anyone approving of what the PCUSA did with the KKK and David Duke, it could appear that way

see for example of guilt by association post with in the past couple of hours

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113464702#post4

I remember reading about an American group in the past that used that technique too, it was called HUAC or something like that

The former KKK grand wizard doesn't show affection for any mere critic of Israel. He's quite picky. He loves the extremely hostile OTT "critics".

anyone agreeing with the PCUSA divesting from American companies with David Duke and the KKK?

PCUSA crossed a line, and THAT is precisely why Duke is praising them. David Duke got his rocks off on Zionism Unsettled, which is still being pimped at PCUSA's website despite the fact PCUSA has acknowledged the pamphlet is offensive/insensitive to Jews...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=65028

The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) voted Thursday to allow pastors to marry same-sex couples in states where it is legal.

The church also voted, by an overwhelming majority, to change the language about marriage in the church constitution to "two persons" from a "man and a woman," according to More Light Presbyterians, a group that supports gay rights.

To take effect, that change would need to be approved by a majority of 172 local presbyteries, which have a year to vote, the church said in a statement.
Church changes its marriage definition

However, starting Saturday, pastors can go ahead and begin marrying same-sex couples in the states that allow it, according to Toya Richards Jackson, a church spokeswoman.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/19/us/presbyterian-church-same-sex-marriage/

say about it?

somehow I'm thinking not

...with IPMN's Zionism Unsettled, for reasons given in the link, then surely you'd agree Jews just might have a legitimate gripe?

okay then

of the Presbyterian Church? Do they have to take back their legitimate actions
on a state that refuses to make a deal with the Palestinians for a viable state?

The circle of extremism and bigotry intersects from extremist right and extremist left .


That's why the Democratic Party principles are what they are and you would be hard pressed to find a rep of this party supporting the action of the Presbyterian church and David Duke.

distinction for their divestment from BDS, no one will notice that you are conflating
them with David Duke?

Empty excuses and shameful smear tactics.

And as an observer and someone who is a target of the bigotry I must agree.

have chosen to ignore that. Irrelevant what he says to associate himself, he
knows he has no credibility.

Your attempts to smear the church is despicable.

They managing to smear themselves very well. Some people with the same ideological bent as David Duke have hijacked their agenda.
And the rest of the church is being dragged along for the ride.

BDS, but you'll ignore that so you can continue to falsely portray them as
sharing a David Duke alliance.

Got it..poor smear tactics...but carry on.

Some people in the church who share an agenda with David Duke are undoing ties with the Jewish community that have been bridged and nurtured and now almost broken .

Are all our Jewish leaders wrong?

Or do you think "Jewish Voices of peace" are out leaders?

the church equates them with David Duke?

By a few bigoted members of the Presbyterian church who share the same ideologies as David Duke about Israel and the Jews.

are equating the actions of the church with David Duke?

Any disagreements and or objections to the church position is one thing, what your
claiming needs quotes and a link to support.

Jewish leaders have condemned there action vociferously .

Can you explain what the difference in ideology between David Duke and those who voted for this odious bigoted action is.

David Duke seems to think they have the same ideology especially wrt Jews , Israel , BDS etc and now your saying he's wrong ?

LOL

When and if you do, post it.

alliance you claimed about David Duke and the church.

His name is not mentioned nor implied in the OP..but it does tell me that those groups
who are upset with the church have not equated their actions with Duke..but this is
your spin.

When you have something conclusive, link it.

Until then, I am sure you'll continue to spin.

He has endorsed the action and believes in what they believe.

What you do have is your spin..it works something like this:

David Duke likes pizza, the church likes pizza, therefore the church
is an anti semetic body..just like Duke.

WRT Israel and the Jews.

If only it were just pizza.

link it.

Almost all Jewish leaders have condemned this odious bigoted action by the Presbyterian church's decision.
Some people have commended this display of bigotry .

Until then you have a group who has not done what you assert to be true.

They may feel that way as you do..smearing people with false accusations against
a belligerent state, who has a leader that would not concede one damn inch of
land to the Palestinians, but they have not stated as such.



Here is the text from the church:

04-04 On Supporting Middle East Peacemaking—From the Presbytery of New Covenant.
Source: Presbytery Event: 221st General Assembly (2014)



The PC(USA) has a long standing commitment to peace in Israel and Palestine. We recognize the complexity of the issues, the decades-long struggle, the pain suffered and inflicted by policies and practices of both the Israeli government and Palestinian entities. We further acknowledge and confess our own complicity in both the historic and current suffering of Israeli and Palestinian yearning for justice and reconciliation, the 221st General Assembly (2014) recommends the following:

"[1. Reaffirm Israel’s right to exist as a sovereign nation within secure and internationally recognized borders in accordance with the United Nations resolutions.]

"[1.][2.] Declare its commitment to a [negotiated] two-state solution [(two states for two peoples)] in which a secure and universally recognized State of Israel lives alongside a free, viable, and secure state for the Palestinian people.

"[2.][3.] Reject any proposed divestment and economic sanctions against the state of Israel or any application of the PC(USA)’s corporate engagement policies toward such ends.] [Instruct the Presbyterian Foundation and the Board of Pensions of the PC(U.S.A.), to divest from Caterpillar, Inc., Hewlett-Packard, and Motorola Solutions, in accord with our church’s decades-long socially responsible investment (SRI) history, and not to reinvest in these companies until the Mission Responsibility Through Investment Committee of the PC(USA) is fully satisfied that product sales and services by these companies are no longer in conflict with our church investment policy. This action on divestment does not mean an alignment with the overall strategy is not to be construed or represented by any organization of the PC(USA) as divestment from the State of Israel, or an alignment with or endorsement of the global BDS (Boycott, Divest and Sanctions) movement.]

