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King_David

(14,851 posts)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:49 PM Jun 2014

Hamas: Israeli Action Would Open Gates Of Hell

Any Israeli action to punish Hamas for the alleged murder of three teenagers whose bodies were found on Monday would open "the gates of hell," the Islamist movement warned.

"If the occupiers carry out an escalation or a war, they will open the gates of hell on themselves," Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri told AFP.

The warning came shortly after Israel confirmed finding the bodies of the three students who disappeared while hitchhiking in the southern West Bank on June 12.

The bodies were found in a field near Halhul some 10 minutes from the roadside spot where they were last seen, media reports said.

Israel has repeatedly accused Hamas of kidnapping the teens, two of whom were minors, and launched a major crackdown on the movement's West Bank infrastructure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/30/hamas-israel-_n_5544848.html

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Hamas: Israeli Action Would Open Gates Of Hell (Original Post) King_David Jun 2014 OP
FUCK Hamas ...murderous thugs. nt King_David Jun 2014 #1
Is there any proof that Hamas was responsible? R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #10
Some, but not enough. aranthus Jun 2014 #37
To bad. It would be better if there was evidence. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #43
Fuck them is right AND PCIntern Jun 2014 #2
What would you like to say, and to who would you like to say it? n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #3
How quite it is here in IP King_David Jun 2014 #4
some of us prefer to post what we have to say in LBN azurnoir Jun 2014 #6
There's not really anything to "debate", is there? Fozzledick Jun 2014 #7
This is Hamas King_David Jun 2014 #8
Hamas is/was not about to govern the Palestinian pople azurnoir Jun 2014 #11
Hamas joining PA in unitary government King_David Jun 2014 #13
so far Obama has supported the unity government azurnoir Jun 2014 #14
Hamas is part of the unitary government King_David Jun 2014 #15
Then you are saying Obama supports Hamas or are you saying you know more than the POTUS? azurnoir Jun 2014 #16
And Apple stocks on the NYSE were recently split King_David Jun 2014 #19
okay I understand your hesitance to reply on the subject at hand azurnoir Jun 2014 #20
No hesitance , King_David Jun 2014 #26
You seem to not understand a lot when it is the most convenient to do so. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #46
...murdering bastards are asked to show restraint? PCIntern Jun 2014 #21
and Israel has killed 6 outright by shooting one of whom was 14 and 2 more elderly azurnoir Jun 2014 #23
That's relevant to a terrorist child murdering group King_David Jun 2014 #29
so Israel killing 6 Palestinians in the search for these 3 youths is okay/not comparable? azurnoir Jun 2014 #30
Again can't answer posts that I can't understand nt King_David Jun 2014 #42
It's more like you refuse to answer the simple truth. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #49
It's perfectly relevant, dave. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #48
Tell me about those Nakba day murders. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #47
Like Irgun? R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #45
What a load of poorly thought out propagandist manure. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #44
"Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" Fozzledick Jun 2014 #50
I have a lot of decency when it comes to the truth. How about you? R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #51
The Big Lie technique is based on constant repetition and total contempt for the truth. Fozzledick Jun 2014 #55
It's too bad that you seemingly have no relevant purpose here. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #57
Yes, we've all noticed how you always run away from the truth Fozzledick Jun 2014 #59
I'll repost what you couldn't come to terms with, fozz R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #60
I've already covered this repeatedly. Fozzledick Jun 2014 #61
Actually all you have done is evade my query...again I may add. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #62
I think you're stuck in a loop. Fozzledick Jun 2014 #63
Every time you run from this, DUers are reading it. Please run some more. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #64
What we're seeing is your hatred and contempt for the three murdered Israelis. Fozzledick Jun 2014 #65
Your accusations lack substance and veracity. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #66
Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #67
You keep on using those words. I do no think it means what you think they mean. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #68
Speaking for other people again. I did not ask you, anything. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #9
Yeah, like I feel like getting Tombstoned... PCIntern Jun 2014 #22
The people you wish to receive your message can't be stated in any other way? Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #38
are you saying Hamas posts in GD? otherwise your comment makes little sense azurnoir Jun 2014 #5
WTF? nt PCIntern Jun 2014 #17
then what were you talking about? azurnoir Jun 2014 #18
No, I was saying that there were virtually no posts in GD PCIntern Jun 2014 #24
how so I/P is not allowed in GD or is this a if you're not for us then you're against us thing? azurnoir Jun 2014 #25
It is allowed when it is a major story/newsbreak. PCIntern Jun 2014 #27
Not really at least not that I've seen azurnoir Jun 2014 #31
Whatever you say. nt PCIntern Jun 2014 #32
well link em up if they're actually there I may have missed them n/t azurnoir Jun 2014 #33
Sorry, I'm busy sitting shiva for three dead kids. nt PCIntern Jun 2014 #34
but sitting shiva didn't keep you from posting azurnoir Jun 2014 #35
You know... nt PCIntern Jun 2014 #36
I have read some crazy comments on this forum ... Israeli Jul 2014 #69
Jesus H.... PCIntern Jul 2014 #70
" Jesus " now .... Israeli Jul 2014 #71
Your very Halachic King_David Jul 2014 #72
Yep. nt King_David Jun 2014 #28
I've been told that "The Friends of Hamas" don't exist. Fozzledick Jun 2014 #39
They definitely do King_David Jun 2014 #41
Please point them out, king, but you must understand that I believe R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #52
Speak of The Devil and look who appears! Fozzledick Jun 2014 #56
Yes, you're right there: minus any relevance. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #58
I just found out myself. It is a horrific thing. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2014 #12
...^ that 840high Jun 2014 #54
Hamas is full of sh..t BillZBubb Jun 2014 #40
Some folk keep saying that the gates of hell will be opened. Igel Jun 2014 #53
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
10. Is there any proof that Hamas was responsible?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:04 PM
Jun 2014

