Israel/Palestine

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts) Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:07 PM Dec 2014

Ethnic cleansing manifesto...

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/blogs/politics/15705-ethnic-cleansing-manifesto

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and head of Yisrael Beitenu party published on November 28 a new manifesto outlining the party's outlook for Israel.

The updated platform entitled "Swimming Against the Stream" posted on Lieberman's Facebook page demanded Israeli Arabs who identify themselves as Palestinians "... to forfeit their Israeli citizenship and move and become citizens of the future Palestinian state."

It is worth noting that the impassive "Israeli Arabs" or "Arabs" nomenclatures were invented by Zionists to avoid identifying those who remained in their homes - when Israel was forced upon them - as Palestinians. To their chagrin however, Palestinians keep reminding Zionists that "it was Israel that came to us; we did not go to Israel."

The Israeli foreign minister further suggested that Israel should create "a system of economic incentives" to entice Palestinians to leave their homes and towns that existed before Israel itself.

Despotic regimes, not modern Democracies, have always used this form of terror on their own citizens.

What a disgusting form of fascism.

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Ethnic cleansing manifesto... (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 OP

Denmark to pay immigrants £12,000 to go home if they 'can't or won't' assimilate shira Dec 2014 #1

Palestinians aren't immigrants...so your weak reply goes down like the R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 #2

They're Muslim citizens. Try again. n/t shira Dec 2014 #3

They're Israeli citizens and not immigrants. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 #4

The hypocrisy is strong as u defend Denmark's extreme rightwing policy. shira Dec 2014 #5

Actually Shira, you're the one defending it. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #6

Pointing out the hypocrisy. Don't put words in my mouth... shira Dec 2014 #7

And, in that thread I quoted and linked each post where you said exactly what I said you did Scootaloo Dec 2014 #8

My quotes that u posted do not support your argument. shira Dec 2014 #9

i remember being told there would be "no chance" Israel would adopt that Jewish State bill, too Scootaloo Dec 2014 #10

I am comparing Israel to Israel, my poor shira. Some democracy... R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 #11

That's untrue. Shaktimaan Dec 2014 #15

Interesting post indeed n/t azurnoir Dec 2014 #13

your article says nothing about Danish citizens azurnoir Dec 2014 #12

Not for nothing... Shaktimaan Dec 2014 #14

shira

(30,109 posts)

1. Denmark to pay immigrants £12,000 to go home if they 'can't or won't' assimilate

Reply to R. Daneel Olivaw (Original post)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:19 PM

Dec 2014

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1226698/Denmark-pay-immigrants-12-000-home-wont-assimilate.html#ixzz3LMKhNw00

Obviously Denmark is a fascist rogue regime.

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)

2. Palestinians aren't immigrants...so your weak reply goes down like the

Reply to shira (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:21 PM

Dec 2014

Again, how awful your retorts are.

On edit: Really, shira. That's weak. That's like some shlub in America attempting to pay the First Nations to leave: something David Duke would spew out.

shira

(30,109 posts)

3. They're Muslim citizens. Try again. n/t

Reply to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:26 PM

Dec 2014

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)

4. They're Israeli citizens and not immigrants.

Reply to shira (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:30 PM

Dec 2014

The fail is strong in you tonight, but thank you for letting the mask slip again.

shira

(30,109 posts)

5. The hypocrisy is strong as u defend Denmark's extreme rightwing policy.

Reply to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:35 PM

Dec 2014

Classy.

Denmark's racist policy has been in effect for years.

Israel isn't even close to adopting such a policy, as only the outer fringes are making such noises.

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)

6. Actually Shira, you're the one defending it.

Reply to shira (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:40 PM

Dec 2014

Look at post #1

shira

(30,109 posts)

7. Pointing out the hypocrisy. Don't put words in my mouth...

Reply to Scootaloo (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:43 PM

Dec 2014

Reactionary anti-Imperialist, anti-Zionist Leftists couldn't give a shit about Denmark's fascist, batshit rightwing racist policy.

Why? Because Jooz aren't involved.

You did this in another thread - accusing me of saying something I didn't - about RIBA harming British Jews. I think you can do better than making up all these straw man arguments. And if you're going to keep putting words in my mouth, we have nothing further to discuss.

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)

8. And, in that thread I quoted and linked each post where you said exactly what I said you did

Reply to shira (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:55 PM

Dec 2014

Here, you are defending Avi Lieberman's manifesto by citing something almost similar if you squint in Denmark.

There are some key differences that Daniel was pointing out to you.

- Denmark's policy is an offer. Lieberman's proposal is a demand.
- Denmark's policy is directed towards immigrants. Palestinians are not immigrants in Palestine or Israel.

Do you regard lieberman's ideas as wrong? if so, why are you defending them? Morover, why are you defending htem with something that you hold to be an extreme right-wing policy? It's very strange.

shira

(30,109 posts)

9. My quotes that u posted do not support your argument.

Reply to Scootaloo (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:58 PM

Dec 2014

I'm also not defending Lieberman.

There's no chance Israel ever adopts such a racist policy. If Israel ever does so, we can then compare to Denmark, which put its policy into effect against Muslim citizens years ago.

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)

10. i remember being told there would be "no chance" Israel would adopt that Jewish State bill, too

Reply to shira (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:09 PM

Dec 2014

Avigdor Lieberman is the foreign minister of israel. If Netanyahu fails to secure his position i nthe supcoming elections, then Lieberman is a strong contender to replace him, sadly. If the only response you have to his awful ideas, is deflection and obfuscation...?

If you're against something, be against it. Stop kissing ass and making excuses.

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)

11. I am comparing Israel to Israel, my poor shira. Some democracy...

Reply to shira (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:19 PM

Dec 2014

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)

15. That's untrue.

Reply to Scootaloo (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 02:52 AM

Dec 2014

Denmark's policy is an offer. Lieberman's proposal is a demand.

Actually it's an offer. Not a demand. Your misunderstanding is a good example of how misinformed one becomes when relying on sources like the op for information.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)

13. Interesting post indeed n/t

Reply to shira (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 06:46 AM

Dec 2014

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)

12. your article says nothing about Danish citizens

Reply to shira (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:26 AM

Dec 2014

citizens is your own spin period

Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)

14. Not for nothing...

Reply to R. Daneel Olivaw (Original post)

Fri Dec 12, 2014, 01:14 AM

Dec 2014

This manifesto is disgusting, but what was reported here about it isn't really true.

The updated platform entitled "Swimming Against the Stream" posted on Lieberman's Facebook page demanded Israeli Arabs who identify themselves as Palestinians "... to forfeit their Israeli citizenship and move and become citizens of the future Palestinian state."

The manifesto actually says:

“Those who decide that they identify as Palestinian could give up their Israeli citizenship and become citizens of a future Palestinian state. The State of Israel should encourage this via a system of economic incentives,” the plan states.

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