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Any Israeli action to punish Hamas for the alleged murder of three teenagers whose bodies were found on Monday would open "the gates of hell," the Islamist movement warned.
"If the occupiers carry out an escalation or a war, they will open the gates of hell on themselves," Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri told AFP.
The warning came shortly after Israel confirmed finding the bodies of the three students who disappeared while hitchhiking in the southern West Bank on June 12.
The bodies were found in a field near Halhul some 10 minutes from the roadside spot where they were last seen, media reports said.
Israel has repeatedly accused Hamas of kidnapping the teens, two of whom were minors, and launched a major crackdown on the movement's West Bank infrastructure.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/30/hamas-israel-_n_5544848.html
King_David
(14,851 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I want to see the murderers receive justice, but if the Israeli government has some proof now is the time to present it.
aranthus
(3,385 posts)The two prime suspects are Hamas members, and they were able to disappear quickly. That's enough for suspicion to fall on Hamas, but not nearly enough to justify military action. Find the perps.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)If the two are guilty it would be better if Hamas made them disappear indefinitely.
PCIntern
(25,347 posts)notice how quiet it is on GD and around these parts...I would say something about certain forms of...well...best not to start...
Gates of Hell...Khadafi tried that shit...doesn't work.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Since Hamas butchered 3 Jewish children .
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)or this could be the calm before the storm
Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)THIS is why the blockade of Gaza, the occupation of the West Bank and the defensive wall are necessary.
And as for the useless idiots who have devoted themselves to inciting hatred and violence against Israel, THIS is the reality behind their rhetoric.
King_David
(14,851 posts)The terrorists about to govern the Palestinian people .
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)unless you believe the POTUS is giving support to Hamas
King_David
(14,851 posts)With some gobblegook about a government of technocrats.
Obamas not going to be supporting a govt with these Murderous butchers involved.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and no Hamas is not a part of the unity government
King_David
(14,851 posts)The PA and Hamas signed some kind of blood pact ( Hamas loves blood) and the president will hardly support butchers of an American child .
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)because as of right now while he sends his condolences to the parents he also has urged restraint by 'both' sides in their retaliation
King_David
(14,851 posts)That has as much relevance to the thread as what you just wrote.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)it okay
King_David
(14,851 posts)I can't answer what I don't understand and what sounds irrelevant to me.
If I understand the post I answer it.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)PCIntern
(25,347 posts)"We could have murdered four teenagers, but only murdered three. That is our restraint."
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Palestinian who died of heart attacks during night time home raids by Israel in at least 1 of the cases IDF would not allow the family to call emergency services until after the man had died
King_David
(14,851 posts)Who just killed 3 Jewish kids in cold blood ?
Sick
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)if there was ever any question about Palestinian lives having less value you just solved it-thanks
King_David
(14,851 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Yeah, we have your number, king.
Here's mine. No cold-blooded murder is justifiable by anybody for any reason. Israeli life = Palestinian life.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)State-sponsored terrorists have killed a bunch of Palestinians with immunity.
No murder is justified.
Can you at least see that?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)"We could have capped three Palestinians but only capped two. That is our restraint."
Do you want justice? Then make justice happen. Don't wish for a bloodbath.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Keep on spinning that yarn you've got there, dave.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Try again, but don't forget that the Israeli leadership, IDF and the illegal settlements are far far from clean.
And occupation doesn't equal colonization.
Call us if you ever stumble upon the truth. That's probably the only time you will ever come in contact with it.
Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)Apparently not.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)You want some truth. here it is.
The 6 Palestinians deaths at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.
The 2 Palestinian teens murdered on Nakba day allegedly at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.
The three Israeli teens murdered allegedly by Hamas deserve justice and not a blind eye.
All evidence to all these crimes should be made available and not covered up or manufactured.
Can you handle that?
I can make a few very simple observations about posters here on the left of the I/P issue without having to guess at it. None of them are suggesting that the Israelis killed their own, or that it is a hollywood fabrication, or that the murdered Israeli teens are really different than the hitchhikers. None of them support Hamas AFAIK. Neither do I.
