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Related: About this forumPolice: Dad shoots, kills man who held gun to teen daughter
"ST. LOUIS, MO (KTVI) An attempted home invasion turned into a murder investigation Tuesday morning. One suspect is dead and another is in critical condition after allegedly holding a gun to a teens head. St. Louis police are releasing chilling details of a late night shooting in south St. Louis that left one person dead, another injured and a neighborhood shaken up.
It all went down at 11:00pm last night on Newport near Neosho in the Bevo Mill neighborhood. Investigators say it all started with a teenaged girl being confronted by two armed men in front of her home. It ended with one of the suspects dead and another hospitalized.
St. Louis police say a 17 year old girl was outside of her home getting something from a car when two armed men confronted her and demanded that she return to her home.
The girl`s father saw the suspects walking his daughter toward the home. That's when police say the teen`s father, a 34 year old man, got his gun and fired several shots at the suspects, hitting both of them. The girl`s mother, also 34, got another gun and fired a round as well, not hitting either suspect."
http://fox2now.com/2014/06/10/one-person-dead-another-at-the-hospital/comment-page-1/
Sounds like Mom needs some more range time. But then again maybe the armed robbers just wanted their TV and this was an over reaction?
And spare me the crap about "how would the police know who the bad guy was", OK? Or show us a case where the cpops shot the good guy by mistake.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)now hundreds(thousands?) have not died in vain.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)allowing dad to get the "money shot"? In all seriousness, glad this worked out and only the bad guys were killed/injured.
Arkansas Granny
(31,513 posts)Is there some question about what took place?
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)If it is ruled the two were engaged in Felony (Kidnapping, Agg Assault, False Imprisonment) and one perpetrator died during the commission the other could be charged with Felony Murder.
Arkansas Granny
(31,513 posts)blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)I've gotta admit I'm conflicted on that one. If anyone but a co-perpetrator dies during the commission of a forcible felony I have no problem in applying the charge. The co-perpetrator, however, is presumably a willing participant in the crime and should they expire during the incident, I regard it as "the cost of doing business". JMHO, of course.
Arkansas Granny
(31,513 posts)for murder and that certainly didn't sound right.
I have to admit to being a little conflicted also. The person who wound up dead had to know that his actions carried a risk.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Take away all the guns and it's a moot point.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)with knives; bludgeons or using superior size? Wow.
DonP
(6,185 posts)We'll wait here for you.
I suggest you start taking the guns away here in Chicago in Englewood and Chatham.
Do keep us posted on how that 2nd amendment repeal petition drive, you and all your little friends are about to start, is going.
ileus
(15,396 posts)If we can ever ban pesky guns there will never be another violent crime on another person...
ever...
beevul
(12,194 posts)But Don, Shannon says that never happens.
Who are we to believe, a paid former Monsanto employed PR flack or our own lying eyes?
tblue37
(65,290 posts)shot, innocent bystanders can get hurt. This time no one else was shot, but one bullet *did* miss the targets and enter a neighbor's home!
http://fox2now.com/2014/06/10/exclusive-father-speaks-about-shooting-man-who-allegedly-put-a-gun-to-his-daughters-head/
The bullets didnt just hit the two men. Another one went all the way across the street, into the home of Jessica Swartz.
I was freaked out. For lack of a better word, yeah, scared, she said. Just laying in bed watching TV getting ready to go to sleep. Then I hear the gunshots and heard glass break, felt debris, jumped to the other side of my bed and waited for it to stop. Then called 911.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Just a few cites to cases where a concealed carry holder shot up bystanders?
I hear all the time about how the cops won't know who the bad guy is if everybody has a gun in their hand and how they'll shoot up the neighborhood, but I never seem to see any stories of that actually happening.
Plenty of New York Cops shooting bystanders, but no civilians. With over 10 million concealed carry holders out there there must be dozens of cases ... or maybe not.
Maybe I just missed those stories.
tblue37
(65,290 posts)but it was a close thing. I am just pointing out that even when the bad guy does get shot, there is still real risks to innocent bystanders.
I must say, the father has nerves of steel and must be an incredibly good shot to take out two armed suspects without hitting his daughter and without allowing the guy with a gun to her head to get off a shot to kill her. I suspect the bullet the went into the neighbor's house was the one fired by the mother.
russ1943
(618 posts)To #6s Although I am glad it worked out *this* time, even when the bad guys get shot, innocent bystanders can get hurt. This time no one else was shot, but one bullet *did* miss the targets and enter a neighbor's home!
DonP #10. Inquires; Can you find any instances where that ever actually happened?
Just a few cites to cases where a concealed carry holder shot up & killed innocent bystanders.
Detroit man enters guilty plea after accidentally killing woman with bullet meant for carjacker. http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2010/07/detroit_man_takes_plea_deal_af.html HOUSTON (FOX 26) - Houston Police confirm it was a customer with a concealed handgun license who accidentally shot and killed a store clerk. The CHL holder was trying to protect Tyrza Smith, 26, from armed robbers, but something went terribly wrong and she was killed. http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/18661869/chl
DonP
(6,185 posts)Still, better than we've heard so far.