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hack89

(39,171 posts)
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:24 AM Jun 2014

Since contollers seem to be counting on the CDC to ride to the rescue, lets see what the CDC says

A lot of discussion on gun violence gets derailed over what the actual facts are. The CDC is held up by many as a unbiased source so here is a synopsis of the latest CDC report. There are facts here to support both sides of the issue.

The gun control debate is certainly worth reopening. But if we’re going to reopen it, let’s not just rethink the politics. Let’s take another look at the facts. Earlier this year, President Obama ordered the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to assess the existing research on gun violence and recommend future studies. That report, prepared by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council, is now complete. Its findings won’t entirely please the Obama administration or the NRA, but all of us should consider them. Here’s a list of the 10 most salient or surprising takeaways.

2. Most indices of crime and gun violence are getting better, not worse. “Overall crime rates have declined in the past decade, and violent crimes, including homicides specifically, have declined in the past 5 years,” the report notes. “Between 2005 and 2010, the percentage of firearm-related violent victimizations remained generally stable.” Meanwhile, “firearm-related death rates for youth ages 15 to 19 declined from 1994 to 2009.” Accidents are down, too: “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

5. Mass shootings aren’t the problem. “The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths,” says the report. “Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” Compare that with the 335,000 gun deaths between 2000 and 2010 alone.

7. Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively. “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year … in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008,” says the report. The three million figure is probably high, “based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys.” But a much lower estimate of 108,000 also seems fishy, “because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.” Furthermore, “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was 'used' by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”


http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_defense_findings_from_a.html
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Since contollers seem to be counting on the CDC to ride to the rescue, lets see what the CDC says (Original Post) hack89 Jun 2014 OP
The problem with you people is you think a small amount of children dying is just a statistic CBGLuthier Jun 2014 #1
Do you feel that way when you have a beer in your hand? hack89 Jun 2014 #2
SHHH Duckhunter935 Jun 2014 #3
Anti-gun extremists never post a thing when it is inner-city minority children being killed Lurks Often Jun 2014 #4

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
1. The problem with you people is you think a small amount of children dying is just a statistic
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:30 AM
Jun 2014

a consideration to be weighed against how awesome those guns feel in your hands. To the SANE people in the world they are DEAD children.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
2. Do you feel that way when you have a beer in your hand?
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:33 AM
Jun 2014

there are many things that kill kids. We are not saying we shouldn't reduce that number but we also notice that your outrage is selective.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
3. SHHH
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:38 AM
Jun 2014

it's really not about the children but they want everyone to think that. They are not able to justify the hypocrisy.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
4. Anti-gun extremists never post a thing when it is inner-city minority children being killed
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 08:49 AM
Jun 2014

on a a regular basis.

So explain why we don't see those posts here, from my view it means the anti-gun extremists either don't care about those inner-city children or they are hypocrites because the inner-city children being killed don't fit the narrative because many of those cities are states with strict gun laws and because the inner-city children are killing each other.

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