Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumUS prevents UN condemnation of Israel over West Bank deaths
UNITED NATIONS (AP) The UN Security Council failed to agree on a statement that would have deplored the deaths of Palestinians in Israeli operations following the abduction of three Israeli teenagers.
Diplomats said Jordan insisted that deploring wasnt strong enough and US Ambassador Samantha Power said any language directly criticizing Israel would be a red line for the Americans. The diplomats spoke on condition of anonymity because the consultations were closed.
Since the youths disappeared from a hitchhiking stop in the southern West Bank on June 12, Israel has rounded up hundreds of Palestinians in a bid to find them, while also crushing the West Bank network of Islamist movement Hamas, which it accuses of abducting the teens.
Troops have also killed four Palestinians in raids in the past week, and on Monday the United Nations called the deaths in the security sweep alarming.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/un-fails-to-condemn-palestinian-deaths-in-west-bank-raids/
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)tsk tsk, Palestinians..fear not..your friends in the US have got your back.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)a study n same as it ever was
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)...in the civilized world that took issue with the UN's vile, antisemitic rapporteur for the Palestinian territories, Richard Falk. Falk served his full term for the UN despite many justified calls to have him removed.
In fact, the USA is one of the only countries that has a problem with countries like Syria being elected to serve on the UN's human rights commission in 2011 - well into the period when Syria started its recent atrocities. Just a few months ago, Syria was re-elected as Rapporteur of the UN Special Committee on Decolonization. The UN Human Rights Council also just adopted a resolution about Syrian Human Rights in the Golan that was drafted by Syria itself.
The UN has zero credibility when it comes to lecturing western democracies about human rights.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)....of how broken the UN is when it comes to human rights.
I don't see how any good person could support the UN's record on human rights.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)in the process. It really doesn't have much of a moral leg to stand on WRT to human rights and questioning the UN.
shira
(30,109 posts)...and other vile regimes on its human rights council, then there's no point in us discussing the issue of human rights.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)That's his idea of human rights.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)no problem with you either.
shira
(30,109 posts)As for Duke, he hates Jewish Zionists an awful lot. We're pretty much enemy #1 to him.
You didn't know that?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)...by UNESCO to its human rights committee.
In February 2014, Syria was unanimously elected again as Rapporteur of the UN special committee on decolonization.
In March 2014, the UNHRC adopted a resolution about Human Rights in the Golan, drafted by Syria itself.
In April 2014, Iran was elected to a 4 year term to a commission on the status of women.
About the same time, "the UN Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) in New York today elected Iran to a four-year term on its 45-nation Commission on the Status of Women, the principal intergovernmental body dedicated to protecting women's rights."
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)You don't seem to understand how these countries get these positions, I left
a link..read up on each region and how voting works.
shira
(30,109 posts)...groups they sit on. You cannot honestly believe that human rights councils with these countries calling the shots have any credibility, can you?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)to hold them accountable..encouraging their participation.
Many countries fail at human rights, not only countries within the ME.
shira
(30,109 posts)...accountable when Israel has more resolutions against it than all other nations combined.
Why on earth would you support having the world's worst rights violators playing their games on human rights councils?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)those who sit on it is in effect to encourage them to police themselves too.
It is easy to police the world? You're kidding right? Israel is not held accountable
due to the US influence and you're going to complain about the politics that
protects other countries you don't like?
shira
(30,109 posts)Not by a longshot.
And you have no problem with the way the UN handles human rights.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Try and look at it this way, possibly...policing the world is not a simple task, encouraging
and promoting human rights can be complicated...this is just one institution. So it is
not about whether or not I have a problem with the way they govern themselves.
Some human rights problems can't be fixed in a simple manner...some can't be fixed at all.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and as accusing Israel of every possible and impossible crime but a 3 minute investigation shows that only 4 of the mentioned states are actually current UNHRC members, interesting to say the least
snip posted on DU
One after the other, the representatives of the enlightened states, known for their impassioned fight for freedom of man and human rights, stood up to attack the three Israeli women. The representatives of Syria, Iran, Qatar, Egypt, Turkey, Morocco, Russia, China, Cuba, and of course Palestine, stood up to accuse Israel of every possible and impossible crime against the rights of the Arabs in general and the Palestinian people in particular....