I want to see the murderers receive justice, but if the Israeli government has some proof now is the time to present it.

aranthus

(3,385 posts)
37. Some, but not enough.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:57 PM
Jun 2014

The two prime suspects are Hamas members, and they were able to disappear quickly. That's enough for suspicion to fall on Hamas, but not nearly enough to justify military action. Find the perps.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
43. To bad. It would be better if there was evidence.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:20 PM
Jun 2014

If the two are guilty it would be better if Hamas made them disappear indefinitely.

PCIntern

(25,347 posts)
2. Fuck them is right AND
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jun 2014

notice how quiet it is on GD and around these parts...I would say something about certain forms of...well...best not to start...

Gates of Hell...Khadafi tried that shit...doesn't work.

Fozzledick

(3,859 posts)
7. There's not really anything to "debate", is there?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:44 PM
Jun 2014
THIS is why there is no peace.

THIS is why the blockade of Gaza, the occupation of the West Bank and the defensive wall are necessary.

And as for the useless idiots who have devoted themselves to inciting hatred and violence against Israel, THIS is the reality behind their rhetoric.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
11. Hamas is/was not about to govern the Palestinian pople
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jun 2014

unless you believe the POTUS is giving support to Hamas

King_David

(14,851 posts)
13. Hamas joining PA in unitary government
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:10 PM
Jun 2014

With some gobblegook about a government of technocrats.
Obamas not going to be supporting a govt with these Murderous butchers involved.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
15. Hamas is part of the unitary government
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:15 PM
Jun 2014

The PA and Hamas signed some kind of blood pact ( Hamas loves blood) and the president will hardly support butchers of an American child .

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. Then you are saying Obama supports Hamas or are you saying you know more than the POTUS?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:18 PM
Jun 2014

because as of right now while he sends his condolences to the parents he also has urged restraint by 'both' sides in their retaliation

King_David

(14,851 posts)
19. And Apple stocks on the NYSE were recently split
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:21 PM
Jun 2014

That has as much relevance to the thread as what you just wrote.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
26. No hesitance ,
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:30 PM
Jun 2014

I can't answer what I don't understand and what sounds irrelevant to me.
If I understand the post I answer it.

