphone.
And it's a lead that, by all appearances, Israel is ignoring. Now, we don't know what's going on behind the intelligence curtain of course, so, maybe not - let's hope that appearances are deceiving, there. Because ignoring a blatant lead like that of course wastes valuable time needed to recover these teenagers.
King_David
(14,851 posts)if it could.
U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry called for the immediate release of three kidnapped Israeli teens and noted the many indications pointing to Hamas involvement.
In a statement released Sunday afternoon, more than 48 hours after the teens abduction, Kerry said he strongly condemns the kidnapping and reiterated that Hamas is a terrorist organization.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113464228
This was Hamas .
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Dawlat-al-Islam is known to be active in the Hebron areas - Israeli security killed three of them in a raid in November. This is in fact the stated impetus behind these kidnappings. And it fits the MO of the group's affiliates, who have been kidnapping civilians for ransom across Syria and Iraq.
Now, could it be Hamas? Possibly. However it's just not likely. Hamas kidnapping attempts have targeted high-value targets - soldiers. Not random kids. If they were going to do that, they'd have been doing so already. Second, you've got to ask, what purpose would it serve? Honestly, think for a moment, such an act would work against Hamas' current goal of political validity. It makes no sense to just grab three random kids off the street. And if they were so brazen and dumb, well, they'd be taking credit for it.
Dawlat-al-Islam has motive and prior acts, and has no investment in the current political situation. Hamas has no motive, deep investment in current politics, and while it has kidnapped before, it targets a different category of people.
The problem is Dave that this tunnel-vision focus on Hamas basically gives a free pass to any other bunch of lunkhead assholes operating in Israel - Palestine. And that presents a clear danger to the people you pretend to be concerned about.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Nigel: *Awkward silence* ...These go to eleven!"
King_David
(14,851 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The point is, you keep telling me your version of "...these go to eleven!" as if it's meaningful.
I'm well aware of what Kerry said. I'm explaining to you why he's very possibly wrong, and why Netanyahu has a clear interest in such a misdirection. What are the "indications"? What is there to convince me that an organization with no reason to do this, is the more likely culprit than one who DOES have reason, an claims to have done it?
Think you can keep up, pr are you just going to keep telling me about your amps?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Are you from California ?
Is that West coast talk / humor?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm telling you to stop spouting inane meaningless crap at me and say something relevant and informative. Or, at the very least try to do so.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Things were so peaceful here the last 90 days..
Welcome back, I really missed you.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And yeah. Weird how suggesting a misogynist might not be the strongest thinker on the site can lead to that sort of thing Funny how he crashed and burned in under a week, but whatever.
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Three Palestinians were injured late Sunday after the Israeli army bombed open the door of a house in the city of Hebron, locals told Ma'an.
Locals said that Israeli forces in the Ein Deir al-Baha area of the city blew open the door of a house belonging to Akram al-Qawasami, injuring him and two young children.
Al-Qawasami, his eight-year-old son Muhammad, and his young daughter Sujoud sustained shrapnel injuries, the sources said.
Soldiers then raided the house and arrested Zaid Akram al-Qawasami.
The Israeli forces called through a loudspeaker moments before bombing open the door, the sources added.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=705045
Dick Dastardly
(937 posts)Israeli troops blast into Hebron home, no casualties: witnesses
(Reuters) - Israeli troops scouring a West Bank city for three Israeli teenagers who are believed to have been abducted by Palestinian militants blew down the door of a home with explosives on Sunday after residents did not admit them, Palestinian witnesses said.
They said there were no casualties in the incident in Hebron, in which gunfire was also briefly heard.
An Israeli military spokeswoman had no immediate comment.
cont
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/15/us-palestinian-israel-gunfire-idUSKBN0EQ11S20140615
Israeli Troops Seeking Kidnapped Teens Blast into Hebron Home
Blow Down Door With Explosives Gunfire Also Heard
Israeli troops scouring a West Bank city for three Israeli teenagers who are believed to have been abducted by Palestinian militants blew down the door of a home with explosives on Sunday after residents did not admit them, Palestinian witnesses said.
They said there were no casualties in the incident in Hebron, in which gunfire was also briefly heard.
An Israeli military spokeswoman had no immediate comment.
cont
http://forward.com/articles/200128/israeli-troops-seeking-kidnapped-teens-blast-into/?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Though the Maan sources do name the people inside the house.
Can you give me a reason why one report from "sources" that people took shrapnel injuries when their door was blown open by explosives, is less credible than "sources" saying otherwise?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)those outsider the area are in know?
Even ToI confesses there were wounded however it leaves out that they were children
http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-search-for-teens-idf-surrounds-hebron-home-fires-missile/