"I was hurt and I wanted to hurt him and wanted to use a term that would cause the most hurt"

or something like that, JONAH, that word only has that meaning if you are homophobic...


Men of his age group think the word is funny and hurtful, that he would use it thinking it would be
an insult IS THE INSULT!

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Jonah apparently sensed he way gay and then in a heat of anxiety, fear and frustration...the verbal bomb got dropped. He was provoked and these things happen under stress.. I see no harm

If it was a calm situation....not so easy to forgive as that would reflect inner discrimination.

Apparently, your goal is to justify your position. Candidly, I have no interest in reading your attempts to do that.

Jonah was essentially stalked and bullied all day by this creep..his mission to secure 15 seconds of fame. Which he got. Now he has marginalized the gay movement.

Are you blaming the paparazzi for being called a "faggot?"

How does his being a gay paparazzi "marginalize" the gay movement?

Do you feel the same is true of this woman? http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=195513 Given she "felt" her child was scared, was she "justified" (or at least it is "understandable&quot she let loose with a racial slur...repeatedly?

Yes, I completely blame the paparazzi fella who may indeed be a gay man and was called a " fa*@t" in response to his exhausting harassment and stalking of Jonah Hill. You don't have to be gay to be called a " fa*@t" you know.....Regardless of the term, title or slur he received... He earned it in my opinion.

WTF does this even mean? Of course some gay people are jerks - doesn't excuse the use of slurs though. No reason to attack an entire group when it's one individual who's behaving badly.

"Now he has marginalized the gay movement."

Again, WTF? If that's all it takes then the "movement" wasn't much of one to begin with.

One should pick the real slurs that are made in malice and prejudice. This incident was made in reaction to being harassed and bullied..it happens.

Snapping at the guy wasn't the problem - that was almost certainly justified - it was the fact he resorted to using a word that is highly offensive to most gay people (and many straight people, for that matter). Sometimes things do just "slip out" but an apology is still warranted nonetheless.

I think I'm a bit older than Hill, but back in grade school, it got thrown around a lot, by kids who didn't even know what homosexuality was. Under stress, sometimes the taunts of your childhood come out, even when you've long since realized intellectually how offensive they are to groups who aren't even involved in whoever is triggering them. I know I still think a different slur from my childhood (not a homosexual one, but one that refers to developmentally challenged individuals) when I'm faced with people doing idiotic things, and can only hope I never slip up and say it aloud. It's hard to completely erase the bigotry you grew up with, even if you can usually consciously control it.

This is not an excuse for him or anyone. But, things we heard and maybe even said, growing up, and still hear, lodge in the primitive part of our brain, and may surface their ugly selves when we are most angry. And, goading celebrities seems to be part of the job of the papparazzi. (I know, I know: pity for the very rich and very adored is not what I am suggesting.)

I am not going to pile on Hill. He said his heart was broken and, FWIW, I believed him.

That said, we must aspire to be like the many people who can get very angry, even angry at an individual member of a minority group, without letting to with any kind of slur against women or gays or African Americans or Jews or any other group that has historically borne the brunt of the uglier side of many humans. And we must require that of our children and our schools and public figures.

And here, I add a plea. Can some DUers and other leftists please consider whether it's really necessary to go to the issue of mocking orientation, whether open or (allegedly) closeted, when the name of a political enemy, especially a male, is mentioned? To name just one, if you cannot find a way to criticize Senator Graham without mocking him for allegedly being a closeted homosexual, something is wrong. (Yes, you, too, Jon Stewart).

And, no, it is not gospel or an eternal truth that every evangelist who condemns homosexuality from the pulpit just has to a closeted gay. And even if they are, is that really the part of their conduct that leftists should be obsessing about? How is that helping a group that still can't marry in many states?

IMO, when you engage in that kind of thing, you, too, are using orientation a way to insult someone you don't like. Anyway, please think about it.

minority groups. If Hill had said something like "Kiss my ass you stupid fuck!" no one would have a problem, nor should they.

And I agree that no one, least of all a lefty, should use a person's alleged orientation as a knee-jerk insult. Human sexuality is certainly a rich source of humor, but there's nothing particularly funny about "gayness" in itself - unless you happen to be, on some level, homophobic.

Here, have a halo. (Contrary to popular belief, I don't give them out--or withhold them-- based on anyone's orientation.)

I especially like the part about not declaring homophobes as "secret gays." That gets tiresome. As for halos, well, it has been addressed, so you won't have to see that type of nonsense again...and if you do, let one of us (hosts) know.

I tend not to do a lot of alerting, but I will keep that in mind.

Sometimes, though, objectionable posts speak for themselves far better than any response of which I am capable.

In his case, that was it. It unwraps our inner thoughts and social filters. He was an ass, and I don't see why I should think him less of an ass in the future.

If you've never said or done anything that you regret, cool. But, most of us have. The thing is, what did we do after that?

(This is not about Hill, but a general statement.)

Is to me very telling. Despite what he may say now. And for the record I would never accidentally use a slur when shouting at someone.

may or may not fit into one of the general groups that I was describing, namely either (1) those who are genuinely sorry and redeem themselves or (2) those who are not genuinely sorry, except to the degree that their careers may suffer.

For the record, I have never called anyone a N****r or a k**e or a p***y or q f*g, anything similar in anger (or in calmness) either. Even as a grade schooler. However, I have said and done different kinds of things that I regret and for which I wish I could forgive myself, let alone get forgiveness from others.

The fact that I have not engaged in that particular kind of behavior myself does not mean that someone cannot be truly sorry for that kind of behavior and redeem himself or herself. So, I take more of a wait and see position.