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La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:22 PM Jun 2014

My own Tom Cruise moment and a general question about LGBT 'accusations'

so recently someone pointed out a DU off-shoot message board. I went to check it out where i read the following sentence


I'm pretty sure Lioness is trans. And I think that's been confirmed." Posted by unReMorseful on June 5, 2012, 4:41 pm, in reply to "Re: An aside:"


Which lead me to my Tom Cruise moment, what is the right thing to do under these circumstances. Denying I am trans seems to be adding fuel to the belief that there is something wrong with being trans. So I decided not to do that, but that brought up some questions for me.

I was not just asking for myself, but wondering how should people react when the press accuses them of being gay or lesbian, when they are maybe not. So when faced with these 'accusations' what is the right thing to do?






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My own Tom Cruise moment and a general question about LGBT 'accusations' (Original Post) La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 OP
How about Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #1
i guess, but my fear is that a denial in some ways still aids the notion La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #2
Well, my other response suggestion Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2014 #3
Being called LGBTQ is not an insult. xfundy Jun 2014 #4
yes. i am aware of this. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #7
Patrick Stewart's response was great theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #5
The best of them. longship Jun 2014 #6
Matt Damon responded. . . . BigDemVoter Jun 2014 #8
There are times (this morning was one such) when I feel like closeupready Jun 2014 #9
i wasn't at all upset about it. i was mostly wondering how one responds to such a thing La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #10
Well, maybe I can give you some useful advice, then. closeupready Jun 2014 #11
that's actually really wonderful advice. thank you La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #12
Yup! Every time I find people rankling me, I realize that closeupready Jun 2014 #13
A relative recently transplanted to Queens (NY) after having lived all over the world. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #20
I also think part of it is many unemployed actors live here. closeupready Jun 2014 #21
as an adult, i've been asked if i'm a lesbian fizzgig Jun 2014 #14
Your post brings this to mind from Matt Damon... Fearless Jun 2014 #15
i wouldn't bother to deny it. xchrom Jun 2014 #16
omg. so very very true. both statements. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #17
On explaining stuff to straights is useless, +1000. See why closeupready Jun 2014 #18
I have had the same issue. I have been accused of being gay a number of times on Youtube... stevenleser Jun 2014 #19
I have no problem with the accusation or insinuation dickthegrouch Jun 2014 #22

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. How about
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:30 PM
Jun 2014

'Not that it matters, or that there would be anything wrong with it if it were, but no, I don't happen to be ______.'

Would be my reply to someone spreading misinformation.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
2. i guess, but my fear is that a denial in some ways still aids the notion
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jun 2014

that there is something wrong with being part of the lgbt spectrum

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
3. Well, my other response suggestion
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 02:00 PM
Jun 2014

is simply to ignore it, or to say 'Not really any of your business'.

There are probably still people to this day who think I'm gay, simply because I was a member of the LGBTA group on campus back in school. I could really care less, unless it adversely affects my ability to get hired, since we don't have ENDA yet.

longship

(40,416 posts)
6. The best of them.
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 04:30 PM
Jun 2014

Here are the SirPatStew tweets on the issue. First on the Guardian reporting that he is not gay.

.@Poynter But @guardian I have, like, five or even SEVEN hetero friends and we totally drink beer and eat lots of chicken wings!


When one person noted a possible misunderstanding his close friendship with Ian McKellan (who is gay):
MT “@Gruaig_Rua: @Poynter Silly @guardian. You can't catch gay by hanging out with #LGBT people."


And then, he wrapped it all up with:
Well, @guardian it makes for a nice change...at least I didn't wake up to the internet telling me I was dead again.


SirPatStew is, as always, a class act. He drank their milkshake and then dropped the mike. (Couldn't resist the horrible mixed metaphor.)

BigDemVoter

(4,149 posts)
8. Matt Damon responded. . . .
Mon Jun 23, 2014, 10:58 PM
Jun 2014

"So what if I am?" when asked. What's funny is that he's not.

Too many people are quick to say. . ."I'm not gay, but I'm ok if somebody else is. . ." They're afraid they'll be branded as queer. Shit, it's NOT an insult. . .

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
9. There are times (this morning was one such) when I feel like
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 10:30 AM
Jun 2014

Henry David Thoreau had it right. That's the kind of summer I've been having.