"[3.][4.] Reaffirm PC(USA)’s commitment to interfaith dialog and partnerships with the American Jewish, Muslim friends and Palestinian Christians and call for all presbyteries and congregations within the PC(USA) to include interfaith dialogue and relationship-building as part of their own engagement in working for a just peace.

"[4.][5.] Call for all foreign aid given by the U.S. government—including aid to Israel and the Palestinian Authority—to be comprehensively and transparently accounted to the American people and held to the same standards of compliance with all applicable laws.

"[5.][6.] Call for church advocacy for foreign-aid accountability to be directed toward its universal adherence rather than targeted for selective application to some recipients and not others.

"[6.][7.] Encourage Presbyterians to travel to the Holy Land, and give broad support to the Christian, [Jewish, and Muslim] communities throughout the Middle East.

"[7.][8.] Affirm the importance of economic measures and cooperation between Israelis and Palestinians that support and advance a negotiated two-state solution. [To that end, the 221st General Assembly (2014) does not endorse boycotts of Israeli or Palestinian products.]

"[8.][9.] Urge all church institutions to give careful consideration to possible investments in Israel-Palestine that advance peace and improve the lives of Palestinians and Israelis."

http://pc-biz.org/PC-Biz.WebApp_deploy/%28S%28exfyju1toiyljm15xfgy1gn3%29%29/IOBView.aspx?m=ro&id=4595

You should be embarrassed to make such false claims against them...spin away and have fun.

Here is how different they are compared to the BDS movement:

9 July 2005

http://www.bdsmovement.net/call

Reviews were good too but supper was lousy .


Relevance is the same.

The effect is devastating,” Ethan Felson, Jewish Council on Public Affairs vice president and general counsel, told The Jewish Week Sunday, referring to future ties between Jews and Presbyterians at the national level. He added that “there is a dramatic divide between the pews and the national denomination.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113464877

Jews.

1. There's the tract "Zionism Unsettled". J-Street in no way supports the occupation or settlements and is vehemently opposed to the Netanyahu government, but here's what they had to say about PCUSA's "Zionism Unsettled":

If Israel didn't act like the apartheid state that it is BDS and the Presbyterians wouldn't be a blip on the radar.

For a movement that you say has so little clout you spend an awful lot of time slandering them.

What do you make of the PCUSA trying to distance itself (at least somewhat) from the anti-Jewish "Zionism Unsettled", which Duke praised?

How about PCUSA calling on the ADL to suspend its work fighting antisemitism until they address the Palestinian problem first?

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No comment, right?

Most Jews and every mainstream Jewish group out there see BDS as a bigoted cause.

Israeli apartheid and act to change things then there will be no need for BDS.

Until that time their offense over sanctions and divestment is the same as South Africans when they were offended by the tools that led to freedom in S.A.

But they do have problems with bigoted, hostile demonization.

And that's BDS in a nutshell.

When a minority ethnic group is unified in identifying bigotry against their group, then that's exactly what it is and that bigotry needs to stop. You disagree? You believe you know what anti-Jewish bigotry is better than Jews themselves?

...as offensive and bigoted. When ethnic minorities are unified in their definitions of bigotry and hatred, it's not controversial. So why do you believe BDS is okay when the vast majority of Jews (and all mainstream Jewish groups) are offended by it?

The same cannot be said for Jewish leftwingers and liberals when the vast majority of them oppose BDS and find it bigoted. They believe Israeli apartheid is libelous.

When an ethnic minority finds something to be bigoted, you feel you know better than they do and that it's not necessarily bigoted? Is that it? Do you feel the same about any other ethnic minority that calls out bigotry when it shouldn't?

that it isn't.

And who are you to speak for all of the Jews?

do you think or depend on no one looking at your links?

It is hard not to feel sorry for Heath Rada, the newly elected moderator of the Presbyterian Church (USA). He just got himself elected to one of the most important posts in a very troubled institution and now he has to defend its actions.
Right after the General Assembly of his denomination met in Detroit and approved an overture that instructs his denomination to sell $21 million worth of stock in companies whose products are used by the Israeli government, he appeared on CNN and was asked some pretty direct questions by journalists who miraculously enough, were intent on doing their job!
Rada had a very difficult time responding.
Not only was Rada challenged by his hosts on CNN about the wisdom of the decision to divest from companies that do business with Israel, he was challenged over the sale of some ugly propaganda on PC(USA)’s website.
Rada had to know he was in trouble when he was challenged on the wisdom of divesting from companies whose products are used by Israel. “Do you really think that you’ve become a peacemaker by alienating Jews here in America and those receiving your message in Israel?”
Rada bumbled through this question by stating that “many of the people with whom I have had personal conversations with recognize that we care deeply [about Presbyterian-Jewish relations]…” It’s a laughable assertion refuted by Rabbi Rick Jacobs later in the video who said that the vast majority of American Jews – whom he represents – were offended by the divestment vote. (Yet another example of a Christian leader trying to anoint the leaders of the Jewish community in the U.S. It happens a lot.)

http://blog.camera.org/archives/2014/06/pcusas_new_moderator_unsettled_1.html

should follow their lead. That said, David Duke is a pig. This post is a shameless attempt to smear good people who love Israel but hate their illegal occupation as anti-semites.

Since so and so is for it, if you are for it, you are just like so and so. Grade school stuff.

Like mostly everyone supporting the Presbyterians, I couldn't care less what Duke is for or against. I know the Israeli occupation is cruel, corrupt and illegal.

perfectly legal.

It is the settlements that are illegal.

That really is the guilt by association argument fallacy. Sure, it means that people should look twice at this, but that isn't the same as proving that it's antisemitic.