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Israeli planes pounded Gaza late Tuesday night, in a retaliatory strike after several rockets were shot at southern Israel hours earlier. A Palestinian medical official said a 3-year-old girl in the Gaza Strip was accidentally killed by one of the rockets that apparently misfired when launched toward Israel.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-jets-bomb-gaza-after-rocket-fire/#ixzz35bbXqqOK
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King_David
(14,851 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)PLO officers use live ammo against palestinians youth hurling rocks in Ramallah. 21/6/14
The tension between the PLO and the palestinians is rising as Abu Mazen sides with Israel in search of the three kidnapped Israeli boys and demands their return..
There are more and more clashes each day, as palestinian youth is driven by Hamas to fight against the PLO "traitors"..
I'm kind of amazed no one said anything about it and that they are actually working with us Israelis..
** Commentators say that Abu Mazen feels betraid by Hamas and thus working with us more than ever.. they also say that the Palestinian union govt' is about to be dismantle as Abbas threatens himself..
** A few high ranked members in the PLO are protesting against Abu Mazen like Rajib Rajub while others are condeming Hamas for their actions and their call to destabilize the west bank towards a third Intifada..
Interesting times - definitely a test for the PLO against Hamas.
Via NRG - See more at: http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=6de_1403454001#sthash.FttOgwFQ.dpuf
shira
(30,109 posts)But when Palestinians fire live ammo at young Palestinian rock-throwers...
Silence.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)"Occupation " than the civilized.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Published:
23 Jun 2014
The intention to demolish the family home of the two Palestinians charged with the killing of Baruch Mizrahi means adopting an official policy of harming the innocent, stated Israeli human rights NGO B'Tselem. The two suspects will be tried for the attack, and are expected to be sentenced to long periods of detention. Their family members, who are not suspected of any offence, are the ones who will suffer the loss of their home: 13 people are currently living in the house, including 8 children.
Years ago, the army concluded that punitive home demolitions are not an effective measure to deter attacks against Israelis, and there are even indications that they achieve the opposite effect. It seems therefore that the motives are reaping revenge and politically capitalizing on the current public mood in Israel, in light of the abduction. This draconian measure was not utilized for almost ten years, except for one case in 2009:
http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20140623_renewal_of_punitive_house_demolitions
King_David
(14,851 posts)I meant they consider ALL of Israel occupied.
shira
(30,109 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)And where are the Human Rights posers now arguing that what Hamas fires into Israel are harmless bottle rockets?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)The Israeli government has adopted an official policy of harming the innocent
Published:
23 Jun 2014
The intention to demolish the family home of the two Palestinians charged with the killing of Baruch Mizrahi means adopting an official policy of harming the innocent, stated Israeli human rights NGO B'Tselem. The two suspects will be tried for the attack, and are expected to be sentenced to long periods of detention. Their family members, who are not suspected of any offence, are the ones who will suffer the loss of their home: 13 people are currently living in the house, including 8 children.
Years ago, the army concluded that punitive home demolitions are not an effective measure to deter attacks against Israelis, and there are even indications that they achieve the opposite effect. It seems therefore that the motives are reaping revenge and politically capitalizing on the current public mood in Israel, in light of the abduction. This draconian measure was not utilized for almost ten years, except for one case in 2009:
http://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20140623_renewal_of_punitive_house_demolitions
shira
(30,109 posts)Her death is apparently an acceptable consequence of "legitimate" armed resistance by the freedom fighting revolutionary leftwing progressives of Hamas who legitimately oppose Israel's 6 million zionist colonial settler implants from NYC living in Ashkelon, Tel Aviv, Haifa, and W.Jerusalem.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)...accountable for this 3 year old girl's death?
Are they on vacation? Why the silence?
Maybe they just don't give a crap unless Israel can be blamed. Nice human rights groups there. Real classy.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)websites. Maybe they do not realize they need to get this info out there as soon
as possible for people like you who disregard all their work on the brutal occupation,
regardless.
You crack me up.
shira
(30,109 posts)Lemme know when you find one of your favorite "credible" human rights orgs condemning Hamas for this.
There's no question they'd be all over Israel within hours if Israel could be blamed. You and I both know that damned well.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)What you would prefer, understandably, is to see a score
sheet..where the abuses are racked up against Hamas and Israel
shines on as the innocent victim. Israel has the military power, and the political power,
and they abuse it, each day.
HRW, AI, B'Tselem will undoubtedly disappoint people with your point of view.
shira
(30,109 posts)...on Hamas warcrimes like these. There's no reason Hamas shouldn't be held accountable for this or any other crimes against humanity they commit against fellow Palestinians, nevermind Israelis.
Unfortunately, this is how the UN Human Rights Council works as well when they condemn Israel far more than all other nations combined. Or when they put Syria and Iran on human rights councils.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)There's a video out showing how Hamas brags about human shields, but HRW and AI ignore it and allow Hamas to continue with impunity.
You can't seriously believe they report "all of it".
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Their reports always list crimes by Hamas.
If there is a video drummed up by CAMERA and all those other questionable sources you use,
know that human rights groups do not need to refute every dumb claim.
shira
(30,109 posts)http://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20121115_gaza_operation
http://www.bitterlemons.org/previous/bl230209ed8.html#isr2
Goldstone denied Hamas human shielding.