(current members underlined
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4534306,00.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113465115
List of current UNHRC members
AFRICAN STATES
Algeria (2016)
Benin (2014)
Botswana (2014)
Burkina Faso (2014)
Congo (2014)
Côte dIvoire (2015)
Ethiopia (2015)
Gabon (2015)
Kenya (2015)
Morocco (2016)
Namibia (2016)
Sierra Leone (2015)
South Africa (2016)
LATIN AMERICAN & CARIBBEAN STATES
Argentina (2015)
Brazil (2015)
Chile (2014)
Costa Rica (2014)
Cuba (2016)
Mexico (2016)
Peru (2014)
Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) (2015)
ASIA-PACIFIC STATES
China (2016)
India (2014)
Indonesia (2014)
Japan (2015)
Kazakhstan (2015)
Kuwait (2014)
Maldives (2016)
Pakistan (2015)
Philippines (2014)
Republic of Korea (2015)
Saudi Arabia (2016)
United Arab Emirates (2015)
Viet Nam (2016)
WESTERN EUROPE & OTHER STATES
Austria (2014)
France (2016)
Germany (2015)
Ireland (2015)
Italy (2014)
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern
Ireland (2016)
United States of America (2015)
EASTERN EUROPEAN STATES
Czech Republic (2014)
Estonia (2015)
Montenegro (2015)
Romania (2014)
Russian Federation (2016)
The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (2016)
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/Pages/MembersByGroup.aspx
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Ha ha ha ha
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)That's just my opinion, but I really don't believe in any way you are representative of progressive and peaceful ideals. In that way he (Duke) probably can use people like you when you fly off the handle with your hate-filled diatribes.
As for the rest it appears that Jefferson has answered that one.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Published:
23 Jun 2014
The intention to demolish the family home of the two Palestinians charged with the killing of Baruch Mizrahi means adopting an official policy of harming the innocent, stated Israeli human rights NGO B'Tselem. The two suspects will be tried for the attack, and are expected to be sentenced to long periods of detention. Their family members, who are not suspected of any offence, are the ones who will suffer the loss of their home: 13 people are currently living in the house, including 8 children.
in full: http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20140623_renewal_of_punitive_house_demolitions
And the world knows it, too.
Violet_Crumble
(35,954 posts)From the article: 'US Ambassador Samantha Power said any language directly criticizing Israel would be a red line for the Americans'
Seriously? I wish they'd learn things like doing the right thing and criticising friends when they need criticising.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Good to see you, Violet.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)on his behalf Tuesday? What do you think her purpose was?
http://www.timesofisrael.com/rachel-fraenkel-its-wrong-to-use-boys-as-instrument-of-struggle/
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it will answer your questions
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Do you have a problem allowing these women to advocate for their kids?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)why would the mother in this case Rachel Fraenkle chose what is reputedly the most antiIsrael group within the UN to speak out on her sons plight, especially when there are far more sympathetic not to mention powerful groups within the UN that she could have chosen?
I believe I stated that question in my original comment here
shira
(30,109 posts)I'd go to the UNHRC too.
Unfortunately the reaction to Fraenkle was predictable:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113465115
Do u approve of the way the UNHRC responded to her?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)so much so that I wondered why she chose that group in particular, and really I have little opinion about their response other than that, oh BTW did you know a second elderly Palestinian has died of a heart attack caused by an IDF raid on their home?
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=707937
and 6 Palestinian youths have been killed by IDF in Operation Brothers Keeper gee what's your opinion on those deaths?
shira
(30,109 posts)That's pretty bad.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)now if your definition of condone is that I did not condemn that in and of it self speaks volumes
shira
(30,109 posts)...when they responded to Mrs. Fraenkel. I asked u about them and u threw their arguments right back at me. What they did was highly offensive and all I'm looking for from you is acknowledgment of that fact.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)your becoming rather illogical here
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)while along side that accusations hit a high
shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)But all I really do is point out the lies of the hasbaristas as they carry the water for the apartheid state.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)which she claims means I condone what the UNHRC did, actually something that predictable isn't worthy of either praise or condemnation and dead Palestinians just do not matter that much I guess
also there's the little teensy fact that her OP names 10 countries as guilty of accusing Israel of things not possible but a quick Google search found that only 4 of those countries are current UNHRC members. so I really can not take the OP's claims too seriously
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=65314
King_David
(14,851 posts)And ?
What you talking about ?