LGBT
Related: About this forumEvery syllable in these speeches was like a dagger in my heart then
and it's no better now. A lot has changed in 9 years, but one thing hasn't changed. None of them to my knowledge, regardless of whether they've now embraced marriage equality, has ever apologized for the hurt and harm they did to homosexual Americans with their cowardice and/or bigotry.
Flashback: When Democrats Swore They Would Never Back Gay Marriage
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/03/27/hillary_clinton_harry_reid_when_democrats_swore_they_would_never_back_gay.html
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Politicians are rarely brave people. The Clintons could have done much more to push the country ahead. (I don't buy that it was such an "impossible" situation., or that Pres, Clinton's hands were tied.) It was all pretty deplorable, imo.DOMA, etc. but again, politicians are often not paragons of integrity.
i learned to stop taking things personally as best I could around the age of 12.Humor is the true savior. politicians are...weird.
dsc
(52,152 posts)Let's remember what these speeches were about. They were voting against an amendment to the US Constitution that would have banned marriage equality (basically forever). Go ahead and provide the exhaustive list of politicians that were for gay marriage in 2004. I bet you can list them on two hands if you limit yourself to those who were either federal politicians or who were elected state wide. Did your parents support gay marriage in 2004? your siblings? your coworkers? I bet for more than a few of us, the answers to those questions aren't uniformly yes.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Not how much it hurt the movement toward equality.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)I mean NOBODY liked teh Gay back in the 2000s. Hell, even St. Paul Wellstone voted to deny us marriage with his vote for DOMA.
And you're right. It's ok that the Democrats in that video were bigoted against us because they were less bigoted than the Republicans.
The fact that they were kicking us while we were down is completely understandable because they were "shielding us" from the Rethugs who wanted to inflict greater harm.
And yeah, avoiding the gay marriage constitutional amendment ban was TOTALLY worth it. I mean, it was 110% certainty that it would pass, and a constitutional amendment has never, EVER in the entire history of our nation been adopted, then repealed within 13 years. I mean that's just CRAZY talk. It would have been a FOREVER ban for SURE.
dsc
(52,152 posts)than our country had seen since the civil war and denied a right to a majority of Americans (even now non drinkers are a minority of the country). The debate wasn't DOMA, evidently you didn't know that, so I should have been clearer in my response, but this was the debate on the Constitutional amendment. Now as to repeal of it. We would need 38 states to ratify, they would need 13 to not ratify. Of the following states which do you think would see a state legislature ratify the repeal of a ban on gay marriage before say 2030 (GA, SC, AL, MS, TX, OK, TN. AR, KS, NE, UT, ID, NC) this doesn't even include WV, VA, ND, SD,