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shira

(30,109 posts)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:10 PM Dec 2014

Jewish groups harshly condemn removal of Hamas from EU terror list

Now THIS is fucked up.

If the EU hasn't figured out over the last 2 decades that Hamas is a terror organization, then according to the ruling there are no other terror organizations worldwide.

Looks like Europe hasn't changed since Auschwitz.


Jewish communities throughout Europe and across the world condemned a decision by a European Union court on Wednesday to remove Hamas from a list of terrorist organizations.

In its decision, the General Court of the European Union, the bloc's second highest tribunal, said member states could maintain their freeze on Hamas's assets for three months to give time for further review or for an appeal to be launched while the EU's foreign policy arm said the bloc continued to view Hamas as a terrorist group.

The EU described the ruling as being based on procedural grounds that did not constitute a judgement on morality of Hamas’ activities.

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http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Jewish-groups-harshly-condemn-removal-of-Hamas-from-EU-courts-terror-list-384977
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Jewish groups harshly condemn removal of Hamas from EU terror list (Original Post) shira Dec 2014 OP
The EU is returning to their roots. It's disgusting to witness this. grossproffit Dec 2014 #1
It's purely procedural. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #2
The burden of proof is on the EU court, not those who appeal the ruling... shira Dec 2014 #3
No, the burden of proof is always on the prosecution. Scootaloo Dec 2014 #5
We disagree on the burden of proof... shira Dec 2014 #7
Disagree if you like, it doesn't actually change how courts work Scootaloo Dec 2014 #8
Yep that is a really bad analogy..... King_David Dec 2014 #6
the really annoying thing shaayecanaan Dec 2014 #9
Or even more annoying oberliner Dec 2014 #10
Hamas applauds EU decision to remove movement from terror list oberliner Dec 2014 #4
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. It's purely procedural.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:40 PM
Dec 2014

The court's decision is that Hamas was put on the terrorism list in 2001 without the level of evidence needed for such a decision. Basically, this amounts to improperly-filed paperwork. There are threemonths to appeal the court's decision - and we all know that it will be appealed, and that such an appeal will bring more than sufficient evidence to put Hamas back on the list. In the interim, Hamas' effective status remains unchanged - though they are off the list formally, they will still be treated as though they are on it, for this three month appeal period - their assets frozen, travel restricted, all that sort of stuff.

Basically, this needs to be seen as an opportunity to strip hamas of any potential legal wriggle-room which is, almost without a doubt, what is going to happen.

Looks like Europe hasn't changed since Auschwitz.


Really, Shira? Really? Okay, look. Go google "Auschwitz." learn soem shit. Then come back and delete that ignorant line.
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
3. The burden of proof is on the EU court, not those who appeal the ruling...
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:15 PM
Dec 2014

Hamas is dedicated to murdering Jews, not just Israeli Jews. You may laugh at their genocidal aspirations, but they're pretty serious about it and act upon it when they can.

I meant Auschwitz b/c the EU would never make a similar ruling regarding a group committed to blowing up Blacks or Muslims. That would never be tolerated in a million years. This court would never put the burden of proof on Blacks or Muslims or anyone else having to appeal such a ruling.

IMO, the EU is trying to get out of a binding UNSCR (chapter 7, resolution 1373) that makes the funding of terror organizations illegal (even indirect funding). The EU has been in violation of this UNSCR for years.

It's difficult as a Jew seeing this ruling as anything other than despicable bigotry.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
5. No, the burden of proof is always on the prosecution.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:35 PM
Dec 2014

Seriously, that's simple stuff. There was apparently not sufficient evidence broguht forward to place the organization on the list in 2001, when that decision was made. Whoever makes the appeal is going to have to make the case with that evidence. between 2001 and 2014, I'm sure there will be more than ample evidence to enter into the record to justify their re-placement on the list. don't you?

I meant Auschwitz b/c the EU would never make a similar ruling regarding a group committed to blowing up Blacks or Muslims.


Yeah, they probably would. It's a procedural decision, Shira. That is, it's purely about dotted i's and crossed t's.

You invoked Auschwitz either because you're really ignorant, or because you're an opportunist who is graverobbing to "score points." I'm hoping the former, because ignorance can be remedied,
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
7. We disagree on the burden of proof...
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:27 PM
Dec 2014

And we'll see whether this ruling stands after appeals are made. I'd like to believe the EU court will make the right decision, but if they're politically compromised they won't budge.

I personally don't see much difference b/w those who colluded with or supported the Nazis and folks today who support or defend terror organizations like Hamas, who is committed to murdering Jews all over the world. If Hamas had the means to kill 10's of thousands of Jews, those nasty fucks would have done it already. That doesn't mean they're just like the Nazis with extermination camps. It means they pretty much have the same agenda as those fascists. And I have major issues with those who defend, whitewash, or support a genocidal organization committed to killing my family and Jews of all stripes.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
8. Disagree if you like, it doesn't actually change how courts work
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:30 PM
Dec 2014

it just makes you look obstinate in addition to being wrong.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
9. the really annoying thing
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 06:39 AM
Dec 2014

is that in two months time, when hamas is back on the list, the same hysterics will try and spin it as the EU relenting in the face of overwhelming pressure and then they will pat themselves on the back for a job well done.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. Or even more annoying
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 06:49 AM
Dec 2014

Other hysterics will try and spin it as Zionists controlling Europe (those nefarious hasbarados at it again!)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. Hamas applauds EU decision to remove movement from terror list
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 06:29 PM
Dec 2014

GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- The Hamas movement on Wednesday applauded the European Union General Court for its decision to remove Hamas from its list of terrorist organizations earlier in the day.

Hamas leader Salah al-Bardawil told Ma'an that he hopes that other EU countries will honor the change of policy and "commit" to it.

Al-Bardawil said that Hamas as a movement had "not shut any doors of communication and discussion with any international body except for Israel."

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=747952

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