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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 09:36 PM Jun 2014

Palestinian youth killed during IOF night raid on Jalazone refugee camp

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/12154-palestinian-youth-killed-during-iof-night-raid-on-jalazone-refugee-camp

Since the reported disappearance and claimed kidnapping of 3 young Israeli settlers near Gush Etzion settlement on Friday, Israeli Occupation Forces have been carrying out widespread raids and attacks across the West Bank and have also bombed Gaza. With an intensive arrest campaign underway across the West Bank, it is now reported that at least 150 Palestinians have been arrested since Friday.

Hebron has been heavily attacked during these ongoing invasions and is under almost complete closure with checkpoints surrounding the city. On Sunday night, the IOF continued their raids on the southern city as well as invading Beit Jala and Bethlehem, Ramallah and its refugee camps, and both Nablus and Jenin.

During raids around the Ramallah area, Jalazone refugee camp was attacked overnight. 3 young Palestinians were shot with live bullets during the invasion and one of the youth, 20 year old Ahmad Sabarin, was killed after being shot directly in the chest.

Thousands of Palestinians from the Ramallah area gathered in Jalazone camp for Sabarin's funeral. He was killed, and buried, only one week after being released from the occupation prisons.



The murder of Palestinian teens will not be televised, mentioned or thought about in the MSM world.
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Palestinian youth killed during IOF night raid on Jalazone refugee camp (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 OP
The government is nuts, they proved that to the world during OCL. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #1
Three? What an oddly specific number. nt kjones Jun 2014 #2
Well, that's because I have it on good authority that Palestinian kids never actually get killed... Scootaloo Jun 2014 #3
There are some heartless people out there kjones Jun 2014 #4
It's not allowed on DU.... unless you're aiming it at the "right" groups Scootaloo Jun 2014 #5
This OP is all about the IOF King_David Jun 2014 #6
You're a pretty heartless individual, King. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #7
Maybe Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #10
Maybe the IDF shouldn't be constantly harassing Palestinians then killing them. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #11
So... Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #12
To all DUers reading the above statement... R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #13
Oh really? Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #14
The IDF has killed scores of Palestinians, and the hasbaristas always accept R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #17
Your statement... Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #18
Spare us all the "oh it's irrelevent" bullshit. It's ALL very relevent to what Israel does on a R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #19
Out of curiosity. Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #20
Any article referring to the "IOF" King_David Jun 2014 #8
What's childish, king, is laughing at dead Palestinians. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #9
Which he never did. Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #15
Oh, I care quite a bit about the truth. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #16
Funny. Shaktimaan Jun 2014 #21
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
3. Well, that's because I have it on good authority that Palestinian kids never actually get killed...
Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:48 PM
Jun 2014

At least, that's what a poster or three told me on Democratic Underground.

kjones

(1,053 posts)
4. There are some heartless people out there
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 08:43 PM
Jun 2014

not only that, some of their posts border (or just are) conspiracy crap.
I thought that wasn't something that was allowed around here (DU).
Not that I haven't seen plenty of it.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
7. You're a pretty heartless individual, King.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 09:28 PM
Jun 2014

Yet another Palestinian kid is dead at the hands of the IDF and you're laughing?

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
10. Maybe
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:04 AM
Jun 2014

That kid shouldn't have attacked the soldiers with a brick. It might have been related to his death I think.

Looks like the op didn't think it was relevant.

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
12. So...
Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:31 PM
Jun 2014

How exactly did they harass this man who attacked them with a brick and was subsequently shot? Because right now it sounds like the IDF killed a non-soldier combatant legally, in self defense. A position you are, quite unbelievably, defending. In fact you even called it murder.

I wonder... Would it be murder if some Palestinians defended themselves against a settler attacking them with a brick?

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
13. To all DUers reading the above statement...
Sat Jun 21, 2014, 10:04 AM
Jun 2014

In the hasbarista world it is lawful for the IDF to constantly harass the Palestinians no matter where they are and then kill them when they stand up to the aggression. It apparently is also customary for the IDF to stand idly by as illegal Israeli settlers attack Palestinians then detain the Palestinian victims.

You may have also noticed, my fellow DUers, that in the hasbarista world Israelis throwing stones at the IDF is met with restraint, but Palestinians throwing stones at the IDF is met with lethal force.

Thank you for your farcical reply, shak. It was worth the laugh.

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
14. Oh really?
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:23 AM
Jun 2014

So this is merely a case of an innocent palestinian "standing up" to harassment by Israeli soldiers?

Pray tell exactly how was this man being harassed that necessitated him "standing up" for himself by attacking a soldier with a brick? Because I haven't heard a thing thus far that detailed the incident as you describe. Actually it sounds like you're making up a narrative in order to support your belief that this man was murdered in cold blood for no reason other than his being a palestinian.

But by all means, show me where you discovered that he was just "standing up to harassment."

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
17. The IDF has killed scores of Palestinians, and the hasbaristas always accept
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:33 PM
Jun 2014

the party line that they had it coming.

I rather feel sick hearing the same thing over and over from the justifiable homicide crowd.

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
18. Your statement...
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 11:51 PM
Jun 2014

Is not only wrong (and prejudicial), it is irrelevant to our discussion. We are debating a single event, and the details surrounding it. Even if every palestinian death that preceded this one had been unprovoked and illegal it would still have no bearing on the specifics of this instance.

It seems that you've chosen the opposite of your own accusation. That any death caused by the IDF MUST have been unjustifiable murder. I understand your reluctance to discuss this example on its merits. You have no information to support your assumption that this man was killed in cold blood for no reason. That he was "standing up" to senseless harassment. That he was murdered by IDF thugs. But in reality the information we have points to a different reality. You could possibly argue that the soldiers overreacted and that live bullets were unnecessary. Which is entirely possible. But to ignore the basic facts that he attacked those soldiers with a brick; that he instigated the incident which resulted in his own death; that would be to ignore reality.

You believe "hasbarists" ALWAYS think the palestinian had it coming. Does that then mean that you believe they are NEVER culpable?

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
19. Spare us all the "oh it's irrelevent" bullshit. It's ALL very relevent to what Israel does on a
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 12:12 AM
Jun 2014

very regular basis: while hasbarists turn a blind eye and pretend it isn't relevant.

You can't separate the gross use of lethal force on one population while another one gets the velvet glove.

Please stop with the farcical water carrying for the IDF please. The fact remains that the IDF uses a very lethal amount of force against the Palestinians, and for you to attempt, just for this one instance, to make all other cases unprovoked and illegal..."but not this one" shows your desperation to give the IDF a pat on the back for a hard days raid.

The pablum that you have decided to visit on DU that the Palestinian had it coming or that the IDF did the right thing just illustrates how far you will go to protect the brand.

"But in reality the information we have points to a different reality."


It sure does, shak, IDF propaganda.

You believe "hasbarists" ALWAYS think the palestinian had it coming.


My dear, shak, that's what hasbarists do.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
8. Any article referring to the "IOF"
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 09:52 PM
Jun 2014

Needs cross reference as it can not be reliable or accurate. Besides being childish .

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
9. What's childish, king, is laughing at dead Palestinians.
Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:18 PM
Jun 2014

What's worse is questioning if they died at all.

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