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Related: About this forumPalestinian youth killed during IOF night raid on Jalazone refugee camp
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/12154-palestinian-youth-killed-during-iof-night-raid-on-jalazone-refugee-campHebron has been heavily attacked during these ongoing invasions and is under almost complete closure with checkpoints surrounding the city. On Sunday night, the IOF continued their raids on the southern city as well as invading Beit Jala and Bethlehem, Ramallah and its refugee camps, and both Nablus and Jenin.
During raids around the Ramallah area, Jalazone refugee camp was attacked overnight. 3 young Palestinians were shot with live bullets during the invasion and one of the youth, 20 year old Ahmad Sabarin, was killed after being shot directly in the chest.
Thousands of Palestinians from the Ramallah area gathered in Jalazone camp for Sabarin's funeral. He was killed, and buried, only one week after being released from the occupation prisons.
The murder of Palestinian teens will not be televised, mentioned or thought about in the MSM world.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)kjones
(1,053 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)kjones
(1,053 posts)not only that, some of their posts border (or just are) conspiracy crap.
I thought that wasn't something that was allowed around here (DU).
Not that I haven't seen plenty of it.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Yet another Palestinian kid is dead at the hands of the IDF and you're laughing?
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)That kid shouldn't have attacked the soldiers with a brick. It might have been related to his death I think.
Looks like the op didn't think it was relevant.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)How exactly did they harass this man who attacked them with a brick and was subsequently shot? Because right now it sounds like the IDF killed a non-soldier combatant legally, in self defense. A position you are, quite unbelievably, defending. In fact you even called it murder.
I wonder... Would it be murder if some Palestinians defended themselves against a settler attacking them with a brick?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)In the hasbarista world it is lawful for the IDF to constantly harass the Palestinians no matter where they are and then kill them when they stand up to the aggression. It apparently is also customary for the IDF to stand idly by as illegal Israeli settlers attack Palestinians then detain the Palestinian victims.
You may have also noticed, my fellow DUers, that in the hasbarista world Israelis throwing stones at the IDF is met with restraint, but Palestinians throwing stones at the IDF is met with lethal force.
Thank you for your farcical reply, shak. It was worth the laugh.
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)So this is merely a case of an innocent palestinian "standing up" to harassment by Israeli soldiers?
Pray tell exactly how was this man being harassed that necessitated him "standing up" for himself by attacking a soldier with a brick? Because I haven't heard a thing thus far that detailed the incident as you describe. Actually it sounds like you're making up a narrative in order to support your belief that this man was murdered in cold blood for no reason other than his being a palestinian.
But by all means, show me where you discovered that he was just "standing up to harassment."
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)the party line that they had it coming.
I rather feel sick hearing the same thing over and over from the justifiable homicide crowd.
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)Is not only wrong (and prejudicial), it is irrelevant to our discussion. We are debating a single event, and the details surrounding it. Even if every palestinian death that preceded this one had been unprovoked and illegal it would still have no bearing on the specifics of this instance.
It seems that you've chosen the opposite of your own accusation. That any death caused by the IDF MUST have been unjustifiable murder. I understand your reluctance to discuss this example on its merits. You have no information to support your assumption that this man was killed in cold blood for no reason. That he was "standing up" to senseless harassment. That he was murdered by IDF thugs. But in reality the information we have points to a different reality. You could possibly argue that the soldiers overreacted and that live bullets were unnecessary. Which is entirely possible. But to ignore the basic facts that he attacked those soldiers with a brick; that he instigated the incident which resulted in his own death; that would be to ignore reality.
You believe "hasbarists" ALWAYS think the palestinian had it coming. Does that then mean that you believe they are NEVER culpable?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)very regular basis: while hasbarists turn a blind eye and pretend it isn't relevant.
You can't separate the gross use of lethal force on one population while another one gets the velvet glove.
Please stop with the farcical water carrying for the IDF please. The fact remains that the IDF uses a very lethal amount of force against the Palestinians, and for you to attempt, just for this one instance, to make all other cases unprovoked and illegal..."but not this one" shows your desperation to give the IDF a pat on the back for a hard days raid.
The pablum that you have decided to visit on DU that the Palestinian had it coming or that the IDF did the right thing just illustrates how far you will go to protect the brand.
It sure does, shak, IDF propaganda.
My dear, shak, that's what hasbarists do.
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)Exactly what is a "hasbarist" iyo?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Needs cross reference as it can not be reliable or accurate. Besides being childish .
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)What's worse is questioning if they died at all.
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)Not that you care about little things like truth or accuracy.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)You should try it some time.
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)Can you point out an example of me being dishonest? I'd love to see it.