PCIntern

(25,347 posts)
21. ...murdering bastards are asked to show restraint?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:23 PM
Jun 2014

"We could have murdered four teenagers, but only murdered three. That is our restraint."

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
23. and Israel has killed 6 outright by shooting one of whom was 14 and 2 more elderly
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:27 PM
Jun 2014

Palestinian who died of heart attacks during night time home raids by Israel in at least 1 of the cases IDF would not allow the family to call emergency services until after the man had died

King_David

(14,851 posts)
29. That's relevant to a terrorist child murdering group
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:36 PM
Jun 2014

Who just killed 3 Jewish kids in cold blood ?

Sick

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
30. so Israel killing 6 Palestinians in the search for these 3 youths is okay/not comparable?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:41 PM
Jun 2014

if there was ever any question about Palestinian lives having less value you just solved it-thanks

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
49. It's more like you refuse to answer the simple truth.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:39 PM
Jun 2014

Yeah, we have your number, king.

Here's mine. No cold-blooded murder is justifiable by anybody for any reason. Israeli life = Palestinian life.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
48. It's perfectly relevant, dave.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:35 PM
Jun 2014

State-sponsored terrorists have killed a bunch of Palestinians with immunity.

No murder is justified.

Can you at least see that?
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
47. Tell me about those Nakba day murders.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:33 PM
Jun 2014

"We could have capped three Palestinians but only capped two. That is our restraint."

Do you want justice? Then make justice happen. Don't wish for a bloodbath.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
44. What a load of poorly thought out propagandist manure.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 09:26 PM
Jun 2014

Try again, but don't forget that the Israeli leadership, IDF and the illegal settlements are far far from clean.

And occupation doesn't equal colonization.



Call us if you ever stumble upon the truth. That's probably the only time you will ever come in contact with it.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
51. I have a lot of decency when it comes to the truth. How about you?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:14 PM
Jun 2014

You want some truth. here it is.

The 6 Palestinians deaths at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.

The 2 Palestinian teens murdered on Nakba day allegedly at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.

The three Israeli teens murdered allegedly by Hamas deserve justice and not a blind eye.

All evidence to all these crimes should be made available and not covered up or manufactured.


Can you handle that?

I can make a few very simple observations about posters here on the left of the I/P issue without having to guess at it. None of them are suggesting that the Israelis killed their own, or that it is a hollywood fabrication, or that the murdered Israeli teens are really different than the hitchhikers. None of them support Hamas AFAIK. Neither do I.

At least one if not more IDF loving poster in I/P has made some of those claims above WRT the murdered Palestinians. All a fake. Pallywood. They had it coming.


You want to talk about decency? Please do, but start with the truth.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
57. It's too bad that you seemingly have no relevant purpose here.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:40 PM
Jun 2014

Tell me more about the "The Big Lie technique." You seem to have it under control.



Any time you want to be truthful, DU is waiting.


Here's another piece of truth. Cowards run when confronted.


Fozzledick

(3,859 posts)
59. Yes, we've all noticed how you always run away from the truth
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:45 PM
Jun 2014

and keep repeating the same hateful lies. That's really all you've got.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
60. I'll repost what you couldn't come to terms with, fozz
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:52 PM
Jun 2014

I have a lot of decency when it comes to the truth. How about you?

You want some truth. here it is.

The 6 Palestinians deaths at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.

The 2 Palestinian teens murdered on Nakba day allegedly at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.

The three Israeli teens murdered allegedly by Hamas deserve justice and not a blind eye.

All evidence to all these crimes should be made available and not covered up or manufactured.


Can you handle that?

I can make a few very simple observations about posters here on the left of the I/P issue without having to guess at it. None of them are suggesting that the Israelis killed their own, or that it is a hollywood fabrication, or that the murdered Israeli teens are really different than the hitchhikers. None of them support Hamas AFAIK. Neither do I.

