I remember when some famous astronaut claimed to see a "UFO" and many people thought that being an astronaut gave him some sort of credibility. It gave him nothing of the sort.

And this is why I specifically asked the following question in my OP.

"I am sure Beachy, Seger, et al will tell you that there are "frauds and nut jobs in every profession".

But, will they be willing to put their face to their claims? "

"arcane1" - are you willing to put your face and name to your claims?

Why should anyone give YOU credibility?

I've seen enough.

arcane1 says - "I've seen enough."

Translation -

"I have no basis for my opinion unless you want to believe me, an anonymous guy on the internet"

I can't form an opinion unless I know WTF you're talking about.

"arcane1" asks - "I can't form an opinion unless I know WTF you're talking about."

My question, do you normally post your opinion to a group without reading the threads of a group?

But you're a truth-teller who doesn't read posts?

"I remember when some famous astronaut claimed to see a "UFO" and many people thought that being an astronaut gave him some sort of credibility. It gave him nothing of the sort." - arcane1

Sounds a bit like an opinion to me.

Have you yet figured out what the Pilots in the OP are claiming?

Or do you just wish to argue if you have given an opinion or not....

that's definitely just his opinion.

Now we know what 11.2g failed physics creators look like.

Now we know what pilots look like, who brag they can't hit targets hit by terrorist pilots. Failed in the safety of simulators; brag about being poorer pilots than terrorists. Pilots who spread lies, look like those faces.
Why would pilots brag about being unable to hit targets? Unable to fly as good as terrorists, and spreading lies of impossible speed.



Now we have faces to put with pilots who quotemine fake Vd definitions from journalists because they don't do aero.


Now we know the faces which fake Vg diagrams.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=188863


Pilots for truth experts give us 11.2g failed physics.
http://www.cesura17.net/~will/ephemera/sept11/balsamo/balsamo2.html
After the 11.2g failure, pilots for truth came up with 34g as the new Flight 77 requirement, yet Hani did it with less than 2.5g. Hani beats the faces above in flying; the pilots for truth claim they need practice to crash into the Pentagon.


Those faces are challenged pilots, they can't hit the Pentagon, and they say this was 34g for flight 77 to hit the Pentagon. Faces of paranoid conspiracy theorists. Like the pilot from Jet Blue who went nuts, these guys believe false claims and paranoid conspiracy theories about 911. Now we know what paranoia and apologizers for 911 terrorists look like.


http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/425355-757-767-v-g-diagram.html
johndoeX banned from other forums for spreading lies, SPAMming 911 lies.

oh noes, every edit is seen? oh noes

Beachy is incoherent once again....

"pilots for truth faces to go with the fringe conspiracy theorists spreading lies of impossible speed

Now we know what pilots who can't hit targets hit my terrorists pilots, and these failed pilots were in the safety of simulator and brag about being poorer pilots than terrorists, look like.

Now we have faces to put with pilots who quotemine fake Vd definitions from journalists because they don't do aero.

Now we know the faces which fake Vg diagrams. "

Click here for more...

Seger, do you consider the above post from Beachy, "intelligent'?





Edit: I see Beachy tried to edit his post after reading my reply above.


"Now we know what pilots who can't hit targets hit 19 terrorists pilots, and these failed pilots were in the safety of simulator and brag about being poorer pilots than terrorists, look like. Pilots who spread lies, look like those faces." - superbeachnut

Try again Beachy?



Edit: Beachy, you do know that everyone can see every edit you make on this forum, right?
(seems Beachy made another edit)

Edit: and Beachy makes another 2 edits.... adding a diagram published by a chemist (who in fact Beachy disagrees with in the area of expertise of the chemist)...

....and this...

http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/425355-757-767-v-g-diagram.html
johndoeX banned from other forums for spreading lies, SPAMming 911 lies.

But wait, I thought I was 'A320Slave' at pprune.. according to you?

When will they post to help support 11.2g claim turned to 34g, or the fake Vg diagram, or the impossible speed? Where are they? All these fantastic claims and no action. Why are you posting here in creative speculation, spreading false information, where are all your faces now? You have no active pilots?

Faces who spread lies about 911, is it good to know who is spreading lies - now we know them by face.

Jeff Latas, Ross Aimer, Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad, Sinclair R Bruce Sinclair support the lies of impossible speed? Prove it.
What about John Lear, he has all those aliens to help you, why don't you list the aliens John Lear has?
Pilots for truth, a group of paranoid conspiracy theorists who can't do aerodynamics, as proved by the Fake Vg diagram, the fake Vd definition, and the lie of impossible speed.

Where are pilot for truth pilots hiding? Which one does not have an ATP? johndoeX

When will you be able to provide a source which has experience in aviation?