So did AI and HRW.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)so here it is including the part you posted
As was the case four years ago, Israeli officials are now using the conduct of Palestinian organizations to justify harm to Palestinian civilians. The military has committed itself to doing its utmost to minimize harm to civilians. However it also emphasized that it is not responsible for harm inflicted to civilians.
However, this position is fundamentally flawed. The fact that Hamas combatants and other organizations operate contrary to the law does not automatically justify Israeli actions that harm civilians. The fact that one side violates the law does not give the other side the right to violate it as well. Israel is still bound by the duty – legal and moral – to use all the means at its disposal to minimize as much as possible harm to civilians, despite Hamas' illegal conduct.
During Operation Cast Lead, the Israeli military ignored this principle. B'Tselem cautions against the possibility that it will ignore it in the current operation as well, in order to justify harm to the civilian population. Therefore, and based on the lessons of the previous operation, B'Tselem wishes to emphasize some basic rules by which the military must operate, in keeping with commitments undertaken by the State of Israel:
It is absolutely forbidden to deliberately harm civilians, all the more so when they are carrying white flags or showing any other signs of surrender. To avoid such incidents the military must ensure that forces in the field inform one another when they have ordered civilians to move from one location to another or when they have ordered them to congregate in one area.
Prior to any attack where there is a concern that civilians will be harmed, the military must warn civilians who are in harm's way in a way that would allow them to protect themselves. The military claims it does this, by dispersing leaflets and making phone calls, but this is not sufficient: civilians must be given enough time to evacuate their houses and they are to be provided a safe evacuation route and a protected place.
Soldiers are forbidden to use Palestinian civilians as human shields to protect themselves from possible harm. Under the same principle, soldiers are not allowed to order civilians to check suspicious objects or structures, to mediate between soldiers and armed Palestinians or to walk in front of soldiers in the street.
It is strictly forbidden to deliberately harm civilian objects – including government buildings, power plants, food sources and water, electricity and sewage infrastructure. If infrastructure was damaged, it must be allowed to be fixed as soon as possible.
The military must appoint people whose job it is to address urgent problems, including evacuating the wounded or sick, rescuing people from under wreckage and transferring food and water to civilians. These people must be available to residents of Gaza and their contact information must be disseminated.
It must be made clear to soldiers that they are to allow free movement to medical teams and strictly refrain from firing at them. In exceptional cases, if the need arises, it is possible to perform security checks, but medical assistance must not be delayed in a way that will hurt the wounded and sick.
In densely populated areas, the military must not use imprecise weapons – such as mortar fire and flechette shells - as these are liable to harm civilians and civilian objects. The use of phosphorus shells is strictly prohibited.
Protection of civilians stands at the heart of international humanitarian law. They must never be targeted; all measures must be taken to protect them. B'Tselem demands that the Israeli government respect these principles at all times and under all circumstances.
http://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20121115_gaza_operation
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Well founded concerns is not evidence Hamas engaged in using human shields for OCL...they make this clear and
why the others, like Goldstone agreed.
Hiding of weapons in mosques and other civilian areas and extrajudicial executions, firing rockets at Israeli communities.
Again, B'Tselem is making clear what they found evidence for during OCL.
You just proved yourself incorrect.
shira
(30,109 posts)Your continued denial of all that is obvious is noted, however.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I already clarified for you, your misuse of their statements..you think they're
so handicapped with their use of language they can't be clear?
You crack me up.
On edit: Sorry, I was wrong..I see what you are talking about. in #27.
You are referring to a statement I over looked.
shira
(30,109 posts)...while the UN, AI, and HRW denied it.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I was wrong earlier, and it has been some time since OCL.
I will post about the findings from the other groups tomorrow, spanning the
reign of Hamas.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)the Operation Pillar of Defense.
The report B'Tselem released on OCL, does not report specifics to Hamas and human shields
but they do state they feel there should be further investigations into their activities during
that time period.
* Hamas's practice of operating within Palestinian civilian communities undoubtedly affects the legality of Israel's attacks that caused civilian casualties. This, however, does not legitimize every military action during the operation, nor does it prove that Hamas bears sole responsibility for all the harm to civilians.
* Among other things, B'Tselem thought that the report's criticism did not reflect the severity of the breaches committed by Hamas combatants and that the claim as to Israel's primary goal in conducting the operation was not sufficiently investigated. However, B'Tselem accepted the main recommendation of the report: Israel, as well as Hamas, must investigate the suspicions that they acted in contravention of the law.
http://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/castlead_operation
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)caused by other Palestinians in this table here in fact B'tselem reports that 56 deaths in Gaza have been caused by other Palestinians from 1/19/2009-5/31/2014
http://www.btselem.org/statistics/fatalities/after-cast-lead/by-date-of-event
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)your chosen title for this thread is sensationalized and hides what the article is actually about
shira
(30,109 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)By Barak Ravid | Oct. 27, 2013 |
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.554549
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)the guilty ones firing these rockets should be brought to justice.
In the same way all Israelis who kill with impunity, along with those who cover up or bury these action, also need to be brought to justice.
Right, shira?