At least one if not more IDF loving poster in I/P has made some of those claims above WRT the murdered Palestinians. All a fake. Pallywood. They had it coming.
You want to talk about decency? Please do, but start with the truth.
Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Tell me more about the "The Big Lie technique." You seem to have it under control.
Any time you want to be truthful, DU is waiting.
Here's another piece of truth. Cowards run when confronted.
Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)and keep repeating the same hateful lies. That's really all you've got.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I have a lot of decency when it comes to the truth. How about you?
You want some truth. here it is.
The 6 Palestinians deaths at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.
The 2 Palestinian teens murdered on Nakba day allegedly at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.
The three Israeli teens murdered allegedly by Hamas deserve justice and not a blind eye.
All evidence to all these crimes should be made available and not covered up or manufactured.
Can you handle that?
I can make a few very simple observations about posters here on the left of the I/P issue without having to guess at it. None of them are suggesting that the Israelis killed their own, or that it is a hollywood fabrication, or that the murdered Israeli teens are really different than the hitchhikers. None of them support Hamas AFAIK. Neither do I.
At least one if not more IDF loving poster in I/P has made some of those claims above WRT the murdered Palestinians. All a fake. Pallywood. They had it coming.
You want to talk about decency? Please do, but start with the truth.
You can run from this over and over, and I will drop it right back in your lap: over and over.
Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/113465696#post50
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113465696#post55
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113465696#post59
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113465696#post39
I believe you've demonstrated the truth of my posts quite well.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Post 1) Used an over simplistic argument propagandist piece of manure to justify occupation colonization.
Post 2) Crying about it when it is pointed out.
Post 3) Deflecting from my post since the truth is too hard a concept for you.
Post 4) Once again deflecting from my post since the truth is too hard a concept for you.
Post 5) Alluding to what I am not sure except that it still has no relevance to my earlier query.
Here it is again. Run rabbit run.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=65759
You want some truth. here it is.
The 6 Palestinians deaths at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.
The 2 Palestinian teens murdered on Nakba day allegedly at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.
The three Israeli teens murdered allegedly by Hamas deserve justice and not a blind eye.
All evidence to all these crimes should be made available and not covered up or manufactured.
Can you handle that?
I can make a few very simple observations about posters here on the left of the I/P issue without having to guess at it. None of them are suggesting that the Israelis killed their own, or that it is a hollywood fabrication, or that the murdered Israeli teens are really different than the hitchhikers. None of them support Hamas AFAIK. Neither do I.
At least one if not more IDF loving poster in I/P has made some of those claims above WRT the murdered Palestinians. All a fake. Pallywood. They had it coming.
You want to talk about decency? Please do, but start with the truth.
Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)I call you out for repeating the same hateful lies and you just keep repeating the same hateful lies.
Once again you've failed the Turing test.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)You want some truth. here it is.
The 6 Palestinians deaths at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.
The 2 Palestinian teens murdered on Nakba day allegedly at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.
The three Israeli teens murdered allegedly by Hamas deserve justice and not a blind eye.
All evidence to all these crimes should be made available and not covered up or manufactured.
Can you handle that?
I can make a few very simple observations about posters here on the left of the I/P issue without having to guess at it. None of them are suggesting that the Israelis killed their own, or that it is a hollywood fabrication, or that the murdered Israeli teens are really different than the hitchhikers. None of them support Hamas AFAIK. Neither do I.
At least one if not more IDF loving poster in I/P has made some of those claims above WRT the murdered Palestinians. All a fake. Pallywood. They had it coming.
You want to talk about decency? Please do, but start with the truth.
Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)As I've said, no sense of decency at all.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)You want some truth. here it is.
The 6 Palestinians deaths at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.
The 2 Palestinian teens murdered on Nakba day allegedly at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.
The three Israeli teens murdered allegedly by Hamas deserve justice and not a blind eye.
All evidence to all these crimes should be made available and not covered up or manufactured.
Can you handle that?
I can make a few very simple observations about posters here on the left of the I/P issue without having to guess at it. None of them are suggesting that the Israelis killed their own, or that it is a hollywood fabrication, or that the murdered Israeli teens are really different than the hitchhikers. None of them support Hamas AFAIK. Neither do I.
