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William769

(55,144 posts)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:14 PM Sep 2012

Transgender Name Changes Not OK With Bible-Quoting Oklahoma Judge

An Oklahoma judge has stirred controversy with decisions not allowing transgender people to change their names legally, claiming they are making the changes for “fraudulent” purposes, in violation of state law.

Oklahoma County district judge Bill Graves, a former state legislator, also has cited the Bible in disallowing the name changes, The Oklahoman reports. Other judges told the newspaper they routinely grant name changes for people who have undergone or are planning to have gender-reassignment procedures.

In an order last year denying a name change, Graves wrote, “A so-called sex-change surgery can make one appear to be the opposite sex, but in fact they are nothing more than an imitation of the opposite sex.” A person’s DNA stays the same, he wrote, citing a physician he consulted.

“To grant a name change in this case would be to assist that which is fraudulent,” Graves continued. “It is notable that Genesis 1:27-28 states: ‘So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth ... ’ The DNA code shows God meant for them to stay male and female.”

http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2012/09/16/oklahoma-judge-cites-bible-denying-transgender-name-changes

As a added bonus, Rick Santorum is right about smart people!

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Transgender Name Changes Not OK With Bible-Quoting Oklahoma Judge (Original Post) William769 Sep 2012 OP
Was the doctor he consulted Rand Paul?? Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #1
This judge needs to step down Politicalboi Sep 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #5
His ruling is Unconstitutional. madaboutharry Sep 2012 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #4
This is why we need an equal rights amendment. Initech Sep 2012 #6
Oklahoma is not OK schmice Sep 2012 #7
Is this lunatic making a religious argument (God's plan) or a scientific one (DNA)? Vincardog Sep 2012 #8
More to the point, why does a name change need a judge's permission in the first place? n/t Old Union Guy Sep 2012 #9
does my DNA care if my name is Miss Thing or xchrom? xchrom Sep 2012 #10
He needs to recuse himself from all of these cases. enlightenment Sep 2012 #11
I'm unfamiliar with the logistics of name-changing ibegurpard Sep 2012 #12
What about Lynns and Danas??? Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2012 #13
being a judge can make one appear to be a human johnnypneumatic Sep 2012 #14
Talk about stupid and bigoted... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #15
More proof that homophobes and transphobes are about the stupidest human beings on the planet. nt Zorra Sep 2012 #16
That Twisted SOB Judge Needs to be Yanked tonekat Sep 2012 #17
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
2. This judge needs to step down
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:21 PM
Sep 2012

The body must really be confused when one is named Terry, or Teri, Shawn, or Sean, Lindsey or, or, or, oh lets face it Lindsey is a girls name. So says God. LOL! Sorry Lindsey Graham, blame your parents.

Response to Politicalboi (Reply #2)

madaboutharry

(40,199 posts)
3. His ruling is Unconstitutional.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:22 PM
Sep 2012

Its right there in Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Another freak who needs to be removed from the Bench.

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ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
12. I'm unfamiliar with the logistics of name-changing
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 06:44 PM
Sep 2012

but it seems to me that if someone wants to change their name that should be entirely up to them. Is this judge dictating that a "male" should not be allowed to take a "female" name or vice-versa?
What's his position on names that are generally accepted for either sex?
this is just vile nonsense.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
13. What about Lynns and Danas???
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 06:52 PM
Sep 2012

Lots of now-female names were male names in the 19th Century:

Beverly, Joyce (Joyce Kilmer), Evelyn (Evelyn Waugh), Vyvyan(Oscar Wilde's son) or Vivian, Connie.

johnnypneumatic

(599 posts)
14. being a judge can make one appear to be a human
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 07:36 PM
Sep 2012

but in fact Graves is nothing more than an imitation of a human being, and it would be fraudulent for him to claim he is one. While Grave's DNA may appear human, he is clearly a baboon (I consulted with a physician, Dr. Doolittle, on this matter).

tonekat

(1,811 posts)
17. That Twisted SOB Judge Needs to be Yanked
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:26 PM
Sep 2012

Off the bench ASAP, he is obviously mentally incompetent and incapable of rendering judgement on a game of tic-tac-toe, let alone a personal decision fraught with meaning to the petitioner.

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