Jeff Latas, Ross Aimer, Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad, Sinclair R Bruce Sinclair are your sources for the failed 11.2g physics?
http://www.cesura17.net/~will/ephemera/sept11/balsamo/balsamo2.html

Jeff Latas, Ross Aimer, Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad, Sinclair R Bruce Sinclair are your sources for the Fake Vg diagram?
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=188863
Are you saying your errors were made by your sources, these pilots who brag they need practice to hit targets the size terrorist pilots hit? 3 of the biggest buildings in the world?

http://www.cesura17.net/~will/ephemera/sept11/balsamo/balsamo2.html

Jeff Latas, Ross Aimer, Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad, Sinclair R Bruce Sinclair are your sources for the impossible speed, which is a lie?
Do they know Flight 11 hit at Vd? I suspect these pilot for truth sources failed to study 911 in any detail.
Where are your sources? Do they post here? Do they know their math has failed?

Did Jeff Latas, Ross Aimer, Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad, Sinclair R Bruce Sinclair and John Lear all check your 11.2g?

Why did you get banned here - http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/425355-757-767-v-g-diagram.html - twice - ?

Beachy, let us know when you come up with new material.

pilots for truth came up with 34g for this. How did your pilot for truth sources miss by so much? You never explain this, why can't you fix your failed work?

johndoeX is upset a chemist, was it a chemist, used data from Flight 77's FDR and did a graph. pilot for truth are upset it exposes they were off by more then 30gs.

Is the Yawn... pilots for truth best evidence for what? The fake Vg diagram, the false Vd definition quote mined from an internet journalist, or the lie of impossible speed?

Where did you get the 4-11gs for 911 aircraft? The same place you got the 11.2gs?

You spread lies about 911.
Fake Vg diagram.
Claims 911 planes are still flying after they crashed because you can't do ACARS.
Claims of aircraft swaps, which are lies, there were no aircraft swaps on 911.
How many fake claims has pilots for truth made?

Did Jeff Latas, Ross Aimer, Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad, R Bruce Sinclair and John Lear all agree on spreading these dumbed down lies. Saying the aircraft were still flying after they crashed is insane. Does Jeff Latas, Ross Aimer, Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad, R Bruce Sinclair and John Lear support that fantasy? Can you post their support explicitly. No


Another classic... The fake Vg diagram. Back in 2006.

Each airplane has its own Vg diagram in its Aircraft Flight Manual. I'll keep looking around for the 757. - johndoeX , Jul 12 2006

Unable to find a real 767/757 Vg diagram, pilots for truth fake it. Did Jeff Latas, Ross Aimer, Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad, R Bruce Sinclair and John Lear all agree to fake the Vg diagram to support the impossible speed lie?

Debunked by RADAR and video on 911, pilots for truth defy logic to spread lies of impossible speed.


Oops, my flying desk Desert Storm/Desert Shield ... flat stella in Saudi Arabia - oops, I remember now, Major me, to pin on LtCol a few month later - do faces really help?
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The noise machine - my first desk job, it comes with a stick and rudder - you saw my supersonic ride, need more facetime

How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn't the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just didn't add up. ... - Ralph Kolstad

Ralph has no clue why the WTC collapsed. The WTC was designed for an impact at 180 mph, and it appears Ralph can't do physics to see 11 and 175 impacts had 7 and 11 times more kinetic energy than the design. I checked with the chief structural engineer, Ralph made up his claim, and does not add up for him because he can't do the math.
Failure to do the physics, Ralph has no clue how the WTC collapsed - he remains in ignorance.

I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor, U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did. Something stinks to high heaven! - - Ralph Kolstad

There is nothing the terrorists did that could not be done by anyone who can fly at entry level. I guess pilots think flying is some special skill others can't master - the flying on 911 was VFR, and nothing fancy, they all crashed, it takes no skill to crash. Ralph thinks crashing takes skill beyond his flying capabilities. He brags he can't fly as poorly as the terrorists did... no logic skills are found in Ralph's box of woo.

Where is the damage to the wall of the Pentagon from the wings? - Ralph Kolstad

Wow, Ralph, wrong again. Close inspection of the Pentagon shows the wing marks, but you have to research Ralph, and you did nothing but make up dumbed down remarks based on nonsense. Ralph, the big clue is the DNA from all but the kid on 77; we even have DNA for 5 terrorists, are you going to help identify them, you seem to be apologizing for them. This is a face of pilots for truth, unable to do simple research; failure.