So I'm pretty sure I won't be able to dispense any useful advice, but you know you can always cry on my shoulder.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
10. i wasn't at all upset about it. i was mostly wondering how one responds to such a thing
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 10:34 AM
Jun 2014

without re-stigmatizing a group.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
11. Well, maybe I can give you some useful advice, then.
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 10:58 AM
Jun 2014

To be succinct, when I feel like others around me are getting too pushy, I deliberately disengage. (That's kind of what happened this morning, but the problem was that I was confined to a crowded subway car, and I got seriously claustrophobic, and it set me off. So there was no way effectively to disengage from the drama queens who were competing for public air space.)

By "disengage" I mean, I put maximum distance between myself and that person, that group of people, that area, stretch of street, whatever. So in this situation, I would simply make a decision to not respond.

While this is a small board, it is still a public forum where you and your views will - over time - attract those (like me) who love you for them, and those who hate you. Some of the talking heads on Fox and elsewhere apparently will browse threads here on occasion, just like anyone else, and so you've got to try to exercise a bit of self-restraint. Or at least, that's what I do. It helps me stay calm when I let these things go and then move on. I actually left a board recently after something like this happened to me, and haven't been back for months, even though I posted there every single day, multiple times, for years and years. But I'm happy with that decision.

Peace to you.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
13. Yup! Every time I find people rankling me, I realize that
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 11:14 AM
Jun 2014

they are doing it - in part - because I am letting them engage me in some kind of dialogue - verbal, non-verbal, territorial, etc.

I suppose that's part of why people here where we live have a reputation for refusing eye contact and being cold. But you know what, it's an effective survival technique.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
20. A relative recently transplanted to Queens (NY) after having lived all over the world.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 08:37 AM
Jun 2014

We commiserated recently on the topic of the cultural significance of "eye contact" and decided that.... for whatever reasons... it (i.e. making eye contact ) is a "survival technique" in all natural human settings.... as it promotes the interdependence necessary for survival.

EXCEPT for NYC. Here one maximizes one's odds for survival by AVOIDING eye contact.

I'm taking her on the 7 train next week so she can practice.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
21. I also think part of it is many unemployed actors live here.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 11:04 AM
Jun 2014

as well as others involved - at every level - in the entertainment industry, and social gatherings sometimes feel like an audition for the benefit of any unrecognized big shots within earshot of whichever drama queen is carrying on, soaking up energy in a sponge-like parasitical way, when really all YOU want to do is to GET TO FUCKING WORK ON TIME.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
14. as an adult, i've been asked if i'm a lesbian
Tue Jun 24, 2014, 10:39 PM
Jun 2014

and was accused (very hatefully) of it in high school.

my response now is 'nope, just an ally but it wouldn't matter if i were."

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
15. Your post brings this to mind from Matt Damon...
Wed Jun 25, 2014, 04:18 AM
Jun 2014

"I never denied those rumors because I was offended and didn't want to offend my friends who were gay — as if being gay were some kind of f---ing disease..."

http://celebrities.ninemsn.com.au/?blogentryid=1075913&showcomments=true

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In my opinion, it may be worth simply saying "yes" or "no" if someone asks in person. Just a nonchalant answer. Because it really doesn't matter. Don't be defensive about it, that suggests that you have something to be defensive about, which of course you don't. It wouldn't matter if you were or weren't. The error in perception comes from their point of view not yours.

But, as you're talking an internet forum. I'd laugh about it. And then ignore it. It's not worth the hassle. Let them seem stupid.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
16. i wouldn't bother to deny it.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:58 AM
Jun 2014

first -- it's like there's something wrong with it -- by it's very 'accusation'.

second -- i would assume that peron is straight.
'splaining stuff to straights -- and DU taught me t5his -- is useless.
their minds are made up -- and they know better than we do about our own lives.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
17. omg. so very very true. both statements.
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 11:29 AM
Jun 2014

(although i would amend that to 'some straights' or 'not-allied straights')

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
18. On explaining stuff to straights is useless, +1000. See why
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 05:23 PM
Jun 2014

I don't socialize with straight people? Ever? Okay, so maybe TWO but even then only on occasion.

They. Don't. Get. It. and don't WANT to get it.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
19. I have had the same issue. I have been accused of being gay a number of times on Youtube...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 08:14 PM
Jun 2014

particularly when talking in favor of LGBT rights.

I don't feel like a denial is appropriate. I think I have settled on the tactic of saying "Since I don't regard being LGBT as a bad thing, I don't feel the need to deny your accusation."

dickthegrouch

(3,169 posts)
22. I have no problem with the accusation or insinuation
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 07:18 PM
Jun 2014

I have a problem with people saying or implying I'm "admitting" it like it's some sort of crime.

I reveal, acknowledge, disclose, celebrate my homosexuality. I'd NEVER admit it.

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