At least one if not more IDF loving poster in I/P has made some of those claims above WRT the murdered Palestinians. All a fake. Pallywood. They had it coming.


You want to talk about decency? Please do, but start with the truth.


You can run from this over and over, and I will drop it right back in your lap: over and over.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
62. Actually all you have done is evade my query...again I may add.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:11 PM
Jun 2014

Post 1) Used an over simplistic argument propagandist piece of manure to justify occupation colonization.

Post 2) Crying about it when it is pointed out.

Post 3) Deflecting from my post since the truth is too hard a concept for you.

Post 4) Once again deflecting from my post since the truth is too hard a concept for you.

Post 5) Alluding to what I am not sure except that it still has no relevance to my earlier query.


Here it is again. Run rabbit run.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=65759

You want some truth. here it is.

The 6 Palestinians deaths at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.

The 2 Palestinian teens murdered on Nakba day allegedly at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.

The three Israeli teens murdered allegedly by Hamas deserve justice and not a blind eye.

All evidence to all these crimes should be made available and not covered up or manufactured.


Can you handle that?


I can make a few very simple observations about posters here on the left of the I/P issue without having to guess at it. None of them are suggesting that the Israelis killed their own, or that it is a hollywood fabrication, or that the murdered Israeli teens are really different than the hitchhikers. None of them support Hamas AFAIK. Neither do I.

At least one if not more IDF loving poster in I/P has made some of those claims above WRT the murdered Palestinians. All a fake. Pallywood. They had it coming.


You want to talk about decency? Please do, but start with the truth.

Fozzledick

(3,859 posts)
63. I think you're stuck in a loop.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:21 PM
Jun 2014

I call you out for repeating the same hateful lies and you just keep repeating the same hateful lies.

Once again you've failed the Turing test.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
64. Every time you run from this, DUers are reading it. Please run some more.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:25 PM
Jun 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=65759

You want some truth. here it is.

The 6 Palestinians deaths at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.

The 2 Palestinian teens murdered on Nakba day allegedly at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.

The three Israeli teens murdered allegedly by Hamas deserve justice and not a blind eye.

All evidence to all these crimes should be made available and not covered up or manufactured.


Can you handle that?

I can make a few very simple observations about posters here on the left of the I/P issue without having to guess at it. None of them are suggesting that the Israelis killed their own, or that it is a hollywood fabrication, or that the murdered Israeli teens are really different than the hitchhikers. None of them support Hamas AFAIK. Neither do I.

At least one if not more IDF loving poster in I/P has made some of those claims above WRT the murdered Palestinians. All a fake. Pallywood. They had it coming.


You want to talk about decency? Please do, but start with the truth.

Fozzledick

(3,859 posts)
65. What we're seeing is your hatred and contempt for the three murdered Israelis.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:32 PM
Jun 2014

As I've said, no sense of decency at all.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
66. Your accusations lack substance and veracity.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:38 PM
Jun 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=65759

You want some truth. here it is.

The 6 Palestinians deaths at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.

The 2 Palestinian teens murdered on Nakba day allegedly at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.

The three Israeli teens murdered allegedly by Hamas deserve justice and not a blind eye.

All evidence to all these crimes should be made available and not covered up or manufactured.


Can you handle that?

I can make a few very simple observations about posters here on the left of the I/P issue without having to guess at it. None of them are suggesting that the Israelis killed their own, or that it is a hollywood fabrication, or that the murdered Israeli teens are really different than the hitchhikers. None of them support Hamas AFAIK. Neither do I.

At least one if not more IDF loving poster in I/P has made some of those claims above WRT the murdered Palestinians. All a fake. Pallywood. They had it coming.


You want to talk about decency? Please do, but start with the truth.

Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #66)

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
68. You keep on using those words. I do no think it means what you think they mean.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:50 PM
Jun 2014

Once again, I am not sure where there is a lie in suggesting that all sides need to be held accountable for their actions.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=65759

You want some truth. here it is.

The 6 Palestinians deaths at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.

