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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 09:02 AM Mar 2013

Parking lots not trouble-free for gun carry permit holders

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — It was after 2 a.m. when David Aller was thrown out of the Klub Cirok Nightclub & VIP Lounge for fighting. That's when police say the 26-year-old man retrieved a loaded handgun from his car in the club parking lot and returned to threaten patrons.

Aller, who was charged with aggravated assault for the Nov. 11 incident, was also a handgun carry permit holder.

Ever since lawmakers opened serious consideration of a bill to allow permit holders to store firearms in their vehicles — no matter where they are parked — backers have maintained security won't be threatened because gun permit holders are law-abiding citizens and unlikely to commit crimes.

Public records reviewed by AP show, however, that some incidents, like the one at Klub Cirok, have the potential to become violent when guns are drawn by permit holders in parking lots. And club promoter Joe Savage said the bill is misguided.

http://www.tricities.com/news/local/article_0033d896-813e-11e2-861a-001a4bcf6878.html
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Parking lots not trouble-free for gun carry permit holders (Original Post) SecularMotion Mar 2013 OP
TN has about 400,000+ CCWers. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #1
The Aller arrest isn't the only example of parking lot altercations involving handgun carry permit.. Kolesar Mar 2013 #2
No, not the only example. Straw Man Mar 2013 #5
You had to go back to 2009 (four years ago) for your examples. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #8
Wow. You worked on that all day Kolesar Mar 2013 #9
No place is guaranteed trouble free....take no chances. ileus Mar 2013 #3
yeah. We want to make you a victim Kolesar Mar 2013 #4
You do want to deny us the most effective self-defense tool. GreenStormCloud Mar 2013 #7
Maybe we need a law guardian Mar 2013 #6

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
1. TN has about 400,000+ CCWers.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 09:18 AM
Mar 2013

Out of that many, there will be some few that do bad things. But they will be few.

Texas keeps detailed records and publishes them online. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/index.htm

For 2011 Texas had 518,625 people with CHLs. (Concealed Handgun Licenses). Out of those there were only thee (3) convictions for Aggrevated Assault With A Deadly Weapon. For the general population of the state there were 2,765 convictions for the same charge. That shows that we are far more law-abiding than the general public, but we do have a very few bad apples.

For all convictions CHLers had 120 convictions of all listed crimes versus 63,679 convictions for the entire state. Again that is an outstanding record.

There is no reason to believe that the TN experience is signifigantly different than the Texas experience with legal concealed carry.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
2. The Aller arrest isn't the only example of parking lot altercations involving handgun carry permit..
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 09:54 AM
Mar 2013

...holders.

Apparently, you are comfortable living in a gangsterland

The Violence Policy Center has tracked cases where permit holders have been charged with serious crimes in parking lots, including:

Henry Ray Coleman, who was convicted of second-degree murder for the 2009 shooting of an unarmed man outside in an argument over how close their sports utility vehicles were parked to each other in a busy Memphis shopping center. Both men had been drinking.

Frank Graham, a former firefighter convicted of first-degree murder for the 2010 shooting death of his ex-girlfriend in the parking lot of the Memphis hospital where she worked as a nurse.

Troy Whiteside , who has been charged with second-degree murder for fatally shooting of an unarmed Knoxville business rival 13 times in the parking lot of a clothing store. Whiteside's attorneys have said he fired in self-defense.

Straw Man

(6,613 posts)
5. No, not the only example.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 01:55 PM
Mar 2013

You cite three more, for a total of four. With 400,000 permit holders, that means the incident rate is .0001%.

The sky is falling.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
8. You had to go back to 2009 (four years ago) for your examples.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 06:49 PM
Mar 2013

Four examples over four years comes out to about one incident per year from a base of 400K. That is rather thin soup. I am confident that there were more than four DGUs in parking lots during that time.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
3. No place is guaranteed trouble free....take no chances.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 10:07 AM
Mar 2013

Stay safe wherever you may roam.


Ever wonder why other people fight so hard to make you a victim?

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
7. You do want to deny us the most effective self-defense tool.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 05:50 PM
Mar 2013

If you don't want us to be able to defend ourselves then you obviously want us to be victims.

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