And at the Shanksville Pennsylvania impact site, where is any of the wreckage?!!! - Ralph Kolstad

Get your eyes checked Kolstad. What a big lie.

thousand of aircraft parts, Ralph lies about not being there


Is Ralph Kolstad spreading lies on purpose, or blind.
Ralph, in the crater, all the DNA for the passengers, and four terrorists. oops, Ralph, you are spreading lies, or exposing your ignorance; which is it? Why does Ralph Kolstad lie about those murdered on 911.

Where is the steel landing gear? - Ralph Kolstad

Flight 77 proved to crash at the Pentagon due to RADAR, FDR, and DNA... yet Ralph Kolstad can't see the landing gear, too lazy to check for the landing gear. Essentially he is calling his fellow soldiers in the USN liars. What great American, spreading lies about 911.

Oops, Ralph, a landing gear. Darn, Ralph Kolstad can't find a landing gear.
Plus Ralph can't see the thousands of aircraft parts from 77.

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/American_Airlines_Flight_77
Poor Ralph, lies about 911; is he researched challenged, or dumber than dirt.


- Ralph Kolstad ; maybe Ralph helped with the 11.2g fantasy physics. http://www.cesura17.net/~will/Ephemera/Sept11/Balsamo/balsamo2.html

How many of those people believe the max speed of a 767 at 700' is 250 miles per hour?

Like you do?

Edited to add: For the record, a 767 can go *much* faster than 250 miles per hour at 700 feet altitude. Balsamo does not believe this, preferring to believe a Boeing public relations lady/phone answerer named Leslie Hazzard. Ms. Hazzard has a BA in Journalism with a minor in Political Science from Western Washington University with no published "credentials" (as Balsamo like to put it) in aerospace engineering or any aerospace discipline. She stated in a phone interview that the max speed of a 767 at 700' is 250 miles per hour.

This is only one of the absurd claims that Balsamo makes. There are many more from where that comes from.

Faces don't do anything with regards to credibility. Especially the same old faces, year in, year out. Got anyone else?

As far as faces go, would Kolstad want you putting his face up there is you threatened to put a bullet in his head?

Just asking, since that is your standard response to people who do not agree with you.

Jeff Latas - -------------------------

After I did my own analysis of it, it's obvious that there's discrepancies between the two stories; between the 9/11 Commission and the flight data recorder information. - Jeff Latas

Where is Jeff Latas's analysis? It must be in his head. There are no discrepancies in what happened on 911, the FDR matches RADAR, and witnesses, Jeff Latas has no clue. Why is Jeff Latas making up a lie? No work to go with Jeff Latas claims, BS.

... but from even an aviation standpoint, like any accident investigation would actually help the aviators out by finding reasons for things happening. - Jeff Latas

Jeff Latas is confused, 911 was a crime, not an accident. The FBI does crime, Jeff Latas has no clue 911 was a crime. The NTSB does accident investigation for aircraft accidents, 911 was a crime, not an accident. Jeff, 911 was a crime, it things happened because 19 terrorists did the "things". Jeff Latas fails to make a point, sounds like a failed politician with some problems.

The things that really got my attention were the amount of descent rate that you had to have at the end of the flight, of Flight 77, that would have made it practically impossible to hit the light poles. - Jeff Latas

What is the descent rate? Jeff Latas is wrong again, as 77 did impact the Pentagon. Jeff Latas acts as if he never flew, making nonsensical comments based on nothing but talk.

Jeff Latas, the face of ignorance on 911; after 13 years he has no clue it was 77. Jeff Latas, implying his fellow soldiers are liars.

Too lazy to investigate what the terrorist did on 77, ignoring the FDR, Jeff Latas decides to mislead his fellow Americans.

Jeff Latas, no clue what happened on 911, in ignorance for 13 years supporting lies from 911 truth.

Essentially it would have been too high at that point to the point of impact where the main body of the airplane was hitting between the first and second floor of the Pentagon. - Jeff Latas

Did Jeff Latas inspire pilots for truth false claims? Is Jeff Latas made up nonsense, all done with no study, inspiration for pilots for truth to spread lies? Is this the pilot for truth method? Get fake experts, list their credentials, then quote mine them to support fantasy claims. The FDR shows 77 was not too high, witnesses saw 77 impact the Pentagon. Jeff Latas is wrong, and has no evidence, no analysis to support his fantasy.

But, you know, that kind of descent rate it would have been impossible essentially for the results that we see physically from what the flight data recorder was recording. Like I say, that's an area that I think deserves explanation. ... - Jeff Latas

Jeff, the Flight Data Recorder (FDR) shows the descent rate was possible, in fact Jeff, the FDR shows what happened. Jeff Latas has no clue how to comprehend FDR information, and ignores witnesses. Jeff Latas is calling those who saw 77 hit the Pentagon, his fellow Americans, liars by saying this claptrap. Why is Jeff Latas unable to figure out 911, and why is he acting like a paranoid conspiracy theorist, supporting pilots for truth lies.