At least one if not more IDF loving poster in I/P has made some of those claims above WRT the murdered Palestinians. All a fake. Pallywood. They had it coming.
You want to talk about decency? Please do, but start with the truth.
Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #66)
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R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Once again, I am not sure where there is a lie in suggesting that all sides need to be held accountable for their actions.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=65759
You want some truth. here it is.
The 6 Palestinians deaths at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.
The 2 Palestinian teens murdered on Nakba day allegedly at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.
The three Israeli teens murdered allegedly by Hamas deserve justice and not a blind eye.
All evidence to all these crimes should be made available and not covered up or manufactured.
Can you handle that?
I can make a few very simple observations about posters here on the left of the I/P issue without having to guess at it. None of them are suggesting that the Israelis killed their own, or that it is a hollywood fabrication, or that the murdered Israeli teens are really different than the hitchhikers. None of them support Hamas AFAIK. Neither do I.
At least one if not more IDF loving poster in I/P has made some of those claims above WRT the murdered Palestinians. All a fake. Pallywood. They had it coming.
You want to talk about decency? Please do, but start with the truth.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)PCIntern
(25,347 posts)does that answer your question sufficiently?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I asked because your remarks sounded accusatory and I was looking
for clarification, as to who and what someone said to upset you.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)especially seeing as how I/P is not allowed in GD
PCIntern
(25,347 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Fuck them is right AND
notice how quiet it is on GD and around these parts...I would say something about certain forms of...well...best not to start...
Gates of Hell...Khadafi tried that shit...doesn't work.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113465696#post2
PCIntern
(25,347 posts)at the time I posted. Hamas doesn't really need to post here - they have plenty of sympathizers to do it for them.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)PCIntern
(25,347 posts)And anyway, there are so many people NOT posting who normally appear when the news is against Israel that that is an issue unto itself.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but link us up to a GD story about the kidnappings please
PCIntern
(25,347 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)PCIntern
(25,347 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I guess it had to be said though just in case we were in doubt?
PCIntern
(25,347 posts)Israeli
(4,132 posts)but yours takes the star prize PCIntern....
you are " sitting shiva " while posting !!!! ????
Are you aware that you dont sit shiva until after the burial ?
The seven-day period of mourning begins immediately after the burial. Thus, the first day of the shiva is the day of the burial.
Today ...to be more precise after the funerals which begin at 5:30 p.m. at the Modiin cemetery.
Are you Jewish ? .......cos you sure are lacking in basic knowledge if you are ...never mind respect for the dead .
PCIntern
(25,347 posts)It was a flip comment...relax and stop reading the rules to me, please.
Israeli
(4,132 posts).....make up your mind
King_David
(14,851 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)I find that difficult to believe.
King_David
(14,851 posts)In the strangest places and forums you would think least likely to host.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)that your point is all fabrication.
Fozzledick
(3,859 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)When the truth hits you send me a postcard.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Nobody deserves to be murdered, and all guilty parties should pay the penalty for such actions.
ALL of them.
840high
(17,196 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)They always make their bold declarations and then get their teeth kicked in.
Israel needs to find the killers and if possible deal with them through legal channels. If they believe higher ups in Hamas were involved, it would be a good idea to keep the killers alive to get that intel.
My suspicion is that this was a spontaneous, local act because the students happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. If someone higher up in Hamas ordered their murders, that person needs to be found out and dealt with.
Israel needs to be careful about over-reacting. They always seem to fall into that trap--especially with the Likud in charge. Avoid collective punishment. Get the evidence, get the culprits and minimize the collateral damage.
Igel
(35,197 posts)Presumably it's so the folk doing the saying can get out. Can't imagine why else people who consider themselves good would open such things.
Typically, though, it just makes it easier to go in and clean house--no need to break down the gates and then fix them later to keep the inmates in. And there's nothing like a little hell-razing from time to time.
Sad. Ultimately, the hell and the need for gates we bring upon ourselves. But that requires humility to understand, and the need to restore honor and the display of actual humility tend to not go hand in hand.