The 2 Palestinian teens murdered on Nakba day allegedly at the hands of the IDF deserve justice and not a blind eye.

The three Israeli teens murdered allegedly by Hamas deserve justice and not a blind eye.

All evidence to all these crimes should be made available and not covered up or manufactured.


Can you handle that?

I can make a few very simple observations about posters here on the left of the I/P issue without having to guess at it. None of them are suggesting that the Israelis killed their own, or that it is a hollywood fabrication, or that the murdered Israeli teens are really different than the hitchhikers. None of them support Hamas AFAIK. Neither do I.

At least one if not more IDF loving poster in I/P has made some of those claims above WRT the murdered Palestinians. All a fake. Pallywood. They had it coming.


You want to talk about decency? Please do, but start with the truth.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
38. The people you wish to receive your message can't be stated in any other way?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:02 PM
Jun 2014

I asked because your remarks sounded accusatory and I was looking
for clarification, as to who and what someone said to upset you.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. are you saying Hamas posts in GD? otherwise your comment makes little sense
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 06:33 PM
Jun 2014

especially seeing as how I/P is not allowed in GD

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
18. then what were you talking about?
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:21 PM
Jun 2014

Fuck them is right AND

notice how quiet it is on GD and around these parts...I would say something about certain forms of...well...best not to start...

Gates of Hell...Khadafi tried that shit...doesn't work.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113465696#post2

PCIntern

(25,347 posts)
24. No, I was saying that there were virtually no posts in GD
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:27 PM
Jun 2014

at the time I posted. Hamas doesn't really need to post here - they have plenty of sympathizers to do it for them.

PCIntern

(25,347 posts)
27. It is allowed when it is a major story/newsbreak.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:31 PM
Jun 2014

And anyway, there are so many people NOT posting who normally appear when the news is against Israel that that is an issue unto itself.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
35. but sitting shiva didn't keep you from posting
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:55 PM
Jun 2014

I guess it had to be said though just in case we were in doubt?

Israeli

(4,132 posts)
69. I have read some crazy comments on this forum ...
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 06:36 AM
Jul 2014

but yours takes the star prize PCIntern....

you are " sitting shiva " while posting !!!! ????

Are you aware that you dont sit shiva until after the burial ?

The seven-day period of mourning begins immediately after the burial. Thus, the first day of the shiva is the day of the burial.

Today ...to be more precise after the funerals which begin at 5:30 p.m. at the Modiin cemetery.

Are you Jewish ? .......cos you sure are lacking in basic knowledge if you are ...never mind respect for the dead .

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
52. Please point them out, king, but you must understand that I believe
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:16 PM
Jun 2014

that your point is all fabrication.
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
12. I just found out myself. It is a horrific thing.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jun 2014

Nobody deserves to be murdered, and all guilty parties should pay the penalty for such actions.

ALL of them.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
40. Hamas is full of sh..t
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 08:19 PM
Jun 2014

They always make their bold declarations and then get their teeth kicked in.

Israel needs to find the killers and if possible deal with them through legal channels. If they believe higher ups in Hamas were involved, it would be a good idea to keep the killers alive to get that intel.

My suspicion is that this was a spontaneous, local act because the students happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. If someone higher up in Hamas ordered their murders, that person needs to be found out and dealt with.

Israel needs to be careful about over-reacting. They always seem to fall into that trap--especially with the Likud in charge. Avoid collective punishment. Get the evidence, get the culprits and minimize the collateral damage.

Igel

(35,197 posts)
53. Some folk keep saying that the gates of hell will be opened.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:18 PM
Jun 2014

Presumably it's so the folk doing the saying can get out. Can't imagine why else people who consider themselves good would open such things.

Typically, though, it just makes it easier to go in and clean house--no need to break down the gates and then fix them later to keep the inmates in. And there's nothing like a little hell-razing from time to time.

Sad. Ultimately, the hell and the need for gates we bring upon ourselves. But that requires humility to understand, and the need to restore honor and the display of actual humility tend to not go hand in hand.

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