interrogations of the men in question.

Did they have trials with legal representation, etc.

is upheld is irrelevant..is that what you're saying?

The Israeli Occupation Forces arrested this Saturday 12 citizens of the city of Hebron, in southern West Bank.

According to Palestinian security sources and local news agencies, the Israeli army raided Hebron and arrested the two brothers Shadi and Alaa Zakaria Abu Zina, Ammar Abu Eisha and his wife Ikram Abu Aisha, Iyad Shabana al-Tamimi, Yasser Jamal, Dirar Abu Saw, and the brothers Marwan, Sharif, Bilal and Ayman Osman Qawasmeh. They were all arrested after the IOF broke into their homes and searched them, and they were taken to unknown locations.

The sources added that the Israeli army raided several neighborhoods in the towns of the Hebron province: Dura, Yatta, Beit Kahil, and Tarqumiya, and broke into dozens of homes and inspected and confiscated recordings of surveillance cameras, under the pretext of searching for 3 settlers that disappeared on Thursday night near an Israeli illegal settlement, north of Hebron.

http://english.pnn.ps/index.php/human-rights/7701-the-israeli-army-wages-a-campaign-of-mass-arrests-in-hebron

or according to this these 2 have already been in custody for nearly 2 weeks

how far does that go, what does that include?

And if the terrorists get killed in the process I don't think anyone worth listening to will complain.

however according to an article dated June 14 2014 Israel has had these 2 in custody for almost 2 weeks

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=65337

It's definitely not murder.

Yea, you are.

I said if the kids get out alive and the kidnappers die ... Who cares ?

If information is coerced it can be unreliable, never mind an illegal act by the government.

In the end, it can make the kids less safe.

well it depends on who it is I guess

I worded the title in the manner I did because those are who we are speaking of here

And if another two Palestinians die I'm sure that the IDF will find some old excuse to pin on them.

Some people obviously have other priorities.

Probably not.

Is this really the issue you plan on last going onto on this thread? Serious?

Why would you even expect standards like due process in the first place? They aren't obliged to provide anything like that.

to the safety of the kidnapped. Your loss.

I know nothing about that stuff. However I suspect you know quite a bit less than you think you do on the subject as well.

And I have no doubt that the Israelis are probably a touch more knowledgable than even a scholar such as yourself on the subject.

After 9/11, Americans learned of the efficacy of poor coerced intelligence. Israel has
used torture before, it is illegal.

Also, your presumption that Israel has no legal obligations as to how they conduct
investigations is amazing.

But you certainly are free to trust their judgment.

When did I suggest any such thing? I said they have no right to due process or legal counsel. The rules for holding tribunals for citizens under occupation are set forth under the Geneva conventions.

Regarding Israel's ability to obtain useful intelligence, I won't speak to the ethical aspects of their methodology, but no one can deny that they are good at what they do.

There are plenty of examples where coerced intelligence is just as accurate as any other. Needing a pass code for a locked phone for example.

Regarding torture, every country on earth does it. The shin bet is more commonly known for using more sophisticated forms of coercion to turn informants though.