Israel/Palestine

Purveyor

(29,876 posts) Mon Dec 15, 2014, 03:21 PM Dec 2014

Jordan’s King Blames Israel for ISIS?!

In an interview with Charlie Rose on 5 December 2014, Jordan’s king made the following statement:” A necessity to move the Israeli-Palestinian issue forward, especially with all of us now are dealing with a much bigger problem; the international fight against the international jihadists…the world has moved on but if we don’t unravel this and solve this problem between Israelis and Palestinians we are going to fight this fight with one arm behind our back.”.

While this statement might sound well intended, it actually subliminally dictates an alarming rhetoric: the king is openly saying the war on global Jihadist terror–in this case he was talking about the war on ISIS– could be ineffective because of the situation in Israel. And an ineffective war means terrorists could win and kill more Americans. This is what the king told millions of American and Western viewers.

Still, the above could have passed as an exaggeration or a misjudgment, was it not for the things the king said next.

When Charlie Rose asked the king whether there was a chance for a peace deal during the remaining period of Obama’s term, he responded:”It has to be because what happens if it is not. This is the critical factor that both sides have to understand, we are now moving into something much bigger, the global fight, the generational fight, if this thing is still cooking and not resolved how are we going to succeed on this larger problem?” The king is telling millions of Americans that their country’s war on terror would not succeed– and thus ISIS might grow and even win– unless Israel and the Palestinians sign another peace agreement during president Obama’s term.

But what are the Obama’s “terms” Jordan’s king talking about there? President Obama made his peace vision very clear right before AIPAC back in 2011: Israel returning to its 1967 borders.

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http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/analysis/jordans-king-blames-israel-for-isis/2014/12/14/

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Jordan’s King Blames Israel for ISIS?! (Original Post) Purveyor Dec 2014 OP

Collin Powell and the Pottery Barn story Wellstone ruled Dec 2014 #1

Man, Jewishpress.com will publish anything Scootaloo Dec 2014 #2

geez ya made me look at the wiki piece azurnoir Dec 2014 #5

He needs to put up a photo of himself in a superhero costume, cape and all Scootaloo Dec 2014 #10

I think I need some dramamine after reading that spin however here is a transcript of the interview azurnoir Dec 2014 #3

B L O W B A C K R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 #4

For the Iraq invasion maybe? oberliner Dec 2014 #6

The Israel/Palestine problem also was a factor in the Iraq invasion and 9/11. BillZBubb Dec 2014 #7

How so? oberliner Dec 2014 #8

Complete nonsense Mosby Dec 2014 #9

Why not ? A lot of people here have said Israel created Hamas King_David Dec 2014 #11

I have read stranger stuff: "ISIS is the new Israel". bemildred Dec 2014 #12

with respect Sir azurnoir Dec 2014 #13

I have now. bemildred Dec 2014 #14

I'm not too sure he's "blaming Israel" azurnoir Dec 2014 #15

No, that's not what he was doing. bemildred Dec 2014 #16

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)

1. Collin Powell and the Pottery Barn story

Reply to Purveyor (Original post)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 04:28 PM

Dec 2014

has come home to roost. AIPAC will not move on this. Jordan's King nails it again.

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)

2. Man, Jewishpress.com will publish anything

Reply to Purveyor (Original post)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 04:29 PM

Dec 2014

Mudar Zahran has exactly one consistent position - no matter what, the king of Jordan is always wrong. Also, I think he wrote his own Wikipedia article, it's so butt-kissing.

