Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumHow Tom DeLay and John Dingell nuked post-Columbine gun control efforts
This is a fascinating 'inside baseball' account, regardless if you're pro gun rights or pro gun control. If you're interested in learning why the NRA came out in favor of background checks at gun shows following the Columbine massacre, the article reveals their motives.
In the wake of Columbine most of the republican leadership, in both chambers, was ready to cave on gun control. Specifically, a bill that would have effectively banned gun shows in the United States almost became law. Senate Majority leader Trent Lott and Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert were both on board, along with several other prominent republicans. The story is told from the viewpoint of a republican staffer who worked with DeLay to derail that the process with a big assist from John Dingell.
They almost succeeded.
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In the aftermath of the shooting, Sen. C. Trent Lott Sr., (R.-Miss.), the majority leader, led his other GOP senators, such as Sen. Charles T. Hagel (R.-Neb.) to pass a gun control bill before the Memorial Day recess. It was that a number of formally stalwart supporters of the Second Amendment were piling on.
Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah), a longtime foe of gun control bills, had introduced his Juvenile Crime Bill in Jan. 20, 1999, but it languished until it became the vehicle to exploit the Columbine tragedy.
Lott scheduled the gun show ban legislation in haste. No committee hearings. No mark-ups.
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By May 20, after 10 days of debate, the Senate passed, with Vice President Albert A. Gore Jr., casting the deciding vote for the Gun Show Sale Regulation Amendment, sponsored by Lautenberg. The amendment would define a gun show as an event with 10 vendors with 50 guns for sale, and it would require all participants, including customers, to be registered with completed background checks before any steps towards planning the gun show could begin.
If the provision went into law, the gun show would simply gone away. The most dramatic restriction of gun rights since the Gun Control Act of 1968. It was a political hot potato tossed to the House and the pressure was building to pass the bill before the Memorial Day recess.
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Its a bit of a long read and I didn't want to copy/paste the entire thing here. If you're interested in learning how the political game unfolded, regardless of the source, click the link above.
While watching House of Cards, Kevin Spacey's character Frank Underwood reminded me a lot of Tom DeLay. Reading this article only reinforces that notion.
Pullo
(594 posts)This country would be so much better off today if GWB hadn't been elected.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)the "dramatic" arrival of Gore by limo to the senate so he could cast his vote; the NRA was already planning for his presidential run, and would use that video in the election.
kudzu22
(1,273 posts)are two things you never want to see being made.
P.S. Anyone else think the guy who wrote the article looks just like Ben Affleck?
Pullo
(594 posts)He's not the author. He's is/was a lobbyist who worked under Donald Nickles.
Lobbyist C. Stewart Verdery was the counsel for Sen. Donald L. Nickles (R.-Okla.) helping Nickles and other GOP senators pass gun control legislation after the Columbine massacre. After the House passed its bill with the Dingell amendment, Verdery tried to pressure House Republicans to revive the bill in conference.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)is how would it be possible to conduct background checks on customers to a gun show before the planning for said gun show could begin?
Dr_Scholl
(212 posts)They don't ban something outright, so they make it impossible to follow the law legally and achieve the same result.
Just like the New York SAFE Act
Pullo
(594 posts)friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 4, 2013, 02:21 PM - Edit history (1)
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Not quite true. Colorado is the proof of that.
There are plenty of ways to get around the gun show requirement of background checks of private sales.
Pullo
(594 posts)from what this law would have done had it actually been enacted.
This bill would have required all potential participants to undergo a background check BEFORE even planning said gun show could commence.
Title: Gun Show Sale Regulation Amendment
Vote Smart's Synopsis:
Vote to adopt an amendment establishing gun show regulations.
Highlights:
-Requires background checks of all buyers of guns at gun shows with at least 50 firearms for sale and 10 firearm vendors present that involve or in some way affect interstate commerce -Requires individuals to obtain instant check registration before they can legally plan, organize, promote, or operate a gun show
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That's an impossible requirement to meet and the result would have been a defacto ban on gun shows in the United States. Colorado simply requires a background check on all sales at gun shows in the state, regardless if the seller is a licensed dealer or private individual.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)"Colorado simply requires a background check on all sales at gun shows in the state, regardless if the seller is a licensed dealer or private individual."
The licensed dealers are the only ones who comply 100% with the background check requirement. And this puts them at a disadvantage because the "private seller" can easily (and in most cases lawfully) get around it (as I've outlined above).
The result is you pay $15-20 more when you buy through a dealer because he requires you to get the background check.
This law was a "feel good" measure that came about after the Columbine massacre.
It gave the legislators the appearance of "doing something" when actually they did nothing!
Pullo
(594 posts)Most of the big push for post-Newtown gun control is nothing more than "feel good" legislation like the proposed "assault" weapons ban etc.
As far as Colorado goes, I'm sure their background check law can be avoided with little effort. On that note, a more strict background check requirement is only going to be followed my people who operate withing the law regardless.