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Omaha Steve

(99,464 posts)
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:16 PM Oct 2015

Here's who invited Kim Davis to meet the pope (Tell Vatican ambassador to resign E action)


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Dear Faithful America member,

After days of speculation, the truth has finally come out: Pope Francis did not hold a private meeting to express his support for Kim Davis's efforts to block gay marriage licenses.

According to an official Vatican statement, Kim Davis was among "several dozen persons" attending a reception at the Vatican embassy, "the pope did not enter into the details of the situation," and "his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support."

Moreover, it seems that the pope did not request Kim Davis be invited.

According to press reports, one man was likely responsible for Davis's invitation: Carlo Maria Vigano, a conservative church official who was appointed by Pope Benedict as Vatican ambassador to the United States (formally called the "apostolic nuncio&quot .

Having created an opportunity for right-wing evangelicals to dishonestly hijack the message of the pope's visit to the United States, Vigano must now resign.

Tell Vatican ambassador: Letting Kim Davis hijack the pope's visit was wrong. Resign for the good of the church.

Many of us were upset and confused when the news broke that Pope Francis had met with Kim Davis -- especially given how she and her lawyers misrepresented what actually happened at the Vatican embassy.

While Pope Francis has continued to promote conservative teachings on marriage and family, he has also advocated for a more compassionate and welcoming church that advocates for the poor and socially marginalized.

But the Catholic Church is a complex and global institution, and not all decisions are made by the pope. Pope Francis has replaced a number of conservative officials -- many of them American -- who have undermined his leadership and vision for the church, but it wouldn't be reasonable for him to remove everyone appointed by previous popes.

Carlo Maria Vigano was appointed apostolic nuncio by Pope Benedict, and there have been indications before that he and Pope Francis are not on the same page. For example, earlier this year Francis forced Kansas City Bishop Robert Finn to resign after Finn was convicted of covering up clergy sexual abuse. Despite this, Vigano allowed Finn to continue ordaining priests until a new bishop was appointed.

Vigano was almost certainly involved in inviting Kim Davis to the Vatican embassy reception where she met with Pope Francis, and he may even have acted alone. Either way, he has no business continuing to serve as Francis's official representative to the United States.

Tell Vatican ambassador to resign: http://act.faithfulamerica.org/sign/vigano/?t=2&akid=719.39313.u2Qchj (and share on Facebook)

Thanks!

- Michael

For more information:

"Pope Francis' Meeting Wasn't an Endorsement of Kim Davis's Views, Vatican Says," The New York Times, October 2, 2015

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Here's who invited Kim Davis to meet the pope (Tell Vatican ambassador to resign E action) (Original Post) Omaha Steve Oct 2015 OP
The only group that can tell this person to resign are the Catholics. Why would it be any still_one Oct 2015 #1
"almost certainly involved"??? procon Oct 2015 #2
Can't the pope say NO!!!!! Politicalboi Oct 2015 #3
And the rationalizations continue... LostOne4Ever Oct 2015 #4
Couldn't agree more. Francis is a homophobe, and unabashedly so. n/t Betty Karlson Oct 2015 #5
An excellent post - thank you for this. bullwinkle428 Oct 2015 #6

still_one

(92,055 posts)
1. The only group that can tell this person to resign are the Catholics. Why would it be any
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:22 PM
Oct 2015

non-Catholics business in this case

procon

(15,805 posts)
2. "almost certainly involved"???
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:37 PM
Oct 2015

There's no evidence of any wrongdoing here, and to charge someone on nothing more than innuendo and conjecture amounts to an old time witch hunt.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
3. Can't the pope say NO!!!!!
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 03:40 PM
Oct 2015

Can't the pope tell that witch she is WRONG!!!! No, just hug her and tell her you support her.

Let the pope resign. How can people support these groups of pedophiles anyways.

LostOne4Ever

(9,283 posts)
4. And the rationalizations continue...
Fri Oct 2, 2015, 04:42 PM
Oct 2015
After days of speculation, the truth has finally come out: Pope Francis did not hold a private meeting to express his support for Kim Davis's efforts to block gay marriage licenses.

According to an official Vatican statement, Kim Davis was among "several dozen persons" attending a reception at the Vatican embassy, "the pope did not enter into the details of the situation," and "his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support."


[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Except that he did, but his people won't confirm it because it would destroy all the PR he has been trying to build. Those who want to believe that this Pope is a liberal then take his refusal to confirm the meeting and the reason for the meaning as if it were proof of the opposite consequent.[/font]


Moreover, it seems that the pope did not request Kim Davis be invited.

According to press reports, one man was likely responsible for Davis's invitation: Carlo Maria Vigano, a conservative church official who was appointed by Pope Benedict as Vatican ambassador to the United States (formally called the "apostolic nuncio&quot .


[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Note the wording here "seems that the pope" and "was likely responsible." The reason they chose those weasel words is because they can't say any of that for certain. But what we can say for certain is that the pope is opposed to SSM, thinks that gay adoption is discrimination against children, that being transgender is like a nuclear weapon.

Further, we can also say that he was specifically asked about the situation and he stated his support for Kim Davis as a Conscientious objector.

These are facts. Not wishful thinking of the article.[/font]

Vigano was almost certainly involved in inviting Kim Davis to the Vatican embassy reception where she met with Pope Francis, and he may even have acted alone. Either way, he has no business continuing to serve as Francis's official representative to the United States.


[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Again with the weasel words. Again with acting as if speculation was fact. Again with pretending the interview with the pope that happened afterwards never happened. Again with acting as if this contradict Kim Davis's account when it really doesn't.

Apparently, protecting wishful thinking is more important that condemning the WORLD's number one opponent of gay rights...[/font]
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