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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:58 AM Mar 2016

Snowden: FBI's claim it can't unlock the San Bernardino iPhone is 'bullshit'

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/09/edward-snowden-fbi-san-bernardino-iphone-bullshit-nsa-apple

NSA whistleblower rubbishes claims that only Apple can unlock killer’s iPhone 5C, indicating FBI has the means itself

Snowden: FBI's claim it can't unlock the San Bernardino iPhone is 'bullshit'
Samuel Gibbs
Wednesday 9 March 2016 06.30 EST

Edward Snowden, the whistleblower whose NSA revelations sparked a debate on mass surveillance, has waded into the arguments over the FBI’s attempt to force Apple to help it unlock the iPhone 5C of one of the San Bernardino shooters.

The FBI says that only Apple can deactivate certain passcode protections on the iPhone, which will allow law enforcement to guess the passcode by using brute-force.

Talking via video link from Moscow to the Common Cause Blueprint for a Great Democracy conference, Snowden said: “The FBI says Apple has the ‘exclusive technical means’ to unlock the phone. Respectfully, that’s bullshit.”

Snowden then went on to tweet his support for an American Civil Liberties Union report saying that the FBI’s claims in the case are fraudulent.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/one-fbis-major-claims-iphone-case-fraudulent
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Snowden: FBI's claim it can't unlock the San Bernardino iPhone is 'bullshit' (Original Post) unhappycamper Mar 2016 OP
I believe I will go with Snowden on this. djean111 Mar 2016 #1
I respect his opinion warrprayer Mar 2016 #2
Hard to be 100% Hydra Mar 2016 #3
I worked as a contractor on and off warrprayer Mar 2016 #4
Snowden may be in a better position to know than most Hydra Mar 2016 #5
I agree 100 percent warrprayer Mar 2016 #9
My brainiac-engineer husband agrees with Snowden too... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Mar 2016 #6
first action of any semi competent forensic investigator... w0nderer Mar 2016 #7
Yep. Conium Mar 2016 #8
Thank you warrprayer Mar 2016 #10
sorry, didn't mean to hurt your brain w0nderer Mar 2016 #11
My brain is o.k. warrprayer Mar 2016 #12
P.S. warrprayer Mar 2016 #13
i hope so too that was back in the 1990's LOL w0nderer Mar 2016 #14
Thanks and glad to hear! warrprayer Mar 2016 #15
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. I believe I will go with Snowden on this.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:05 AM
Mar 2016

There is a feeling of theater surrounding this issue. IMO and all that.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
3. Hard to be 100%
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:21 AM
Mar 2016

But I was shown more than once that the spooks and the military have access to tech 20 years ahead of what we do.

Quantum chips just came out this year, and optical CPUs are projected to only be 2 years out for mass consumption. If they had those in the 90s, just imagine what they have now.

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
4. I worked as a contractor on and off
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:31 AM
Mar 2016

For years.
I know there is truth in what you say.
I feel that Snowden would have been in a position to know some info the public is not privy to, but I can't give real credibility to anything coming through the Putin filter.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
5. Snowden may be in a better position to know than most
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:42 AM
Mar 2016

Which is pretty scary if he is- the whole problem with his releases and comments IMO is that only people directly working for the gov't should be should have access to any of that if we are being serious about national security rather than social control.

And regarding the Russian thing, it's sad when a whistleblower has to run to the other side of the earth into the hands of a monster to be safe from the reach of our (torturing) people. We were supposed to be better than that.

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
9. I agree 100 percent
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:13 PM
Mar 2016

There is no real protection for whistleblowers in the U.S.
We brought the entire situation upon ourselves, which really suprised me with it being a Democratic President.
It seemed like we learned nothing at all from the past.

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
7. first action of any semi competent forensic investigator...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:51 PM
Mar 2016

is to copy and verify the copy(hash it) (even if it's encrypted)

then either
1 optimal (copy the copy, compare hashes and work on the extra copy in read only mode)
2 work on extra copy in read write mode and overwrite if you mess it up


so with desoldering / resoldering one nand it'd take forever but desolder nand from board (after copy)
then solder a fast exchange socket or hook it to a nand emulator (simulates a flash chip) and either if possible run it in ReadOnly or keep flashing the nand emulator every x tries where x is defined as best compromise of delay/tries vs flashtime

we aren't talking an 'at home' attempt here, there is a federal budget available...running through some chips or running an emulator would be pretty cheap compared to many things on national budget

hard work sure!...doable? ...most likely

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heh on edit i just read the aclu and saw they go sorta in the same direction i spoke of above LOL

Conium

(119 posts)
8. Yep.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:21 PM
Mar 2016

I agree that Apple's involvement is unnecessary.

Clone the drive, then use brute force to crack the password. If the 10 password tries did not work, since they cloned it beforehand, they get 10 more tries and so on. Just add a few loops to the cracking program code.

I believe this is a ploy to get criminals to leave incriminating evidence on their phones. Drive erasers will not work on solid state drives either. If there was ever something on the drive, it is still there and can be recovered. Super-computers are exponentially faster than even a few years ago, so it should not take long.

Of course the government will lose the case and everyone will feel super-secure about their phones. LOL.

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
10. Thank you
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:18 PM
Mar 2016

For the tech description, even though it made my brain hurt reading it.
Memories of tearing my hair out working with microprocessors, back in '97 when it took overnight to download a photo on the "web" - I was in electronic tech school (at age 39) at the time...

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
11. sorry, didn't mean to hurt your brain
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:31 PM
Mar 2016

hope it wasn't because it was too stoopid


i remember spending 2 weekends (low rate phone) downloading first or possibly second slackware (way way way back)

i was tech support and electronics enthusiast && my family was in hospital so i needed a diversion

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
12. My brain is o.k.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:41 PM
Mar 2016

I just had to plug it into the cooling pad!
I worked as a contractor at a firm whose clients included Lockheed, TRW (CIA spelled backwards), Hughes Missile, Grumman and generally who's who in the Death Star.

I took a one year shake and bake course, a condensed 2 year curriculum, and found it a real challenge.

Just bought a Panosonic Toughbook C - 30, which for me is on the same level of cool as owning one of the waterproof - dirt proof C.I.A. clandestine transmitters of the Vietnam era.

Know any sick mods for this?

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
14. i hope so too that was back in the 1990's LOL
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:21 PM
Mar 2016

no ideas on cool hacks on the lappy sorry


however i'd say as standard
encrypt hdd, then second encryption inside possibly even third


it's only paranoia if they really aren't after you....check your librarian...or high school?!

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
15. Thanks and glad to hear!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:54 PM
Mar 2016

Radio was my specialty, not computers, but since then the two,are completely intertwined in the communications field. You must know both these days.
Just emailed the computer guy from my 1997 class (was basically the same as Army singintel school, Prez of school was consultant for mil.)
He is alive and well and we made appointment for get together, reminds me of "Expendables" movie!
Laptop is CF 30, iirc.
Thanks for the tip, and I'm sure he will have more to add!

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