And I can't think of all the discrepancies I saw, but there are several there. - Jeff Latas

Jeff Latas "can't think of all the discrepancies" because Jeff Latas is ignorant on the details, evidence, and what happened on 911. Jeff Latas, another BS artist on 911, spreading dumbed down claptrap he calls discrepancies.

After I did my own analysis ... - Jeff Latas

Where is Jeff Latas fantasy analysis posted? Is it similar to 11.2g, or 34g? Does it include a fake Vg diagram. Is it the impossible speed lie analysis.

Will Jeffery Lynn Latas publish his analysis, or is Jeff's analysis BS, big talk from pilot who can't take the time to do research.

Faces? Bringing faces to fact fight, when you need brains.

? Ross Aimer - looks like he does not support pilots for truth.

My connection to "9/11 Conspiracy Theory" and "Pilots for 9/11 Truth" is strictly on a scientific/professional basis. I do not support nor have any knowledge of US Government or Military involvement in 9/11. - Ross Aimer

When did Ross Aimer stop supporting the lies of pilots for truth?

Ross Aimer, is he the pilot who can't hit the WTC in a simulator? How do pilots for truth get the only pilots who brag about flying worse than terrorist pilots.

And that is from someone (me) who uses their real name.

... it's never appropriate to give phone numbers, email addresses, or photos to someone who makes death threats when he gets frustrated and angry about being exposed as a fraud.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x125586

why use your real name?
credibility?

I am against the idea that the name should mean more credibility. The content and facts matter, not who says it.

Bruce Sinclair, thinks he is a structural engineer, a fire science expert. Bruce Sinclair is a paranoid conspiracy theorist who flies planes.
Hope he does not rant about this claptrap in-flight.
http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/story/2012-03-27/JetBlue-captain-subdued-after-erratic-behavior-on-flight/53811070/1

Well, the one I use for people who are 9/11 neophytes or people who are disbelievers is -- The single most compelling piece of evidence is the collapse of Building 7 at the World Trade Center. - R. Bruce Sinclair

WTC 7 burned all day, no firefighting, and it collapsed. Not sure why he thinks WTC 7 is some smoking gun. Bruce is not a structural engineer, has no clue what fire can do; so he adopts fantasy from 911 truth nuts.

Most people don't even know that Building 7 collapsed because it's been expunged from the mainstream media completely. - R. Bruce Sinclair

Building collapse when on fire, and Bruce has to lie about WTC 7. A report was done on WTC 7, like other building totaled in fire. One Meridian Plaza, fire fought and the building totaled by fire. Windsor building, fire fought, building totaled by fire, and the steel frame section collapsed. oops, Bruce is fooled by the failed 911 truth movement of woo.

But the bottom line is that when a 47-story steel and concrete structure falls at 5:30 in the afternoon at 6 and a half seconds of free-fall speed into its own shadow - R. Bruce Sinclair

Bruce must be using that special 11.2g physics pilots for truth use.
http://www.cesura17.net/~will/Ephemera/Sept11/Balsamo/balsamo2.html
Bruce waves his hands (or googled 911 truth lies and believes them blindly) and says "free-fall"... oops physics again; WTC 7 took over 16 seconds to collapse, not 6.5 seconds. Bruce fails physics, which is standard for pilots for truth (see 11.2g physics).
Its "own shadow"? lol, wrong again Bruce Sinclair.
What is free-fall speed? 30mph, 100mph, what is it Bruce? This is funny, but then I am a geek, an engineer and a pilot; I took physics, not that I would not say "free-fall speed", but it is not a speed; Bruce has no clue what physics is, he is a 911 truth believer.
Bruce, WTC 7 was not a concrete building, it was steel frame. Sorry, but the new WTC 7 has concrete core to protect the stairs, etc. Bruce does not offer math, or engineering to go with his fantasy.

with video tapes of people saying "You'll have to get back. The building is coming down." - R. Bruce Sinclair

Fire fighters have people move back, and some predict it might collapse, so they prepare and get people back. Wow, fire fighter doing their job. oops, Bruce seems to trying to hard to lie about 911.

This is the prima facie proof of an inside job. This building was hit by no airplane. ... - R. Bruce Sinclair

What a big leap of stupid. Bruce Sinclair, a failed pilot for truth believer thinks he can do engienering, and fails to present evidence. Doubt he knows what evidence is.

Where is Bruce Sinclair's supporting evidence for pilot for truth impossible speed, fake Vg diagram, or the 11.2g then 34g failed g force nonsense?

Same old 911 truth talk, no substance.