But no, Jordan's king is pointing out what loads and loads of other people have been pointing out for a long time - that the Israel / Palestine conflict is a recruiting tool for extremists. And unless it is resolved, it is only going to keep being that recruiting tool.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)

5. geez ya made me look at the wiki piece

Reply to Scootaloo (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 05:20 PM

Dec 2014

and this paragraph alone

Zahran’s pro-peace articles in the Jerusalem Post and the renowned Gate Stone Institute have stirred an organized defamation campaign by the government-controlled Jordanian media. Nonetheless, Zahran seems to have influence over the Jordanian-Palestinian public, for example, in 2011, the Jordanian government-controlled media called for an anti-Israeli protest against the Israeli Embassy in Amman, then, Zahran went publicly and told the Jordanian public to boycott the protests and to realize that “their problem was with the Hashemite regime and not Israel”, eventually the Washington Post reported less than 200 people attended the protest. On several other occasions, Zahran’s messages to the Palestinian majority proved to have influence, including his guidance to them not to protest against both, the American and Israeli embassies despite non-stop calls for them to do so by Jordan’s media.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudar_Zahran

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)

10. He needs to put up a photo of himself in a superhero costume, cape and all

Reply to azurnoir (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 07:03 PM

Dec 2014

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)

3. I think I need some dramamine after reading that spin however here is a transcript of the interview

Reply to Purveyor (Original post)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 04:45 PM

Dec 2014

http://usvisit2014en.rhcjo.com/hmkiicharlierosetranscript/

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)

4. B L O W B A C K

Reply to Purveyor (Original post)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 05:06 PM

Dec 2014

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

6. For the Iraq invasion maybe?

Reply to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 05:40 PM

Dec 2014

Don't you think that's a bigger piece?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)

7. The Israel/Palestine problem also was a factor in the Iraq invasion and 9/11.

Reply to oberliner (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 05:46 PM

Dec 2014

The Israeli occupation isn't the cause of these things, but it is the constant irritant that allows other problems to fester and come violently to the surface.

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

8. How so?

Reply to BillZBubb (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 06:51 PM

Dec 2014

I'm not sure I follow that one.

Mosby

(16,306 posts)

9. Complete nonsense

Reply to BillZBubb (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 06:58 PM

Dec 2014

bin laden didn't even mention Israel in his first video about the attacks, his concern was US military presence in KSA and the other gulf countries. THAT is the main "irritant", but Islamism isn't a rational perspective anyway, it's based on fairy tales and cultural crap that interprets reality in a way that reinforces their warped worldview.

King_David

(14,851 posts)

11. Why not ? A lot of people here have said Israel created Hamas

Reply to Purveyor (Original post)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 07:27 PM

Dec 2014

A lot of people think Israel is responsible for global warming and the big Tsunami and the San Francisco earthquake too.

As the Great Abba Ebban said :

If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions.

Abba Eban

Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/abbaeban167935.html#b6ODgO6fw4u8CjLc.99

bemildred

(90,061 posts)

12. I have read stranger stuff: "ISIS is the new Israel".

Reply to Purveyor (Original post)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 08:35 PM

Dec 2014

Guffaw. Chris Hedges on OpEd News. Not posting a link.

However, the King(s) are both rightly afraid of ISIS. ISIS wants their thrones. But it is wrong to blame it on Israel, blame it on Bush, blame it on Bremer. Had Bremer not chosen to dismantle the Iraqi state apparatus, there would not now be present the power vacuum which ISIS fills, and in some respects ISIS is that dismantled state apparatus.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)

13. with respect Sir

Reply to bemildred (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 08:45 PM

Dec 2014

Have you seen or read the interview?

http://usvisit2014en.rhcjo.com/hmkiicharlierosetranscript/

bemildred

(90,061 posts)

14. I have now.

Reply to azurnoir (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:11 PM

Dec 2014

He sounds nervous. So what's on your mind?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)

15. I'm not too sure he's "blaming Israel"

Reply to bemildred (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:38 PM

Dec 2014

and you?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)

16. No, that's not what he was doing.

Reply to azurnoir (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 15, 2014, 09:51 PM

Dec 2014

He was dithering, is what he was doing. He is very, very nervous about ISIS, and wants all of us to focus all of our powers on ISIS very soon.

The whiney tone in the OP gave me a headache, but I slogged through that too. The "blame Israel" meme comes from there.

There were some interesting assertions in both of them though: all those reforms, the King no longer the master of his military, about Russia and Iran and Assad.

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