the results of which are determined by which organized group can convince the most members to
spam the poll.

Polling about the need for additional regulation without establishing that those polled have any understanding of the existing regulations is a bit meaningless.

Internet or otherwise.

...all about feelings.

If a lack of knowledge disqualified government officials my anarchist dreams would be realized.

before they voted on them.

be more obvious thst you are not?

Fox News talking points spewed in defence of killing machines.....what party is that again?

How is it a Fox talking point if she said it?

And just where did he say he hates the Dem Party leadership?

"We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It"

after being asked if she said it or not.
Hmmm, very strange.

If the system slows down to a crawl every Saturday now because of gun shows, imagine how nonworking it will be when everyone has to submit themselves to buy a box of 22.

You carry a card that show's that you've cleared a background check.

It's good for four or five years, get's renewed?

Screw up and they pull your card.

Not that I like it or that others would stop there.
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We know better than that

Which is the point, just like needing a photo ID to vote.

During business hours, you have to schlep to a State Police barracks, fill out a form, pay $35 bucks, and wait for your new, second state-issued ID.

Why can't it just be your drivers license? Retailers simply scan your license. If you're prohibited, the sale doesn't go through.

This is the fucking Information Age. Why can't this be done?

Excellent!

Of course, my only point was that only one of the four provisions in the poll was barely tolerable.

I'd take the ID thing over the other three suggested controls.

Yes 3.74% (3,516 votes)
NO 95.21% (89,474 votes)
Unsure 1.05% (988 votes)

Sure is one sided

No real progressive (or Progressive or liberal or Liberal or democrat or Democrat) would oppose any one of those reasonable and common-sense suggestions...

Reasonable? Common sense? I'm kind of wondering here. What version of the kool-aid is your tipple, then?

Please take all the arguments, both pro and con, regarding this as regurgitated.

The fact of the matter is that you are on the wrong end of current thought regarding guns in America. You are entitled to your feelings, but that does not sway general opinion or the facts on the ground.

Why is it only on the topic of firearms are the terms progressive and liberal just the opposite of conventional wisdom?

We already have a resident weasel that tells us who is and isn't a "Real Democrat" and who is an official "Ammosexual".

As soon as they make a fool of themselves and get TS'd by Skinner & Co. we'll be sure and let you know the position is open again.

The Gungeon thanks you for applying and for your interest we will hold your application on file.

Since it was on my clipboard. Good news, you're inevitable upcoming word salad response notwithstanding.

From my reading only one tiny faction only barely feels more scared of guns than in the prior year.

nycskip: Good news, progress for progressive gun rights supporters! More support gun rights!

It's one reputable poll, with a margin of error, it could be high it could be low, it could be outside the confidence level (~5% chance) & thus an outlier. I don't dismiss it of course but it needs be corroborated by another reputable poll to belay doubts (I've said this before). If you put your money on just one horse, you're gonna lose the exacta.

So go ahead have your pyrrhic victory party, gun ownership rates have declined since early 1990's (which is corroborated by pew, general social survey (GSS), as well as gallup to some extent).

Can't be blamed for that.

More likely to be valid are responses to questions which, if reported to authorities, would not result in profiling and registration.

No, I'm not paranoid, just observant.

In any event, the majority among us seem to support the second amendment in generally increasing numbers.

And the rate of deaths due to firearms is persistently falling.

Pyrrhic? Hardly.

care for logic or facts.

Notice how these folks are allies of the NRA, Scalia, Lapierre, Ted Nugent is their friend, and their enemies are progressive allies, they are enemies of Bloomberg and Sandy Hook parents. Not to mention facts, statistics and anything intruding upon their narrow second amendment tunnel vision view of the world.

These are not folks I would call "progressives". Progressives are not anti-fact, are not anti-gun control.

Just to give you a flavor of the prevalent lack of logic, read it and weep:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172157489

Now THAT is what "ironic" means. And it also means "massive contradiction".

What next, hearting Ted Nugent?

The message is "We must infringe on the freedom of all in order to protect ourselves from the misdeeds of a few." Feh.

See, we have this ability called "non-Manichaean thinking". I highly recommend it,
and if you work at you, too, can develop the same skills...

folk that refuse to see the contradiction and hypocrisy of gun fun and hating their own party leaders on guns and pretending to love progressivism on all else.....love gun control or love the NRA, you can not have it both ways. And you can not be both a liberal and an NRA and brethren supporter, does not compute.

Sorry, that is the way hypocrisy rolls.

Fortunately, these wannabe political officers tend to run afoul of the real
owners of the site, or simply cease posting when they realize that DUers
don't accept their status as Guardian Of Progressivism...

Democratic party leaders but supporting the NRA, never an answer for the hypocrisy.

Fox News would welcome you folks.

The straw crop must have been good last fall-we're even seeing some here!

And Skinner has made it clear that he does allow pro 2A Dems here to participate.

all leaving would kill the fun faster than a Bushmaster assault rifle.

And by "allowed" you mean more like "tolerated"......for true progressives to gawk at.

I'll even supply the link.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1259

Happy Holidays to you and your family and a great New Year.

And no, not tolerated, allowed, skinner has made that distinction.

real good.

I used to look quite a bit like Willie until my hair turned gray and mostly disappeared completely

Oh, *do* please inform us about those awful people , Fred:

http://tucson.com/news/opinion/mailbag/president-obama-we-must-seek-agreement-on-gun-reforms/article_011e7118-8951-5206-a878-39bfbc9dc89d.html?print=true&cid=print

No fair!

...other claims notwithstanding. Also, the link you provided demonstrates
that you cannot or will not admit that the rates of gun death have dropped in the US.

&quot P)revalent lack of logic", indeed.

Wow.

The lack of logic is at the core of this kind of thinking.

in the military, including a bit of nuclear security activity and I never observed a bomb, tank or artillery piece do anything of its own volition.

So yes, IME they are inanimate.

Yet *we* are the ones accused of promulgating junk science.
Go figure...

Even the NRA doesn't go there (and this is not Sovereign Citizen Underground), so
what's your point?

And why should I give a rats ass what NPR thinks in the first place?